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Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 4:32:26 PM   
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A Lubbock County, Texas, judge is asking for a tax increase to hire deputies for the inevitable civil war he believes would follow President Obama's re-election.

The way he puts it, Judge Tom Head wants to prepare for the "worst", which to him means "civil unrest, civil disobedience" and possible "civil war", according to a report from Fox 34 Lubbock.

Judge Tom Head and Commissioner Mark Heinrich told the station this week that a 1.7 cent tax increase for the next fiscal year was necessary to prepare for many contingencies, including Obama's re-election. He also mentioned to the station that the county needs a pay increase is needed for the district attorney's office and more funds to pay for more sheriff's office deputies.

"He's going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the (United Nations), and what is going to happen when that happens?," Head asked the station during a Monday interview. "I'm thinking the worst. Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe. And we're not just talking a few riots here and demonstrations, we're talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy."

Head also seems to fear the retaliation of such civil unrest.

"Now what's going to happen if we do that, if the public decides to do that? He's going to send in U.N. troops. I don't want 'em in Lubbock County. OK. So I'm going to stand in front of their armored personnel carrier and say 'you're not coming in here'.

"And the sheriff, I've already asked him, I said 'you gonna back me' he said, 'yeah, I'll back you'. Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there. I want trained, equipped, seasoned veteran officers to back me."

The station reports that the tax hike will provide an additional $832,433 coupled with $2 million in cuts to make the numbers work.

Source: San Francisco Chronicle


A new civil war--oh my. And to think we fought the last one to hold on to people like this. What were we thinking?


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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 4:42:50 PM   
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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 4:43:37 PM   
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"He's going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the (United Nations),


What kind of country is it that elects people like this as public officials ? Left or right wing, to have someone like this in office speaking of open revolt, is just beyond the pale.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 4:47:55 PM   
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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 5:31:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		With the VP telling African-Americans that the GOP will put them back in chains there is potitial for violence from some set of nuts no matter who wins.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 5:37:30 PM   
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With the VP telling African-Americans that the GOP will put them back in chains there is potitial for violence from some set of nuts no matter who wins.



FFS not another one unable to understand plain English.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 6:27:04 PM   
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Look at Romney pandering:

Romney Gives Not-So-Subtle Nod To United Nations Conspiracy Theories

Mitt Romney’s quest to boost conservative enthusiasm for his campaign reached the far-right edge of the GOP Wednesday, when Romney leaned hard into two conspiracy theories on the United Nations during an Ohio town tall.

An audience member asked Romney about the U.N.’s plan to “backdoor and tear down our freedoms.” Romney’s offered a tepid defense of the international body, while also giving a wink and a nod toward some of the edgier American conspiracy theories on the organization.

Romney said he does not believe — as some Republicans have in the past — that the U.S. should pull out of the U.N. (though plenty of audience members cheered at the suggestion). He praised the organization’s work in nuclear non-proliferation and said there is value in nations having a forum to speak to one another.

“I know that there are some who I, I fully believe would say, ‘Just let’s get out of the U.N.,’ I know there are many people who feel that,” Romney said to applause. “But I actually, I actually think you need to have a place to talk to other people even if you know they’re lying. So you can at least, at least, at least you can hear what they have to say and sort of get what their propaganda is.”

In recent years, U.N. conspiracy theories have centered on the idea that the organization is trying to take away Americans’ rights — including the rights to bear arms, own property and raise kids the way parents see fit.

The ascendance of the tea party has brought with it a new focus on U.N. conspiracies within the GOP. Just this week, tea party-leaning senators killed a U.N. treaty supported by big names in Republican diplomacy out of fear that it would give away sovereignty.

As he so often does, Romney had to negotiate between the establishment GOP and the tea party in providing a suitable answer on the U.N.

“There are some things that are good [about the U.N.],” Romney said. “There are a lot of things that are not good.”

Among the not-good things, he gave a subtle nod are a laundry list of fringe conspiracies:

“Turning to the United Nations to tell us how to raise our kids, or whether we can have the Second Amendment rights that our Constitution gave us, I mean these, that is the wrong way to go, all right. Do not cede sovereignty, I’m happy to talk to people there, I’m not willing to give American sovereignty in any way shape or form to the United Nations or any other body, we are a free nation, we fought for freedom and independence, we’re going to keep freedom and independence.”

The exchange shows that as Romney tries to focus on the economy, even conservative members of his own party will be there to throw him off track.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 7:16:58 PM   
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The Judge isn't calling for a civil war. He's saying he wants to be prepared for a civil war if it happens. In the Judge's eyes, he sees Obama handing over our sovereignty to the UN. And, he believes people won't accept that and will cause civil unrest, possibly including a civil war.

His comments may be a bit over the top, but what did he say improper? Did he call for a civil war if Obama is reelected? No. He said he was worried that one would happen. May have been really stupid to say in an on air interview because people may not have gotten that idea otherwise, but he didn't call for it.

He also said that he'd stand against UN forces if they were sent in to quell a civil war.

Again, his rhetoric may be off, but his stated actions aren't out of line, considering his worries.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 7:35:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty amusing that UN thing he's talking about. What the UN actually does want to do about kids, is to take care of basic rights of the children and their parents. Such as the right to homeschool or form your own schools for your kids to attend. The right not to have the state choose a religion for your kids. That sort of thing.

Note how he's not talking about a free people, but a free and independent nation.

A nation free to impose its will on its citizens and deny them any and all freedoms, if it so chooses. Not a nation of people that are to be free of such efforts by the state, which is what the UN tries to push. What the UN is trying to push could probably be most accurately summed up as the American Dream. They're trying to make it real, which the people that subverted it don't like.

And, firsthand, we UN countries aren't being shut down for blatant disregard for the charters we have signed.

The real bag of fun with actual UN participation by the US would be in the prison system, which doesn't meet basic humanitarian standards. Bringing that system up to spec would cost a fortune, and it would dramatically erode the ability to be "tough on crime" around election times, as there would be less crime to be tough on. The increased costs would, of course, also lead to a need to examine why it is necessary to outdo Stalin in terms of locking people up. Which might lead to the entirely unwelcome idea that one could go with a scientific approach (i.e. actual methodology; comparing strategies in practice, evaluating the results and then doing more of what works and less of what doesn't), resulting in a distinctly European system- maybe even Scandinavian- with a dramatic decrease in crime rates and recidivism.

Which would really erode the new American identity: being under siege, and struggling to get by.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 7:38:08 PM   
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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 7:42:31 PM   
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his stated actions aren't out of line, considering his worries.


Except for the fact that his worries are nothing but conspiracy. The U.N. is not going to be taking over the USA. And no president would give away our country like that.

Does the U.N. believe that our guns are insane? Yes. So do a good number of American citizens. Think of all the high profile shootings that have taken place recently, what is the one thing they all have in common? The shooters all had legally obtained weapons. I'm not advocating for overturning the 2nd, here. But gun laws are ridiculous in many states and even in states that have so-called strict gun laws, it is still obscenely easy to obtain one at a gun show or to carry one across state lines. There are some things that should not fall under the purview of "states' rights" and gun laws are one of those, which should be the same whether you are in PA, TN or OR or anywhere else.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 10:24:41 PM   
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his stated actions aren't out of line, considering his worries.

Except for the fact that his worries are nothing but conspiracy. The U.N. is not going to be taking over the USA. And no president would give away our country like that.


I agree with that analysis. However, that wasn't the point. I don't think the US is going to kneel to the UN. And, if a President did give the country away (it wouldn't be some handing over of keys, but some treaty that will less obviously give up our sovereignty), I could see the American people rise up and deny that from happening. All that being said, I don't see Obama as doing that.

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Does the U.N. believe that our guns are insane? Yes. So do a good number of American citizens. Think of all the high profile shootings that have taken place recently, what is the one thing they all have in common? The shooters all had legally obtained weapons. I'm not advocating for overturning the 2nd, here. But gun laws are ridiculous in many states and even in states that have so-called strict gun laws, it is still obscenely easy to obtain one at a gun show or to carry one across state lines. There are some things that should not fall under the purview of "states' rights" and gun laws are one of those, which should be the same whether you are in PA, TN or OR or anywhere else.


I don't know how to advocate for more even gun laws. If you hold a CCW, you are to comply by the CCW rules of the state you are in, not the state you hold the CCW from, if you are out of state. That can lead to very tricky situations, especially if you are driving through a state that doesn't allow concealed carry from one that does on your way to another one that does.

I have been chastised by a few CCW holders over my thoughts that a Federal CCW law would help. While it would help make state laws easier to follow, it also gives some authority to the Federal government to control what is allowed and what isn't; it allows the Federal government to infringe on our 2nd amendment rights.


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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 10:48:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is clear judge head has lost his.

It is not clear whether he is for or against the imagined U.N. Takeover.

If he is for it, hiring force to keep the People down makes sense. But the rest of his rhetoric doesn't make sense because it is 'Rabble Rousing'...so why would judge head want to hire force to put down the people he wants stirred up?

Could it be (oh, I don't know) the republican noise machine?

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/22/2012 11:15:36 PM   
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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/23/2012 3:13:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

The Judge isn't calling for a civil war. He's saying he wants to be prepared for a civil war if it happens. In the Judge's eyes, he sees Obama handing over our sovereignty to the UN. And, he believes people won't accept that and will cause civil unrest, possibly including a civil war.

His comments may be a bit over the top, but what did he say improper? Did he call for a civil war if Obama is reelected? No. He said he was worried that one would happen. May have been really stupid to say in an on air interview because people may not have gotten that idea otherwise, but he didn't call for it.

He also said that he'd stand against UN forces if they were sent in to quell a civil war.

Again, his rhetoric may be off, but his stated actions aren't out of line, considering his worries.



Oh ffs, are you really stupid enough to think that the Un will somehow invade the worlds mightiest nation, or that Obama would stand for it ?

Are you not worried that this crank (The judge) has the power to use his brain and send people to prison ? Do you really think thats acceptable !

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/23/2012 4:22:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake
It is clear judge head has lost his.
It is not clear whether he is for or against the imagined U.N. Takeover.


It may not have been in this particular article, but he's absolutely against a takeover.

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If he is for it, hiring force to keep the People down makes sense. But the rest of his rhetoric doesn't make sense because it is 'Rabble Rousing'...so why would judge head want to hire force to put down the people he wants stirred up?


He had said that if the people rose up against the UN takeover, Obama would have the UN come in to quell the uprising. Then, he said would be not let them into his city (or whatever jurisdiction he was talking about) and would be standing in front of their tanks. The extra police force is for his backup.


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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/23/2012 4:25:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
FR,
The Judge isn't calling for a civil war. He's saying he wants to be prepared for a civil war if it happens. In the Judge's eyes, he sees Obama handing over our sovereignty to the UN. And, he believes people won't accept that and will cause civil unrest, possibly including a civil war.
His comments may be a bit over the top, but what did he say improper? Did he call for a civil war if Obama is reelected? No. He said he was worried that one would happen. May have been really stupid to say in an on air interview because people may not have gotten that idea otherwise, but he didn't call for it.
He also said that he'd stand against UN forces if they were sent in to quell a civil war.
Again, his rhetoric may be off, but his stated actions aren't out of line, considering his worries.

Oh ffs,


I don't know what that means.

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are you really stupid enough to think that the Un will somehow invade the worlds mightiest nation, or that Obama would stand for it ?
Are you not worried that this crank (The judge) has the power to use his brain and send people to prison ? Do you really think thats acceptable !


No, I don't think the UN will invade the US.

In the scenario the Judge put forth, Obama would be handing over the US, so yes, he would stand for it. Do I think Obama would hand the US over? No.

I don't know if this judge is an elected official or not. If he is, then it's not up to me to be worried or whether it's acceptable or not.

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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/23/2012 5:11:39 AM   
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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/23/2012 5:16:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it just shows how little he knows of the law, what he is saying can't happen. only congress can act as he is stating, so No he is wrong, and for an elected official and a judge non the less to be so uninformed of how our government actually works is a sad state of the GOP party, They elected this guy...


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RE: Lubbock official warns of Obama civil war - 8/23/2012 5:47:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it laughable how all you twits cannot see the truth of our situation. The trends have pushed us toward total UN dominance for 5 decades. All sorts of UN policy declarations and treaties are being imposed upon Americans, from Agenda 21, to Codex Alimentarius, the carbon-is-pollution fraud, gun control, and more. Clear plans have been laid to use foreign troops here while our patriots are in harms way around the globe. There's been SO MUCH well documented proof in recent decades that there is no excuse why all you twits are so ignorant. Just spend a little time on infowars.com each day and you can't ignore the truth much longer. You have a president whose loyalties are completely suspect and who is a fraud in his own right. Everything about the man is fraudulent: his SSN, his Selective Service registration, and his long form 'birth certificate'. Whole websites have been devoted to exposing all the details. Go ahead, use your snide deprecating 'humor' to poke fun at me and the truth and the men who are wise enough to state it. It's all you have. Good luck with that when the SHTF.

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