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Minefield - 8/17/2012 8:04:31 AM   
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Not sure if there is a question here. Not really sure why I am posting this either. I just know that I want read what others have to say about their own experiences in navigating the minefields.

A few days ago I awoke rather aroused. I cuddled up to Alandra who was sleeping rather soundly and started to rub up against her like a dog in heat. Petting her and enjoying the softness of her body. She started to awaken all tense and even stressed. I hit a minefield. Alandra was abused as a kid and my actions triggered the memories and trauma of those past events. He awaken her in as a child very much like that and even to this day Alandra cocooons herself into blankets when she sleeps so you just can't rub up against her. I rarely ever softly carass her. It's much more rough and gripping of her body. Being sensual is not something we normally do.

Alandra was quick to share what happen was happening to her. Letting me know that I walked into the mindfield. Ike many times before, we cuddled and reassured each that things were ok. Not alot of talk. Just brought her back to the now and away from the past. Yes it would be great if these things didn't happen. It would be great if we could remove these triggers and go through life with these experiences. But, at the same time, these experience bring us closer together. They go off and we deal with it together. The guilt, the angry, the pain all those emotions. I am not her therapist, nor do I try to be. In fact, Alandra has never felt the need to go to therapy. It might be because she herself confronted and stopped this from happening to her long before anyone knew it was happening. In fact, I was the first person Alandra told years after it stopped. She took her power back, but you just don't erase or remove that mindfield.

I suppose many have their own mindfields. Their is no right way to handle them that is for everyone. But a few things I have learned as a person that is walking in another's mindfield. It's never about you. It's never anyone's fault except the abuser. A person without power is truly a weak and fragile thing. You can't help by fixing it. Because it can't be fixed. Nor can you give them their power back they have to take their power back themselves. It's hard, but instead of being a wedge to intimacy, it can be something that binds you closer together. I admirer my Alandra her strength inspires me.

Incidentally, we did have sex....

The mindfield doesn't stop us...it just changes the path we walk to get where we want to go. If there is any message here its that.


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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 8:09:42 AM   
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Would it be inappropriate to say that I absolutly adore you KoM...even more than that though, I am sincerely envious of your girls.

Ya'll have something that many never find in a lifetime...and the fact that you did, leaves a warm feeling.



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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 8:13:24 AM   
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I am not sure I have the ability really add anything at the moment. Several of my family members are dealing with some pretty huge minefields at the moment........in the same vein.

I think we all have something. It's how we deal with it, and yes, taking our power back......that's the key.

Thank you for sharing. If I can add something I feel is constructive, later on, I will. If not.....just thank you.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 8:39:08 AM   
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Yep. I call these things tripwires, as in we all have tripwires in our head and if they get hit, things go boom.

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You can't help by fixing it. Because it can't be fixed. Nor can you give them their power back they have to take their power back themselves. It's hard, but instead of being a wedge to intimacy, it can be something that binds you closer together.


True words, and ones that should be heard.

Hell, ones that many, many people need engraved on their foreheads

What I've found over the years is that while I can't fix it, and I can't really help her fix it, I can stand by her, be supportive, kind, considerate and understanding. I can be a rock she can cling too as she sorts through the vortex of emotions that come with healing trauma. And when she can't find the strength, I can lend her my support, my faith in her, my courage, and help carry her through other areas of life so she can deal with healing what needs to be healed.

And let's be super clear here-even after the wounds heal, they often leave scars. Scars that for some last a lifetime.
And that's OK.

I know a gal who can't be slapped. As in can't. Period. Hit her in the face and she just locks up, shuts down, goes to a bad bad place in her head.
She's done lots of work. She's over the anger, over the hurt, achieved forgiveness.
Not just that but she spends much of her time helping other abuse victims, turning the worst thing that ever happened to her into a path to help others heal. which is victory over the abuse and the abuser. I admire her courage, the willingness she's had to face her inner darkness's and walk through them to get better.

But she still can't get slapped.
And ya know what?
For me, it was no big deal. Just don't slap her.

Didn't hurt us none.


Purely BTW, there has been some good, real, deep shit on the forums lately. Not the usual trivial surface crap. You folk rock.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 9:41:14 AM   
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My mother hit a trigger Wednesday and I am running a gamut of emotions. I don't mind my family not talking about stuff, but get really pissed off when they do and use SELECTIVE MEMORY.

I've been considering a nice therapeutic beating from a casual play partner but don't know him well enough to be comfortable potentially exposing him to a minefield. Fortunately, he's not available today. I would have disclosed that I am emotionally fragile and it's possible that I might cry (although that's never happened before) and let him make the decision to engage or not.

I used to self-medicate with food. Receiving a beating is ever so much better. The physical pain replaces the emotional pain with happy hormones and afterwards I feel clean and renewed.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 9:58:39 AM   
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I loved your OP, KoM, and yes, I do have minefields.

The first one that came up between the Mister and I was about loading the dishwasher, of all things. Long story short, after I left my marriage, it took me about a year to be able to load my dishwasher without crying. Sounds silly, but it's true.

So one night, about a year into the relationship, I was loading Mister's dishwasher. He came in and rearranged some things in it. I stuttered a bit, feeling nervous about it. He grinned and jokingly said, "You'd think by now you'd know how to load a dishwasher." This triggered an anxiety attack for me. I literally stopped breathing. I didn't want to make a scene about it, especially since his daughter was home and she doesn't need my issues in her life. So I quickly walked into the bathroom, closed the door, and fell apart.

I knew what this came from. I knew it had nothing to do with him at all, and I was reacting to my ex husband and his years of verbal abuse because the spoons were spooning or because a glass still had specs on it after the dishwasher had run. I knew this. The Mister knocked on the door and asked if I was OK and I said yes, but I was dealing with stuff and can we talk about it when we go to bed?

So at bed time he had me kneeling on the floor and he sat at the edge of his bed and I explained to him what happened. I told him I'm not going to apologize for being abused, but I *am* sorry that it affects him, too. He scooped me up in his arms, rocked me while I cried, and said he didn't want me loading his dishwasher anymore, until I felt comfortable doing so. And I smiled while he kissed my tears away, and said "I have dishwasher trauma!" to which he laughed.

There are other landmines, too, some of them much more involved than loading a dishwasher. They come about rarely, but the last one - a few days after last Christmas - was very big and we both had a bad knee-jerk reaction to it. Apparently my reaction touched one of *his* landmines and we exploded. It took us about a week to talk it through, and months to fully recover from, but our relationship became much, much stronger after that.

We've never done safe words before, but because of that last occurrence, he put a safe word in place for me, in case something like that comes up again, when I can't find words to express myself and flip out, instead. This will immediately tell him an internal landmine has exploded and I need help, pronto. At that point, whatever is going on will stop and he'll help me find my grounding again so we can talk through it.

For the most part, I'm fully aware of my landmine territory and when one's been stepped on, and at the time I know I'm not reacting to him in the present, but to something in the past. I'm able to tell him this, and we move through it very quickly. But that one explosion opened our eyes and allowed us to put tools in place so we can deal with big ones in a constructive manner going forward.

By the way, I'm able to load the dishwasher without any issues, now. Even if he rearranges it.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 10:00:09 AM   
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To Knight's post... what else is there to say to that but "Yes!"

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ORIGINAL: Kana
Yep. I call these things tripwires, as in we all have tripwires in our head and if they get hit, things go boom.

Well, not me of course. I am the only human on the face of the planet with no internal hangups, no weird spots in his psychology, no wires crossed somewhere in there. Well... OK... perhaps Carol should not have used the word "divorce" in a sentence that one time... BOOM! It may be the only time in our entire time together that she saw the full, unmuted version of what I call "dominance" and it scared the crap out of her. I felt bad afterwards.

quote:

What I've found over the years is that while I can't fix it, and I can't really help her fix it, I can stand by her, be supportive, kind, considerate and understanding. I can be a rock she can cling too as she sorts through the vortex of emotions that come with healing trauma. And when she can't find the strength, I can lend her my support, my faith in her, my courage, and help carry her through other areas of life so she can deal with healing what needs to be healed.

A fucking MEN! At the base, I am the rock that Carol can stand on when there is nowhere else to stand. And when she does not have the strength or courage herself then I can loan her some of mine. And because I'd like to avoid D/s overtones on that... she does the same for me. If she did not, she would not be my wife. And... because this is an opportunity to lose yet a few more true points... I think there have been 4 times now that I have had insufficient strength/courage to own her. It was her who was the rock and the strength and the hope & optimism & determination in those moments.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 10:08:37 AM   
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I agree with Kana - I actually really like the description of "triggers" being like tripwires in the brain. I think a lot of people have tripwires, it's an unfortunate (or fortunate?) by-product of life and experience. Life can be a pretty bumpy ride.

This is also another reason why communication is so important - so these raw bits can come to surface and adjustments can be made.
Goes without saying that Alandra is lucky to have someone so understanding.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 10:26:44 AM   
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i have a few 'triggers'

don't touch my ears. don't even jest about it. don't think that anything you can do is going to get where you can touch them. you just can't.

don't come up behind me and slide your hands under my clothes.

don't pin me down under the bed clothes.

don't back me into a corner.

don't tickle me, ever!

my ex nearly ended up with a knife in his stomach the first time he slid his hands under my t-shirt from behind as i was washing up. 'but it's only me' was his answer. he thought that made it all alright. he continued to say that like i should just get over it. he also thought it was funny to pin me under the quilt. at 6'1 and 14.5st there was nothing i could do to get him off. he'd have my arms pinned at my side and sit on my chest. he laughed like a fucking idiot the time his dad backed me into their coat closet while trying to pinch my knees and wouldn't back off. i was getting into a very bad space trying not to make a scene. again all i got was 'it's my dad, he's not going to hurt you'. he would insist in using his hands on me in such a way that it tickled. evenually my skin became so over sensitive that he couldn't touch me lightly at all.

in alot of ways he was very understanding about my abuse, but it just wouldn't sink into his head that i was reacting to the situation, and not the person. it doesn't matter that it's only them. it matters that it is there and reacting to the original course.

it's most certainly why i never trusted with myself with him as far as me being submissive is concerned. i could never put myself in a position with him where i wasn't in control.

i think he thought that if he did something often enough i'd get over it. there is no getting over it, only management.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 10:48:14 AM   
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thinking on this reminded me of my friend's daughter, who is six years old. she considers me to be an aunty to her and we have a very good relationship. i have mid back length hair that 'niece' loves to play with while standing behind me. best friend was watching 'niece' one day and said 'what are you doing?' niece' replied 'i want all of aunties hair back here, but i'm trying to be careful coz she doesn't like her ears being touched'.

i've only ever told her once to please not touch my ears. she never questioned why, just said ok. to date she has never touched them once. if only everyone could just accept things like that.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 12:17:23 PM   
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How wonderful that Alandra can speak so freely AND understands herself well enough to say what's happening!

I have an array of triggers (found new ones just in the past month ) and I know what sets me off. Most of mine are verbal, or memory-related, so it's tricky for other people and mostly I can suppress my reactions. But do not EVER pull at my clothes without telling me what you are doing first, and clearing it with me. Just say, "Hon, your skirt is hanging crooked" and let me fix it. Don't pull my hair. (caress my hair, run your hands through it, but NO PULLING). Never ever try to restrict my breathing. Sure, you can try any of those things. I will happily drive you to the ED afterward. Angry Hib = Dangerous Hib.

Because we all have our oddness, and so much of that is based in trauma, I am very respectful of other people's triggers. I don't just "get over it", I sure don't expect other people to. It doesn't matter how irrational the trigger is, either, I just don't go there. Boundaries, I have them.

(re tickling: I am not ticklish. But I do enjoy shrieking and giggling.)

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 1:13:49 PM   
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Understanding ours and others minefields/triggers/issues is only ever a strength.
I've said forever that anyone over the age of 6 already has "issues"

Dealing with them , on the other hand, is often another matter entirely.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 1:27:37 PM   
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Very important topic, well done.

We all have things to deal with. Mine are not physical, except if anyone tries to choke me, I freak the fuck out.

My minefields are more of the emotional type; if anyone behaves in a way that reminds me of being treated badly, I have a major issue.

I had gone on two dates with someone last summer and things were going welll; we actually had a scene which was very VERY unusual for me to even do that before I get to know you. But we had slamming chemistry on the first date and I broke my own rule and it was awesome.

The next date was good and then when we planned for a third, he (as a Dom) came over and I was all dressed up, totally slut worthy, I had really prepared to look amazing, and he says, OMG you look fantastic, but where is your collar?

I said, what do you mean? He said I wanted you to wear a collar, don't you have one? I said, sure, and went to get it. He put it on me and I literally could not breathe. I was not sure immediately why I was so upset, but I said, listen, I really cannot wear this collar. He said why? I said, well, we are having fun, but I don't feel comfortable enough to wear this and let's just forget that and get into things.

He started screaming at me about not obeying a simple request and what was my problem, etc. It was then that I realized what it was and I told him that if he must know, my ex used to try to choke me and anything around my neck brings me back there, so please understand.

Instead of being a mature man and relishing and valuing what we did have at that early juncture, he literally stomped around yelling that I am obviously not over my ex, and how could he compete with that, blah blah blah.

I tried ONE more attempt at reasoning with him, but then his behavior further reminded me of my ex and I told him to leave.

I think I was honest and he handled things very badly and perhaps he had a minefield himself about this, but since he would not discuss himself, it was a moot point.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 1:42:00 PM   
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KoM,

I really enjoyed reading your original post. It shows me how lucky everyone in your family is.

I would agree that we all have minefields, and although I'm unwilling to share mine here.. I will say that it takes a special kind of understanding and respect to navigate such a dangerous place.

Thank you for sharing.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 2:00:30 PM   
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You know, I haven't been in the scene very long, only since December of last year, but I have learned something important about myself in regards to spanking and my trigger being tripped. I come from having had an early (and later) background of physical abuse, during which I used to disassociate so I could endure the physical, mental and emotional pain.

During my first private spank (which was only my second spank), part way through it became painful enough (would probably have only been moderate pain for others), that my body, of its own accord, and I suddenly went into shock and I couldn't breath and was paralyzed. I didn't know what hit me! The spanker (thank Gawd) realized I was in distress, stopped and comforted me physically and verbally. I was then suddenly able to breathe, and started sobbing like a babe, but couldn't seem to get enough breath long and fast enough, so I did a good bit of heavy breathing and sobbing for while until I stabilized.

I was amazed by the entire affair, as there were NO trauma thoughts or mental pictures from the past that went through me to trigger it. I assume it was a totally visceral body memory that got locked in me, and finally awakened.

It took a while to understand and process what happened and why. I realized this might likely re-occur in similar circumstances and that it was not a negative, but a release and healing. I have since learned, and tell others that play with me, if it does occur, that all they have to do is, as soon as possible, to gently caress, knead or tickle the part of me that felt the pain was too much, and while they do that, I deep breathe and mentally soothe myself. I find the moment the pleasure touch replaces the pain touch that triggered the event, I get so engrossed with how wonderful it feels, the pain and internal shock immediately vanishes.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 3:01:06 PM   
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I'm always amazed that I don't have many tripwires despite being kidnapped, assaulted, raped, alcoholic parents and sooo much more. It seems we find tripwires though completely by accident and neither one of us, especially me, doesn't even realize it's a tripwire until all is said and done. A couple of months ago I had one when we were at a pond just enjoying the day out and he wanted to see if I would jump in if he told me to. Now, normally I would have done so because I don't think I've ever really said no to him but that day, I became angry, walked off, did not talk to him for half the way home and I'm sitting there in my head trying to figure out why I did that. It's still something that sticks in my brain and makes me feel completely foolish and stupid. He said it was ok and he wasn't mad at me and it wasn't that big a deal to him. But of course, I always make more of it than he does because I hate having that kind of stuff in my head and trying to figure out how to get rid of it.


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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 3:05:21 PM   
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Like many of you have said, that strength maturity and patience is massively admirable. That applies to both the OP and your partner. Given a similar situation I hope I handle it as well. Being in a car with hothead drivers is not okay for me. Roadragers and folks quick to anger get shut out automatically. I walked three miles on I66 to make that point a few years ago.

And I know we all carry things from our pasts. Maybe "fixed" isn't possible. Or resolution might be a better fit. But I hope of is. That comes only from within ourselves. (im not looking for someone to make me all better) Depends on who and what to be sure.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 3:10:19 PM   
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I'm not looking for him to fix me. I have to fix me. I have no desire to live with tripwires so when I find one I try to figure out a way to fix it on my own so it is no longer problematic for me in the future. I want to be able to live a pure, clean life without anyone having to worry about and where I don't have to actually concentrate on not allowing that tripwire to happen again. I like to get rid of anything that is not useful in my life.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 3:28:59 PM   
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quote:

The next date was good and then when we planned for a third...


Well, on the plus side, he revealed his irrationality on the third date.

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RE: Minefield - 8/17/2012 3:36:03 PM   
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Hmm I don't have emotional triggers really,
But there are three paths that will lead to
anger, I know enough about myself that I
can see straight away if I'm walking down
one, or being lead down one and I will do
two things...
Firstly I will stop interacting in whatever is
causing it and just shut it out.
If that doesn't work I will remove myself
from the situation.

Voicing my discomfort seems like the best
solution but it's so hard because for me it's
like admitting I can't control myself with
some things or can't handle every situation,
Saying that is huge for me, even though it
sounds easy.
It's like admitting defeat...
Or maybe, theres so few things that can get
me out of my normal state, I'm just not
comfortable with it...
I duno.

I always say communication is the key, but
It's hard sometimes... Even for me.

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