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kalikshama -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 8:18:15 AM)

A red flag for me is when a Dom asks for my YIM or AIM in his first email or does other things to attempt to create Insta Intimacy such as using terms of endearment right off the bat.

I rarely respond to these men, but did this morning to the "neurosurgeon" who exchanged a few emails with me but then interestingly disappeared after I said I was willing to chat about neuroplasticity [8|]




IrishMist -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 8:28:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

A red flag for me is when a Dom asks for my YIM or AIM in his first email or does other things to attempt to create Insta Intimacy such as using terms of endearment right off the bat.

I rarely respond to these men, but did this morning to the "neurosurgeon" who exchanged a few emails with me but then interestingly disappeared after I said I was willing to chat about neuroplasticity [8|]

LMAO
thats classic




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 10:53:00 AM)

It has been a while since I've been interested in meeting others, so I was trying to think back to my 'Red Flag' list, and I guess I came to the conclusion that I don't trust in the concept of red flags. Honestly, the only problems I've encountered in the past have been from individuals who didn't seem to exhibit any red flags. They were charming, well liked, respected individuals. Now, I don't trust myself to be able to weed out the abusive, controlling sociopath . For some reason I seem to attract the dysfunctional. Since I'm the common denominator, I figure there's something wrong with me. I guess that makes ME the one exhibiting the red flags.

I'm not saying that I haven't had healthy relationships, and I'm still great friends with most of those I've been in any sort of relationship with. There's just been a couple really bad experiences, and I've had a lot of trouble since then finding the desire to bring anyone else into my 'inner circle' of close friends and family.

Now, I'm my own red flag, and until the urge to withdraw and isolate any time someone tries to get close to me - is under control - I don't trust my own judgement enough to even pretend to have the ability to judge the potential red flags of another.

WinD




sexyred1 -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 10:55:08 AM)

Wow, that is really honest of you and something to think about for all of us.




IrishMist -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 11:52:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Wow, that is really honest of you and something to think about for all of us.

I second that.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 12:56:27 PM)

Using FR:

I don't really have any set list of redflags other than I am looking for certain things that bug me. Like, the wanting to establish instant intimacy by calling me maam or mistress or any of that crap.

I look for evidence they are attached, no matter what they say, b/c we aren't going there unless I know wifey is good with it.

I look for how they think and how they communicate, as in, can they?

The rest is all up for grabs to me. I like interesting people, and I don't start out with preconceived notions as to what that means. A university prof might be boring as all hell. A factory worked might keep be entranced. What the hell do I know? Until we talk (and I don't mean cmail or instance message, I mean talk, at least on the phone) I don't know squat.

I'm into establishing connections, rapport, a synergy. Two people have it or they don't.

I prefer meeting people for real as opposed to online. Too many game players on the other side like to waste people's time. At this point, if you like my profile, I tell people to check out my profile and get back to me with a topic. If they want to meet me, we'll talk about a munch.

Here's a shocker: I don't do coy.

(Well okay, unless we are talking lambykins. But he calls me Goddesssssss.)





tj444 -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 1:30:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

It has been a while since I've been interested in meeting others, so I was trying to think back to my 'Red Flag' list, and I guess I came to the conclusion that I don't trust in the concept of red flags. Honestly, the only problems I've encountered in the past have been from individuals who didn't seem to exhibit any red flags. They were charming, well liked, respected individuals. Now, I don't trust myself to be able to weed out the abusive, controlling sociopath . For some reason I seem to attract the dysfunctional. Since I'm the common denominator, I figure there's something wrong with me. I guess that makes ME the one exhibiting the red flags.


I think you are being too hard on yourself.. nutbars that are good at hiding that they are nutbars are charming, and go out of their way to be likeable.. jmo, but those would be red flags to me.. how many times do people that know serial killers say they were charming, likeable, funny, etc and that they never would have suspected that person as a crazed serial killer.. that is exactly how they get people to trust them.. You just have not been able to recognize that someone being a little too charming (that is the red flag imo), etc is doing it for a reason and people like that usually want something.. they are con artists.. I am not saying you shouldnt be cautious, just dont be so hard on yourself, those people you have had problems with have done that same thing to other people, I would bet on that..




JeffBC -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 1:35:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Wow, that is really honest of you and something to think about for all of us.

I'll pile on and third that. In addition, I thought it was amazingly introspective.




DeviantlyD -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/19/2012 3:54:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RaspberryLemon

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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I went on a "date" with my Master where we went up a mountain to watch the transit of Venus... We had a lot of fun; at one point we were climbing around on this rocky slope and I nearly broke my leg, blood everywhere, visible bone, hurt like hell and if it weren't for him having experience with identifying and treating traumatic injuries, I would have ended up in the ER. Except for (and despite) injuring myself, I had a great time and wouldn't have regretted it or considered it a disaster even if I had ended up in the hospital

Ok. I have to ask.

Visible bone?
Blood everywhere?
And you did NOT go the hospital?
Yes. Sounds bad, but it was not broken and he was able to treat it to clean it out, stop the bleeding and stabilize the area. He gave me the choice of whether or not I wanted to get stitches (told me it would heal faster but that it would still heal without them) and I opted out. I did go to the doctor the next day to get checked out and pick up a prescription for antibiotics to prevent infection, but that was all that was necessary at that point. It healed up great, we just had to take care of the wound while it healed and had to be gentle with the area for a while.



He stopped the blood, from a wound that exposed the bone, (that deep, arteries would have been involved and that isn't something that is just going to stop by applying pressure for a minute or two, not to mention muscle tissue that would have been torn), he was able to clean it out, stabilize it, somehow knowing it would heal well without stitches. Uh huh.




isabelsheppard -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/23/2012 8:55:28 PM)

For me a red flag (and something I hear a LOT) is "my last sub/slave moved out of the country so we had to end it".

To me this means a) there was no last sub/slave, b) it just didn't work out and you don't have the cajones to say so, c) it ended terribly and you don't want me to contact her, or d) you just told me the truth and I won't believe you because it's too cliche.

Anyone else hear this as much as I do?




chemeli -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/23/2012 9:39:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444

you are a dude, for me some things are different (since I am female).. you get "Overly compliant, refusal to state an opinion when asked" and I get guys that "avoid answering direct questions and change the subject".. I find that very frustrating, since i am trying to determine if they are a good fit to me or not, if they avoid answering half or a significant number of my questions then how can i do that??? what are they hiding?? and that usually happens well before getting to the first date/meet part..

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It happens....just before the sexual, bra size questions comes up. I mean, yes, it's important, but after i get to know the important part, which is the *person* i'm talking to. Breasts are just breasts!! Penises are penises! If my physic is the only thing they're interested in....it's adios.




tj444 -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/23/2012 10:31:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chemeli

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ORIGINAL: tj444
you are a dude, for me some things are different (since I am female).. you get "Overly compliant, refusal to state an opinion when asked" and I get guys that "avoid answering direct questions and change the subject".. I find that very frustrating, since i am trying to determine if they are a good fit to me or not, if they avoid answering half or a significant number of my questions then how can i do that??? what are they hiding?? and that usually happens well before getting to the first date/meet part..



It happens....just before the sexual, bra size questions comes up. I mean, yes, it's important, but after i get to know the important part, which is the *person* i'm talking to. Breasts are just breasts!! Penises are penises! If my physic is the only thing they're interested in....it's adios.

actually, for me penises arent just penises.. size does matter with that one for me.. not the way most guys think tho.. since i have been hurt by a guy with a big one, I have a size limit! anyone bigger than my maximum limit, I tell them no thanks and to keep looking to find a girl that appreciates what he has.. I dont want to be hurt again! So for me, that question gets asked fairly early..




ARIES83 -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/24/2012 12:29:18 AM)





UllrsIshtar -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/24/2012 12:53:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Honestly, the only problems I've encountered in the past have been from individuals who didn't seem to exhibit any red flags. They were charming, well liked, respected individuals. Now, I don't trust myself to be able to weed out the abusive, controlling sociopath.



Same here. It's the guys that I thought I could trust the most from their behaviors online and during initial meetings that turned out to be the least trustworthy. I finally gave up on trying to find a guy who hits all the checkboxes for trustworthiness, honor, and decency and just set my goals on having a short term fling with the first guy I met who was as crazy as I am, without paying attention to whether or not he seemed like a "good" guy for me.

That landed me a husband... so I'm not sure if I just got lucky or accidentally stumbled into how to find guys actually compatible with me. I do know that if I'm ever single again I'm not basing my search criteria on the same red flags I used to have. They've brought me nothing but trouble, and if I would have stuck to them, I wouldn't ever have met my husband, because he ticked off about half of them.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/24/2012 1:41:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: isabelsheppard

For me a red flag (and something I hear a LOT) is "my last sub/slave moved out of the country so we had to end it".

To me this means a) there was no last sub/slave, b) it just didn't work out and you don't have the cajones to say so, c) it ended terribly and you don't want me to contact her, or d) you just told me the truth and I won't believe you because it's too cliche.

Anyone else hear this as much as I do?



Yep, anybody who has been involved with me says it... Poor bastards.




LadyPact -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/25/2012 6:43:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The topic on the culture of victim-hood discussion over on the General BDSM section got me thinking. There are some things that, to me, indicate a huge amount of trouble and have me walking carefully away from a submissive. I thought I'd toss out what gives me that kind of uneasy walk away reflex and ask what others see as an indication to vacate the vicinity.

Overly compliant, refusal to state an opinion when asked. Face it, no matter how submissive, a person has preferences. Expecting a dominant to be able to read minds is a sure fire recipe for problems. I once had dinner with a person that kept saying "what ever you want" when asked about preferences for a restaurant. You would think that would be a simple thing. And taking someone with a violent allergy to peanuts to a Thai restaurant, they never mentioned an allergy, was a total disaster. Any date that ends in a visit to an Emergency Room constitutes a disaster.

I will never figure out why some people tie up strange issues about who picks the restaurant. If nobody cares where we go, I'll pick but most of the time I honestly don't care. My standard answer: "It doesn't matter to Me. I'm allergic to onions but I can get chicken darn near anywhere." That's enough info not to take Me to anyplace overly exotic before I've investigated the menu. For most restaurants that are commonly known, I've got a good idea of what I can eat and what I can't. That's part of the responsibility for yourself when you know you have a food allergy.


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I have no limits. Well, sorry, I DO have limits. And, I need to know where yours are to know if we are compatible for any sort of physical interaction. I may have some dark fantasies that I never plan to act on. But, what I am willing to actually do with a person includes some limits I impose on myself.

I pretty much discussed this in detail on the thread that IrishMist sprung from this one. Yep. If someone tells Me they have no limits, I'm not interested.


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I have needs my significant other isn't filling and I'm secretly looking for someone to fulfill them. Nope, not going there. If everyone isn't on board and comfortable with the situation, it is staying platonic.
Couldn't agree with you more on this one.

Some additions of My own........

Insta-Anythings
That's instant leather, instant poly, instant sub, or instant D. No good can come from this.

Various reasons for not being willing to attend lifestyle events.
To extend what CP said above, that's those who are over zealous in their concern about being outed, the 'all lifestyle people are <insert complaint here>' issues, and related topics. You don't have to be the type who plays at public events, but if you can't go to a restaurant to a munch, there's a problem somewhere.

People who have no investment in their education regarding BDSM.
I'm a RACK player. I expect bottoms to have enough concern for their own safety that they go about acquiring the knowledge they need about the types of play they that interest them. No, I don't want to mold you into what I want, have you be an empty vessel who is just waiting for My Dominance to come along to teach you everything. I see it as fantasy crap and there it definitely sets off warning bells to Me.





sunshinemiss -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/25/2012 7:15:00 AM)

I just want to respond to this:
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Various reasons for not being willing to attend lifestyle events.
To extend what CP said above, that's those who are over zealous in their concern about being outed, the 'all lifestyle people are <insert complaint here>' issues, and related topics. You don't have to be the type who plays at public events, but if you can't go to a restaurant to a munch, there's a problem somewhere.


Honestly, LadyPact, I have zero interest in going to a munch here. All the people are half my age, and there is an awful lot of incestuous drama. I went to one. That was PAHLENTY. No thanks. They are perfectly fine people, but I have nothing in common with them. When I'm in the States (or other places) with people my own age, I'm delighted to go. For the most part, though, I would rather read a good book and drink a cup of tea at home.




LadyPact -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/25/2012 8:07:09 AM)

Delighted to go in other locations is still willing to go, sunny. You're not brandishing the "all lifestyle people are <fill in the blank> attitude. There really is a difference.

As an aside, do you really think incestuous is the best word for kink groups where most people find dating and/or sexual partners within the group, even when the last partner from the group didn't work out? I've heard other people use the term for those situations where it seems like everybody within the group has been with everybody else at one time or another, but in locations like yours and Mine there may not be a ton of kinky folks locally that can be found except within the group. Might make for interesting conversation.




GreedyTop -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/25/2012 8:14:38 AM)

LadyP?? does this put me outta teh running to be insta-wax/needle-bottom for you??? *cries*




LadyPact -> RE: Red Flag attitudes... (8/25/2012 8:16:59 AM)

No, because you I can just drag to the munch with Me. [;)]




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