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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 12:16:42 AM   
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I believe that's all down to the couple. My parents are 73 and their sex life is still intact. Maybe not like when they were younger, but age doesn't have to slow or stop sex.
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, by the time I'm 65, the sex probably won't be there anymore anyway, will it? So I'll probably be left with what I have now already.



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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 12:24:38 AM   
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I really feel for you and can appreciate from where you're coming but here's another vote (from an even older guy than yourself!) for hanging in there. You sound like a sensitive guy and I promise you that the guilt you'll feel for leaving your wife and kids will hamper any fun you imagine yourself having in the future. You'll never forgive yourself.
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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 4:41:19 AM   
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OP, you have a very similar, but very different, situation than I do.  I'm married too.  I'm female, but submissive, and my husband does not really understand any of this, either.  That said, he's not my soul mate, he does not communicate with me in ways that I can relate to, he does not seem to understand who I am as a person apart from the D/s.   We don't have a great vanilla foundation, no shared activities, and not a lot of general good will to go around.  To be quite honest, right about now?  I wish that I had YOUR life...

Now, please don't be offended.  In an ideal world, we would all have every piece of what we need wrapped up into one person.  Ideally, that one person would be who you fall in love with and have as a partner.  It seldom works out that way.  But, by your own admission, this woman, your best friend and soul mate of 28 years has about 98% of those pieces.  While I know sex is important, and that you feel frustrated and cheated in that department, take a long hard look at what life without your spouse is going to look like.  No, not the sexual encounters, the freedom, the scenes you are fantasizing about.  While those may, or may not, happen- how much of your LIFE will they account for?  After that hour or two of sexual tension is relived, what is your life going to look like?

Think of everything that you and your best friend do together.  Every day.  Now, imagine that GONE.  I'm not even going to discuss the guilt that you will have to deal with, or the resentment from this woman who has given you the best years of her life, or the resentment that your children will likely have towards you.  No, look at YOUR life.  Every single bit of it.  The things you do together?  Gone.  Nights at home watching TV together?  Gone.  Having someone there if your medical problems return?  GONE.  A friend that is obviously reliable, loyal, and trustworthy?  Gone.  All the routines that you and she have built together over 28 years together?  Gone. Those neatly folded piles of laundry, your favorite meals prepared because she knows that you love them, vacations, hell even trips together to the grocery store?  Nope, nada, all gone...

Imagine an empty house.  An empty, lonely life, all in pursuit of sex.  While there is something to be said for being  alone, rather than being in the wrong relationship, what you have described is a loving and nurturing marriage to someone that you obviously care very deeply about.  Throwing that away in pursuit of what?  The long and arduous task of trying to find another version of your wife, but one with kink?   Do you have any idea how long that sort of thing can take?   Sometimes it happens fast, sometimes it can take YEARS, and sometimes it does not happen at all.  The sad part is that, by the time you find it (if you ever do)- you may not be where you are at today in terms of neediness.  Will it really have been worth what you put your family through?  Will it really be worth what you put YOURSELF through?   Are you prepared for the possibility that you will live a lonely life in pursuit of kinky relationship sex that you may never find?  Are you ready to destroy everything you know, everything you have built together?  Intimacy is about a lot more than just sex.  You have a woman (right now) who knows you inside and out- and loves you either because (lol or in spite of) everything you are as a man.  How awesome is that?   Is kneeling and being whipped (or whatever your kink is) worth losing that? 

You are not a young man.  As was mentioned earlier, the sex will lose emphasis over time.  You can find sexual outlets that don't include cheating.  The key, though, is to talk to your wife.  It sounds like she really loves you.  Maybe she would consent to an open marriage of some kind.  I don't know her, but I do know that if she loves you, she's going to want you to be happy.  If not an open marriage, is she is not okay with a pro-domme?  And if not?  Maybe rent some videos, read some porn, use your imagination and have at it.  I know it's not an ideal solution; but from your description, you don't seem to realize exactly how much what you ALREADY have is worth. 

Best of luck to you.

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Edited because having a soul mate sounded so much better than having a soul mat....darn typos!


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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 5:29:00 AM   
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Athena, that was - without a doubt - a BRILLIANT post.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 8:11:30 AM   
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Fabulous, SSA.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 8:12:37 AM   
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OOPS! sorry, got the nick wrong (apologies, SSA!!)

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 8:44:13 AM   
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Athena, that was - without a doubt - a BRILLIANT post.


Agreed.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 8:53:53 AM   
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It was a very nice post from SSA, except that the OP's issue with his wife is NOT all about sex. It's about intimacy too. It's about not getting a hug when he needs it. It's about this woman he's been married to for 28 years can't say, "I love you."

I understand she has long standing issues based on some horrible events in her past that she has yet to come to terms with. I get that she's been a victim. But, you know, by not working on her own issues, she's made her husband the victim too, b/c he's had to live with her.

And yes, he did choose her. But if all of us were stuck with our first or even second choices for a spouse, what a very unhappy world it would be.

My take on the OP is that he's an honorable man who has taken his marriage commitment and family responsibilities quite seriously. But everyone and I do mean everyone deserves to be with someone capable of saying I love you and giving them a big fat hug when they need one.

In my mind, she has ejected herself long ago from being relationship material by her inability to be able to do this.

I'm sure many will not agree with me -- this is my own opinion.

(TY Greedy, I corrected myself.)



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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 9:07:05 AM   
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~FR~

the post I was so thrilled about was NOT by athena. it was SlipSlidingAway.

just to set the record straight.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 10:57:20 AM   
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I understood that it was not all about intimacy, but I was going with what the OP said here:

"I honestly think that I could have lived with a "vanilla sex only" compromise, but our life together has been difficult on that front. Since we had kids, she's not about sex at all, vanilla or otherwise. We've done therapy, doctors, etc., and there has been no change at all. On the other hand, in every other way, she is absolutely my soul mate. We are best friends, crack each other up, and have raised two great kids, the youngest of whom is two years away from leaving the house."

I agree, there is a lot more to intimacy than sex.  But, the thing is, if he identifies his wife of 30 years as his soul mate in "every other way"...well, to me?  That's something you seldom get once in a lifetime, let alone twice.  All I said was for him to take a serious look at his life without her in it and not in a fantasy sense.  The real nitty-gritty day to day existence of life without the best friend and soul mate that he has live with for nearly 30 years. 

Yes, I know he says she has issues, that either have not been addressed, alleviated or have not yet been properly identified.  I also read about her having thyroid problems.  If that is not taken care of she's not getting fair representation (I remember what it was like before I was diagnosed, not fun!).  And, he said they have done therapy and doctors, so saying she has not tried does not seem to be the case.    Still, in spite of all of those issues, the OP is the one who calls her his soul mate and best friend.  It doesn't really sound like he's stuck with a bad choice, it rather sounds like he's still very much in love (and, more surprising after 28 years in LIKE) with his wife.  That's saying a heck of a lot in this day and age. 

If she had ejected herself from the relationship, I doubt that the OP would identify her in such strong positive terminology.  She might still be his best friend, but soul mate in and of itself seems to infer a type of intimacy (albeit non-sexual).  I just don't think, from what I saw him write, that I'd write the marriage off just yet.

I am not saying that the marriage can, or even should, be saved.  I am saying that the intimacy he seeks, on a sexual level, may never be part of his life- whether he leaves her or not.  And, there are a LOT of positives still in what he has with his wife; at least enough that he should take a really long, hard look at that cost analysis he was looking for.  While he knows what he has to lose, he's weighing it against a vision that may in no way be reality based.  It's an awful lot to gamble away...

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 11:03:43 AM   
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Most of my life, I've chosen to not do things for the sake of other people. I am just not down with the "everyone deserves to be happy no matter what" notion. We don't live in isolation. Everything we do affects the people around us. I can't buy my own happiness if the cost is someone else's misery.





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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 11:08:19 AM   
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I love you, Hibbie. we should be old people home roomies when the time comes...

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 11:15:00 AM   
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I approve of that plan, Greeds!

It's a tough issue, and I am not going to sit here and say that I live some magically unselfish life, because I do NOT. I've caused my share of misery through my own deliberate actions. I wouldn't change those decisions, either. I just can't fathom disrupting an entire family for a crapshoot. I am watching my faux-nephew get messed up due to his parents being utterly self centered careerists. We can't always have the things we want, no matter what the cost.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 11:15:30 AM   
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It's something that I have been wrestling with myself.  In an ideal world, everyone would deserve to be happy.  But, truth is, people and human interactions are way too complicated for that to happen consistently.  While I do think people should give a lot more thought to relationships before they make a commitment, obviously (at least in this case) the problem has been 30 years in the making. 

One could argue that the OP has had 30 years of frustration.  Or, one could argue that the OP has had 30 years of living and sharing his life with his soul mate.  Obviously, the truth lies somewhere between those two statements.  However, if he was honest in his description of what he feels for his wife, it seems he values much of what they have shared.

I believe in honoring commitments when they can be honored.  I believe in family.  I believe that nothing is perfect.  I believe that trying is more important than succeeding.  Which, I realize all sounds great-- until you are faced with a choice that rattles all of those things.  There are relationships that can't, or even shouldn't, be saved.  However, I think far too often, people walk away without wanting to do the work involved to fix things that can be fixed. 


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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 4:13:06 PM   
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Some real good discussion and avice for the OP to mull over. I will not repeat any of it, though some seems worth repetition.

I will add ; You are selling your house. Downsizing. Because the children are on their own now.

By the way, congratulations.

My advice is ; Buy your new home a thousand miles away from her 'Mother'. And make sure there is NOT a spare room for guests.

For politics sake, you could say you want better weather.

Edit : Gimme and 'A'!

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 4:46:26 PM   
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I love you, Hibbie. we should be old people home roomies when the time comes...


As a complete aside - I and a bunch of friends have been thinking of exactly that. Private home, bunch of friends (those who are partnered, those who are single - it doesn't matter), pooling their money for some grand mansion in the sticks somewhere. A lot of oldies' money pooled means the possibility of a really quality pad in a really quality area. And we pool skills, too: I can do the repairs, electrics, plumbing and building, etc. Other friends can create furnishings; others have the required motor licenses to drive lorries and coaches. Others still have nurtured the required contacts to get rather naughty and somewhat illegal leisure materials, and/or know how to grow them. An oldies' hippy commune. Excellent idea. *That's* an agreeable way of approaching one's checking-out time.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 5:07:48 PM   
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An oldies' hippy commune. Excellent idea. *That's* an agreeable way of approaching one's checking-out time.



That, dear sir, is an understatement of such monumental gravity I struggle to quantify it. Genius, is too small a word for that

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 5:16:52 PM   
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Love it Peon! What a glorious plan for old age. Before I go bending our friends ears, have u addressed how the right of ownership would pass on .... when u know .... one of the oldies "pass on"


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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 5:32:13 PM   
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Love it Peon! What a glorious plan for old age. Before I go bending our friends ears, have u addressed how the right of ownership would pass on .... when u know .... one of the oldies "pass on"





Nup. To be honest, I don't feel near enough to that age to be that concerned about such details. ;-) I'm sure, though, that though such things would need sorting out, they'd *get* sorted out. A bunch of intelligent and wise old minds - it must be possible.

The general idea is based on the assumption that a) we'd all want to live our lives as idiosyncratically (even eccentrically) as we're used to living them - and will have the space and freedom to do so (in our separate living quarters in the 'mansion') - but that b) we'll *also* have our friends nearby. Best of both possible worlds.

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RE: My Dilemma - 8/22/2012 6:19:34 PM   
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We've had that plan loosely in place for a long time, actually. Location uncertain. I goback and forth over the notion of communal living, really I'm thinking about a compound.



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