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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:25:31 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:27:11 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:28:27 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:29:46 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:30:49 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:32:08 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:33:50 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:52:53 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 6:55:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can relate to this more as dehumization rather than objectification. For a long time I thought of it as the latter, seeing myself as someone whose only value was as a sex vessel. Senarios over my life, stemming even from pre-pre-adulthood kind of gave me that impression of myself. I knew I was intelligent, I knew I was talented, I knew I could view things in a detached detective sort of way to resolve problems. I knew all this.. and yet in my soul I only saw that the thing men wanted from me was sensuality. I learned to mask any talents and muzzle the ease I had in learning new things. I learned to be less than, for survival.

It wasn't until I was older, say.. only in the last 5 yrs or so that I have begun to see it as dehumanizing. When I was younger and hot, it was somewhat of a rush to know that I had some control through desire. As I reached adulthood I found that disconcerting, probably why I chose a man who had complete control over everything I did. It was a bit of a relief to know I was off-limits when men approached me. Even after my divorce I chose men who had similar, though not so extreme traits.

Then when I was alone again I learned the value of not putting myself out there to face that idea that sex was what I am. 12 years went by before I ventured out again and I found things had not changed much. I am constantly amazed that anyone would want an older, heavier woman for sex. Not for a relationship, but for sex. Fortunately for me I am a monogamous sort so temptation was easy to keep at bay until I found the one or 2 who wished more from me. That is until they found something they really wanted.

So now.. it is no longer objectification for me. I am not an object for sex. I have become a thing. Not human. Not desirable in that way. I am a worker who is good at my job. And an idea that he can use me at any time as if I do not have human feelings at all. And in truth... I have suppressed what was anguish into something I can live with. I work. I am good at what I do. And that little detective inside me that helped me along as I grew up now views the two acts, objectifying, dehumanizing as a dangerous road to walk and hopefully they are never put in someones hands who will leave them with that and nothing more.

As always I write this with the disclaimer.. I am a freak. I know it. I know what led me here. I know I am not the norm. What I am is a survivor.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 7:22:32 PM   
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Thx for the links, especially that first one is absolutely awesome. That's SO added to the shopping list.


Yeah, I figured you might like it.

If you search through the various hood gag and funnel hood suppliers, you should be able to track down the supplier that I had in mind, by the way. They do custom work in several materials, and that first one is what made me have a look at their offerings. As I recall, hoods and gags with an eye to access were the bulk of their offerings. Ranging from the strictly practical to the devious. I wouldn't use one of those with Ars due to the careful effort that has gone into dealing with her aversion to oral activities, but for a sub without such an aversion, it can be an excellent way to help the dom forget there's a person in there and just enjoy.

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However, the handle that attaches the various parts gives him enough leverage to actually pull the gag over my chin without opening it, while still being tight enough so that I can't expel it on my own.


I was more concerned with the brush getting pulled in and then stuck, leaving the nose close to the waterline. Especially with hair in the mix, that waterline can move upward quite a bit. It isn't likely to happen, but I would be skeptical enough of such a short brush to test it. Without the girl attached, of course. Ars having "classic" length¹ hair now means I pay more attention to all the places it can end up than I used to. From the pictures, I'm not concerned.

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¹ For guys like me that have/had no idea what classic means: it's just past the buttocks.



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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 7:31:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Kana sez: Ask and ye shall receive-thanks to Ishy for the original inspiration re the brush


Ishy no doubt feels horribly guilty now.

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Someone's been a good slave-gonna have lots of cummies tonight!


Indeed, a vast improvement.

And thanks for sharing on the public side of the boards. It makes an interesting and illustrating addition to the thread.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 8:20:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

As I recall, hoods and gags with an eye to access were the bulk of their offerings. Ranging from the strictly practical to the devious. I wouldn't use one of those with Ars due to the careful effort that has gone into dealing with her aversion to oral activities, but for a sub without such an aversion, it can be an excellent way to help the dom forget there's a person in there and just enjoy.



I'll have to look a little further then. I'm a total gear slut, so I love getting references to sites with high quality stuff.

This is the only hood we have at the moment. I like it because it works with all the gags we've got and still gives him easy access AND because it's got an opening for my hair. You can't tell from that pic, but it's only slightly shorter than Ars' so full head hoods without an opening have tons and tons of hair getting in the way.
I'd like to get a couple full sensory deprivation hoods at some point... but like you (and most everybody else I suspect) it's going to take lottery winnings to get all the gear I want at once...




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I was more concerned with the brush getting pulled in and then stuck, leaving the nose close to the waterline. Especially with hair in the mix, that waterline can move upward quite a bit.


Oh I see. Well I don't know about the Fetish Fantasy line, but the Scott Paul gear does have a quick release. It would take less then a second to unhook the gag from the toilet brush attachment, in case it got stuck. It's even easily doable one-handed... which is handy switching attachments cause it means he's got a hand free to hold my head still... which seems to be a problem with me with certain of the attachments.



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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:22:32 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:25:52 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:26:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

I'll have to look a little further then. I'm a total gear slut, so I love getting references to sites with high quality stuff.


Well, okay, I couldn't resist having a look around... unicorn hood, vagina mask, basic hood and a freaking swiss army knife, to link directly to a few from a German site, just not the one I had in mind. The unicorn hood combines with a ball glove which is in the related products heading. Now all they need is a matching feeldo and foot gloves to make for some absurd sevensomes, in a good way.

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You can't tell from that pic, but it's only slightly shorter than Ars' so full head hoods without an opening have tons and tons of hair getting in the way.


Me like.

How is it for wear and tear on the hair?

Having, on one occasion, spent close to a week working on a tangle (don't ask), I'm sort of wary of risking another.

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I'd like to get a couple full sensory deprivation hoods at some point... but like you (and most everybody else I suspect) it's going to take lottery winnings to get all the gear I want at once...


Yeah. In my case, some of the gear isn't even legal for private ownership.

A friend is getting set up for lost wax metal casting of the right sort now, so if I can get a permit for a silver plating bath, there may be some interesting masks in my future. I must admit I probably have too many thumbs to get a good result, but I'm still looking forward to playing with it. Might be nice to try out some etching and engraving. Of course, it would more for show than for use, as silver won't hold up as well as chrome (which a private individual can't get a permit for here).

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It's even easily doable one-handed... which is handy switching attachments cause it means he's got a hand free to hold my head still... which seems to be a problem with me with certain of the attachments.


Yeah, I can imagine. Sometimes you ladies can get downright squirmy.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:26:26 PM   
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Ishy no doubt feels horribly guilty now.



I have no concept of what that emotion feels like... especially not when it comes to sadism...

The closest I ever come is to regret, and I sure as fuck don't regret this after seeing the pictures.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:44:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

unicorn hood, vagina mask, basic hood and a freaking swiss army knife




Ooooooh you're my new favorite poster Aswad.

I know my hubby isn't going to care for the pussy face, but I bet he'll like the last two, and I don't see him currently having a use for the first one.
He's very selective when it comes to the visuals of hoods. They need to be feminine and classy looking, because... well I can't see them anyways, and he's got to look at them all day.

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How is it for wear and tear on the hair?

Having, on one occasion, spent close to a week working on a tangle (don't ask), I'm sort of wary of risking another.



the opening is large enough to comfortable fit my fairly bushy pony tail through. The opening is also completely closed off from the back zipper, so hair doesn't get stuck there.
So after the hood is on, it's got the same risk at tangling as a normal ponytail does.
Putting it on is easier with two people, one holding the hair, one putting the hood in place. Which to me is sorta disappointing, because he can't "force" it on me, but most other people would probably not care about that.
Another thing I like about it is that it's actually washable, which helps a lot for some types of play.

This is where we got ours:
http://fetishwear.net/hood.html
They're very affordable, and the quality is good. I haven't fully put it through some of the more demanding uses it will get with us (sleeping in it and so on) but so far it's holding up very well for normal play use. Ours is in PVC, and it's surprisingly tight and claustrophobic considering it's basically just a plastic covered fabric.

The only other place I've found that has got ponytail feed throughs is:
http://www.rubber55.co.uk/contents/en-uk/p81.html
If you ever find another one, please do let me know... it's SO much easier with the hair, and custom hoods are SO expensive...

As far as the monster tangles go, try having it wet and then almost drowning it with conditioner, and combing it out with a fine comb with the conditioner still in, starting low and working your way up. It's the only way I can deal with completely brushing out my hair when it gets messed up, seeing that I don't have a husband who is nice enough to help me with it... even though HE's the one who usually does the messing up.

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A friend is getting set up for lost wax metal casting of the right sort now, so if I can get a permit for a silver plating bath, there may be some interesting masks in my future. I must admit I probably have too many thumbs to get a good result, but I'm still looking forward to playing with it. Might be nice to try out some etching and engraving. Of course, it would more for show than for use, as silver won't hold up as well as chrome (which a private individual can't get a permit for here).



That sounds absolutely fabulous, I'd love to see pics of your work when you're to that point.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 9:48:52 PM   
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arent you concerned about bacteria?


A reasonably maintained toilet has very few notable bacteria you wouldn't already have in you. The attachment doesn't seem to be leading fluids into the mouth, either. Also, the human digestive tract is surprisingly resillient to moderate amounts of bacteria, which may be because it's supposed to be the able to deal with the stuff our ancestors ate under less than hygienic conditions. Starting in the mouth, we have a huge amount of tissue dedicated to early detection of harmful bacteria and rapid mobilization of the immune system in response. Also, there is a well established native flora in the digestive tract that will use up most of the available nutrients and leave behind waste products that are not easy for a foreign organism to live with. Finally, if all these defenses fail, the resulting problem is usually short lived and generally easy to treat.

Toilets have few nutrients to support bacterial growth, and the flushing action is designed to clean them effectively. The stuff that looks dirty is actually a mineral deposit which can be dissolved easily with any acidic substance (sparkling water, vinegar, soda, lemon juice, vitamin C). It may be porous enough, but it still doesn't have enough nutrient content for a substantial population of bacteria. For the most part, it is a cleaner area- in terms of microbes- than almost any part of the house one might clean, so long as it is used regularly and cleaned occasionally.

It's a fair question, but as far as I know, there's no reason to worry about it.

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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 10:23:21 PM   
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RE: Dehumanisation - 8/17/2012 10:46:10 PM   
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I have no concept of what that emotion feels like... especially not when it comes to sadism...
The closest I ever come is to regret, and I sure as fuck don't regret this after seeing the pictures.


-sigh-

How come all the fun females are either taken or looking for romance?

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Ooooooh you're my new favorite poster Aswad.


Awww.... that warms my cryopump.

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I know my hubby isn't going to care for the pussy face, but I bet he'll like the last two, and I don't see him currently having a use for the first one.


Yeah, the first one isn't going to appeal to everyone. The dommes and gay doms might want to check it out, though, and the polys.

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He's very selective when it comes to the visuals of hoods. They need to be feminine and classy looking, because... well I can't see them anyways, and he's got to look at them all day.


So, no troll masks, then?

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the opening is large enough to comfortable fit my fairly bushy pony tail through. The opening is also completely closed off from the back zipper, so hair doesn't get stuck there. So after the hood is on, it's got the same risk at tangling as a normal ponytail does.


That's encouraging. Ars normally wears a bun, but I'm thinking a braid should work with that.

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Which to me is sorta disappointing, because he can't "force" it on me, but most other people would probably not care about that.


I would. I love forcing. Aside from the dehumanizing uses, part of the attraction of a hood for me is precisely that it allows me to easily force the girl to take it (whatever "it" is) and without having the possibility of biting. Not that I would do that when biting is actually a risk, but it's nice to take away the option. Being able to resist and not doing it is markedly different from being unable to resist.

But in Ars' case, I would care more about the hair, so it's nice to know of a model that doesn't put it at additional risk. Thanks for the link.

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Another thing I like about it is that it's actually washable, which helps a lot for some types of play.


Hell, yes.

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I haven't fully put it through some of the more demanding uses it will get with us (sleeping in it and so on) but so far it's holding up very well for normal play use. Ours is in PVC, and it's surprisingly tight and claustrophobic considering it's basically just a plastic covered fabric.


At the price, I'm thinking I'll have to check this one out.

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If you ever find another one, please do let me know... it's SO much easier with the hair, and custom hoods are SO expensive...


I shall do my best to keep it in mind.

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As far as the monster tangles go, try having it wet and then almost drowning it with conditioner, and combing it out with a fine comb with the conditioner still in, starting low and working your way up.


Yeah, let's just say that is what we do for a monster tangle, while this one was a Godzilla tangle.

Identifying the key hairs in the individual subtangles and pulling out one hair at a time with a zero friction pin ended up being a significant part of the job. The store with the dentistry elastics were overjoyed to sell out their entire stock to keep untangled sections from retangling.

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It's the only way I can deal with completely brushing out my hair when it gets messed up, seeing that I don't have a husband who is nice enough to help me with it... even though HE's the one who usually does the messing up.


In all fairness, I wouldn't have spent that much time if it hadn't been a question of whether to untangle it or shave everything off.

But, yeah, I do help out a little with the hair care. Mostly minor things like using the tangleteezer to do the full length strokes for her, though occasionally I find it pleasant to take care of the washing and such (I used to have 18", which is rather long for a guy around these parts, and my mother was a hairdresser, so I picked up a couple of things along the way). Sometimes, it can be nice to take social grooming a bit literally.

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That sounds absolutely fabulous, I'd love to see pics of your work when you're to that point.


If it turns out, you'll definitely see some pics on here.

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