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Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 9:46:20 PM

masterjon84

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Hello all, first time poster here. I have been involved in bdsm for about 6 years now, and have enjoyed it a lot. I was apprenticed to a master for nearly a year before I set out to find my own submissive, and have had much success. Until recently, I was strictly involved in realtime bdsm but I have just made the switch to online primarily. I asked a number of online dominants how to best make this transition and thought I would be fine. However, my training sessions seem to be very repetitive, since I am used to actually being there physically with my sub. I use a combination of digital cameras and webcams during my training sessions and I use various exercises and tasks to train my sub. I know that each master is different and many of you may not agree with my techniques, but the training techniques I currently use include:
-bladder and orgasm control
-self spanking/flogging
-writing degrading/humiliating things on their body
-anal/vaginal/oral insertions, including licking/smearing the object that was just inserted across their face/body
-name calling
-forcing my sub to hold various positions for various lengths of time. an example of some position I currently use include holding a ball against the wall using just their nose, on all fours with their head against the floor, etc.
-forcing my sub to act like a dog, which includes walking on all fours, wearing a collar, eating out of a dish, fetching objects using just their mouth, etc.
-having my sub photograph their most intimate moments, including when they go to the bathroom or change their tampon
-making them do certain tasks or objectives such as take pictures of themselves flashing in public places, doing certain acts, etc.
-controlling what my sub wears and eats during the day
There are probably a few training techniques I forgot to list, but these are the bulk of them. My question to the community is are there any training techniques that I don't use that I could be implementing into my sessions with my subs? I am open to any new ideas, myself and my sub really don't have any limits, so dont be afraid to get creative/kinky. Thanks in advance for any advice you may be able to give me.

-Master Jon

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 10:28:49 PM

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quote:

an example of some position I currently use include holding a ball against the wall using just their nose, on all fours with their head against the floor, etc.

I do yoga and don't see how this is physically possible.

< Message edited by theRose4U -- 6/10/2006 10:50:52 PM >

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 10:31:03 PM

masterjon84

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The comma in the sentence meant a break, i.e. those were two seperate poses.
Pose #1 - Ball against wall with their nose
Pose #2 - On all fours with head against floor.
I thought I made that clear with the etc., sorry for any confusion.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 10:40:31 PM

theRose4U

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Personally I think that this is the posting of the same help me punish my girl online thread that keeps getting recycled every few days but heck I'll bite.
If you've actually been mentored and actually had a sub the whole online only thing should have already gelled in your mind as pointless. You can't discipline them effectlively, the sensations are lost in translation and even training leaves too many opportunities for confusion once they dump a cyber dom and move on to real life.
I understand in some situations there are relationships that develop on the net that will not practically translate to real life but fully online is an accident waiting to happen because it's almost impossible for someone to translate these experiences into something practical to build a life on.
Too many threads you see my cyber dom changed handles, is ignoring me, I just got email he died, his wife is a figment of my imagination and I never had his phone number to call and find out the real story.
Personally I see this list as an invitation for wank fodder.
Ohhh baby I'm flogging you now...move your butt on cam so I can tape it for my friends. ICK

I seem to have misplaced my change...anyone change a dollar?

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 10:41:30 PM

juliaoceania

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quote:

ORIGINAL: masterjon84

The comma in the sentence meant a break, i.e. those were two seperate poses.
Pose #1 - Ball against wall with their nose
Pose #2 - On all fours with head against floor.
I thought I made that clear with the etc., sorry for any confusion.

It still sounds like nothing I have ever seen before. I wonder if you understand that because you are not in the room with the sub that you cannot gauge her level of discomfort, or if she is in subspace. IMO it isnt safe, but then again I guess you could call me a killjoy in that I think that Masters should be able to determine how the sub is doing and if she needs to stop for either emotional or physical reasons. Unless you are there you can't tell. Just an opinion

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 10:58:57 PM

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If you're "training" some long distance stranger to flash in public and take photos, I would advise you to also "train" her how to find a good attorney because she's going to be arrested.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just too old to see the romance in WebCam D/s.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:01:17 PM

perverseangelic

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I'm curious as to what prompted you to switch from realtime to online. Most people I know make the switch the other way.

I think that I'm just too much of a sensualist, because I honestly can't get my brain around choosing to transition from a tactile, person to person form of interaction, to a more remote one.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:05:38 PM

masterjon84

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I don't want to sound rude here, because I am a newcomer to this forum, but the responses I have recieved so far are the exact reason I left the last online forum I belonged to. Every response I get has been negative, in some regard, either the person not getting the training techniques I use, saying how they don't like online play, or questioning the legality of it. I'd rather get no responses than have people respond negatively to my post, there is no reason to respond if you are just going to downplay what I enjoy doing or try to put a negative spin on it. I love realtime bdsm, I had a realtime 24/7 slave for roughly 18 months. I am active in the local bdsm scene. The point is that we all enjoy different things, I am happen to enjoy online bdsm that includes webcam and digital cam play. If you are not into it, that is fine, but please don't try to rain on my parade here. If you don't have any advice that directly pertains to the question I asked, please don't respond. Thanks.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:09:16 PM

MstrTiger

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quote:

ORIGINAL: theRose4U

Personally I think that this is the posting of the same help me punish my girl online thread that keeps getting recycled every few days but heck I'll bite.
If you've actually been mentored and actually had a sub the whole online only thing should have already gelled in your mind as pointless. You can't discipline them effectlively, the sensations are lost in translation and even training leaves too many opportunities for confusion once they dump a cyber dom and move on to real life.
I understand in some situations there are relationships that develop on the net that will not practically translate to real life but fully online is an accident waiting to happen because it's almost impossible for someone to translate these experiences into something practical to build a life on.
Too many threads you see my cyber dom changed handles, is ignoring me, I just got email he died, his wife is a figment of my imagination and I never had his phone number to call and find out the real story.
Personally I see this list as an invitation for wank fodder.
Ohhh baby I'm flogging you now...move your butt on cam so I can tape it for my friends. ICK

I seem to have misplaced my change...anyone change a dollar?

I think that that what you said is a little harsh? are you upset about the fact that me made you look stupid because of your first pointless post on this thread, frankly I have never seen anything on the boards her quite as rude as what you have just wrote.

He came here looking for some practical advice and not criticism from some baseless petty self opinionated people, you might not like or agree with what he does and you clearly think that your way is better though that does not give you the right to make judgments and poison the air with your random and totally pointless self glorifying criticism.

He asked a simple question requesting simple practical advice he did not post here just to give you a reason to bitch and tell the world why you think you are so much better than him, if you don’t like a question someone as asks here on the boards or you don’t agree with how someone expresses their sexuality then that is fine though I will ask you this, why do you feel the need to go out of your way to criticize them because of it?

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:11:07 PM

perverseangelic

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Sorry, I should have thrown a disclaimer in there. Namely, that I have nothing against online play, if both parties invovled are enjoying themselves.

I really was -honestly- expressing my inablity to understand the switch from realtime to online, when most go the other way, and honestly asking you prefered one above the other for any reason.

Normally I'm more careful in my wording, I'm sorry that I didn't pay attention this time.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:13:53 PM

MySweetSubmssive

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I'd like to second this question (respectfully). It seems counter-intuitive to go from the flesh (sighing with pleasure) to a more distanced medium that will always leave you wishing it were juicier. I'm curious about the reason.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:22:02 PM

MstrTiger

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He is a young guy, he has made 3 posts he appears new to the boards, can you not have the basic common decency to answer his question rather than questioning his motives if you want to ask him personal questions then don’t you think the place to do that is via a personal message and not by expecting him to give you his life story in a public forum?

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:23:23 PM

CrappyDom

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tigr,

Sorry but she is right, moving from the real world to cyber stinks to high heaven. Of course he could have a reason but who cares?

I am not one to cast aspersions on others kink but reading through what he is "training" (right up there with fucking collars of protection in my book) her to do? The poor girl needs someone to set her straight, the guy is using her to get his rocks off, pure and simple and most here don't want to stand in line for the gang bang, go ahead if you want to though.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:26:47 PM

perverseangelic

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I think that the nice thing about message boards is that conversations can cover a bunch of different topics in one thread. I think it's more appropriate to continue the thought here, where others can benifit from it, rather than several of us run off and e-mail the poor gentleman.

~shrug~ I'm not criticizing him, far from it, but I like these boards because I'm able to be exposed to a variety of individuals with a variety of motivations. This kind of thread -is- unique, because for the most part when someone starts one they are invovled in online play only, and haven't/have no desire to move to realtime. It's a rarety to see the other way.

Again, I appologize because the text in my first post came accross as holier than thou and insulting. It wasn't intended to be that way. Completely truthfully, if I ask, it's because I want information, not because I have some hidden agenda. I'm also usually fairly good about not hijacking threads, but this -has- piqued my interest.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:36:51 PM

MstrTiger

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

tigr,

Sorry but she is right, moving from the real world to cyber stinks to high heaven. Of course he could have a reason but who cares?

I am not one to cast aspersions on others kink but reading through what he is "training" (right up there with fucking collars of protection in my book) her to do? The poor girl needs someone to set her straight, the guy is using her to get his rocks off, pure and simple and most here don't want to stand in line for the gang bang, go ahead if you want to though.

Perhaps she is using him to get her rocks off, even online relationships work both ways. Why don’t you make the world a better place by taking him to one side and giving him a good taking to about pandering to the whims of online slaves if that is what you think someone should do with his girl.

He came here asking for advice regarding training so beating him up on account of his lack of training is hardly a sensible point to make since that it is apparent that he is perfectly aware of the fact that he requires help with the subject given that he asked the question in the first place.

They clearly are both consenting to the form of play they are engaging in, if she did not likeit she would simply turn her cam off, and the fact that you don’t like it is no reason for them to stop what they are doing.

< Message edited by MstrTiger -- 6/10/2006 11:43:43 PM >

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:48:55 PM

masterjon84

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Wow, never thought my simple question would start this kind of debate....well, let me first say thank you to MstrTiger, what you said really hit the nail on the head, as far as the point I was trying to make. I'm just looking for some advice, not to be judged. As for why I switched, it doesn't really matter and is really none of anybody's business. And as for crappydom, yes, she does get my rocks off, but like MstrTiger stated, it's a two-way street. We both (my sub and I) derive a lot of pleasure from what we do online. Me imposing my will on her is what she enjoys. I enjoy it, she enjoys it, everybody's happy. I understand that what I practice isn't the norm within the BDSM community, and that's fine by me, and it should be fine by you as well. All I wanted was some advice from people who hopefully enjoy the same lifestlye I do, not to be judged and questioned. I'm honestly sorry I posted this question, it will probably be the last I post on this site.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/10/2006 11:57:24 PM

Brosco

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quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

I think that the nice thing about message boards is that conversations can cover a bunch of different topics in one thread. I think it's more appropriate to continue the thought here, where others can benifit from it, rather than several of us run off and e-mail the poor gentleman.

~shrug~ I'm not criticizing him, far from it, but I like these boards because I'm able to be exposed to a variety of individuals with a variety of motivations. This kind of thread -is- unique, because for the most part when someone starts one they are invovled in online play only, and haven't/have no desire to move to realtime. It's a rarety to see the other way.

Again, I appologize because the text in my first post came accross as holier than thou and insulting. It wasn't intended to be that way. Completely truthfully, if I ask, it's because I want information, not because I have some hidden agenda. I'm also usually fairly good about not hijacking threads, but this -has- piqued my interest.

I don't see a need for you to apologise - all you did was ask a question about something you didn't understand - perhaps some others could learn by that example rather than attacking someone because of their misconeceptions.

Rather than hijack this thread with my opinions of your question, I will start another.

btw, I agree wholeheartedly with the posts of Mstr Tiger in this thread.

Brosco

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 12:24:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: masterjon84

I don't want to sound rude here, because I am a newcomer to this forum, but the responses I have recieved so far are the exact reason I left the last online forum I belonged to. Every response I get has been negative, in some regard, either the person not getting the training techniques I use, saying how they don't like online play, or questioning the legality of it.

While I certianly have no issue with people pursuing their own kink with consenting adults, I do think you should re-read what you wrote here...

If you are receiving nothing but negative responses to your query on more than one online forum...well, maybe that's an indication that maybe you should consider that all those people might have a valid point.

Of course, I suppose it's perfectly possible that we all got together, and decided to say these things just to be mean to a total stranger.

Food for thought?

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 1:26:47 AM

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Somehow I see this level of distant control to also be deprivation on both sides. The Dom and sub being removed from the fulll pleasure of it.
I am curious if there are other real life reasons why this interaction is continued at a distance?
Would you be willing to discuss the full aspects of this online situation? It interests me in an intellectual/emotional aspect.
Do you prefer the online to real physical time? So many interesting aspects to this, that I do not indulge in, but am genuinely intersted in as to motives, rewards of it.
I would not attack or belittle any responses.

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RE: Online Training With Webcam/Digital Camera - 6/11/2006 1:56:38 AM

Brosco

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kedikat

Somehow I see this level of distant control to also be deprivation on both sides. The Dom and sub being removed from the fulll pleasure of it.
I am curious if there are other real life reasons why this interaction is continued at a distance?
Would you be willing to discuss the full aspects of this online situation? It interests me in an intellectual/emotional aspect.
Do you prefer the online to real physical time? So many interesting aspects to this, that I do not indulge in, but am genuinely intersted in as to motives, rewards of it.
I would not attack or belittle any responses.

I obviously cannot answer for mjon, but I have started a new thread to try to explain my reasons for such a move. Please feel free to dig as deep as you wish.

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