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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I am SO looking forward to visiting Norway next summer and meeting you!

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

*sigh* if I must...

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

The thing, for me, is that I cannot agree to accord the state jurisdiction over the life and death of its citizens, criminal or not.

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Nephandi, I'd love to read that novella ;)

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I don't want to hand them a martyr, and I don't want to make him right in any of the accusations he has levelled, except the ones that actually were right to begin with. Most especially, I do not want there to be any doubt for posterity that we handled him and his actions correctly. He has been clear that his point has been to try to get a response like what happened in the USA after 9/11, so as to force the hand of the far right and push people down from the fence, resulting in a civil war. That's not an outcome that I would like. Defeating him is a war that is far from over, and won't be decided in the courts, except that we did win this battle as a people. The outcome of this war depends on continuing to win the important battles, not on sticking people behind bars.

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We could kill a man, and the SWAT team was half a trigger pull from doing so¹, but killing an idea is much harder.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings GreedyTop

First of all thank you for your kind words.

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Nephandi, I'd love to read that novella ;)

If you want I can PM you the link to my website, I usually post my novellas there when I write them.

Be Well

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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ORIGINAL: MrBlue76

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

I see your point Nephandi and admire your country for that view on the law. Over here it is being dealt with, too, when prisoners manage to report such crime being done to them to the police (though many also avoid reporting it, out of fear, that it will get worse if they dare to report it). However on a personal level I really don't care when some of them have to swallow their own medicine within the packing order of the prisons over here, considering what they did to get there in the first place...after all, they didn't care either how their victims also at times suffer the rest of their lives for the crime they had to cope with...

This, about prisoners swallowing their own medicine, is more a myth than any other thing. The things that target you as a potential victim or prison rape are: being a newbie, being very young, being phisically weak, being somehow effeminate, or effeminate looking.

Bring a 6 feet serial rapist and killer, with some good friends inside to a prison and you won't see him getting raped.

The skinny 19 year old small time pot dealer... oh well, that's different.

By the way, Aswad, your posts in this thread have been a pleasure to read :)

Swallowing the own medicine doesn't mean to get exact what they did....but at least I know it is far from a myth and way more complex than to believe the target would just be being a newbie, being young blablabla...

quite frankly, some folks who are in there especially for the long run... don't give a shit if a person is a newby or not....they have nothing to lose and some of them at least make the "best of their situation in their view"....quite frankly....you can be as big and strong as you like...it won't help you much when one of them is targetting you and has his helpers in there....

I am sorry but I wrote a fair amount of stuff from in there and visited work wise a few prisons and know enough about it to have my view point set....to know its real and not your desired fiction...but I am sure you know many prisoners and prisons yourself to have your view

Though kudos to the Norwegians when they handle it that way...

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Lockwood identified characteristics of targets and aggressors and salient
features of different kinds of aggressive incidents important to understanding the
culture of prison sex. He found targets were significantly more likely to be white,
while aggressors were significantly more likely to be black. Targets were
generally younger than aggressors and of relatively slighter build and lower
weight than aggressors. They had effeminate characteristics; were fairly
inexperienced in prison life; and were particularly vulnerable in the first few
weeks of initial imprisonment or transfer to another institution. Aggressors sought
newcomers. They were naive and easy prey and unaware of aggressors’ hustles.
Targets and aggressors were similar on sentence length, previous incarceration
history, and total length of incarceration. Aggressors, Lockwood found, did not
view themselves as homosexuals but did view victims as women.

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Inmates reported that rapists avoid confrontation and find easy targets.

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However, Toch contended that regardless of race, the
strength or weakness of a sexual target would determine if an inmate fell prey
to sexual victimization

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Chonco (1989) provided a descriptive study of victims of sexual assault.
Using data collected from 40 inmates in a Midwestern state prerelease center,
he argued that victims of sexual assault often exhibited behaviors associated
with female stereotypes. In addition, victims were often younger, talked a lot
to other inmates to fit in, and were perceived as weak by other inmates. Characteristics that increased an inmate’s chances of victimization included youth
and attractiveness, whether this was the first imprisonment experience for the
offender, if the inmate belonged to any prison gangs, and whether the inmate
displayed fear.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

In fact, I think I'm going to have to make another thread about Middle-East politics to delve into our way of doing things.

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ORIGINAL: Rule
....You are both weird and wrong. Circumcision will result in exponentially increasing frequencies of people without a conscience in fuure generations - and hence in more crime.
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