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Do you want to be a Norwegian?


I (or a relative) have a mutilated dick, but want to be a Norwegian
  0% (0)
I (or a rel.) have a mutilated dick, but do not want to be a Norwegian
  6% (1)
I am a Norwegian
  13% (2)
I have a perfect dick and want to be a Norwegian
  26% (4)
I have a perfect dick and do not want to be a Norwegian
  33% (5)
Flogron in Norway
  13% (2)
Do not flogron in Norway
  6% (1)


Total Votes : 15
(last vote on : 8/28/2012 4:51:07 AM)
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Duskypearls -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 7:18:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
I am of the mindset that trauma, surgical or otherwise, done intentionally or otherwise, especially to the sexual organs, has many profound and unforseen consequences upon the mind, body, spirit and soul.

All body cells have memory, so that even if we are pre-verbal and cannot consciously remember an event, our bodies will. And whether those memories remains suppressed or expressed, they will forever alter the being who sustained them.

One must consider when such violence is done to a sexual organ, it may cause a shut down of parts of a person, or perhaps even exacerbate other aspects of them. At the very least, they will not be whole. Ask anyone who has been brutalized, attacked, raped, etc. You are NEVER the same.

I agree with all of the above. Yet my objection to circumcision is motivated by consequences very much worse than the above.
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
I have often wondered if there may be a connection between violence to the penis, in the form of circumcision, and the violence of rape some men do to mainly women (and men, as well). Of course, they may not always express such unconscious, unexpressed, unrecognized trauma/rage in the sexually violent realm, but may also on the mental, emotional, social, religious, political, medical, educational, military, etc. planes.

Indeed there is such a connection, but it is a devious, complex one. Nor does one have to be circumcised to be afflicted by it: the chance of being afflicted by it is a function of being a member of a circumcising population and - exponentially - of how prevalent the practice of circumcision has been in that population and on the number of generations that it has been practised.
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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
And while it is off-track, I must say I am gravely disappointed in the behavior of some on this site. I do not say anyone here corners the market on truth or wisdom. I do not say you should agree with anyone elses post or views. I do not say do not post your counterview against those with whom you disagree. However, I do say it reflects very poorly upon the judgment, honor and integrity of those who berate or name call.

By all means, say you disagree and feel free to counter with your own argument and proof. Why not leave it at that? Why the efforts to bully and denigrate another? I don't get it, folks. You needn't like what another says, but you needn't be mean, either. That is very bad form.

If you do not like the message, there is no need to shoot the messenger.

You have class, Duskypearls. I lift my hat to you. [sm=applause.gif]

However, such as berate me - surely in many respects more human and excellent people than myself - to me are like gnats trying to suck blood from the Flying Spaghetti Monster From Outer Space: insignificant. I am truth and my truths are beyond their cognition and comprehension.

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
If you cannot like or agree with the message, why not consider the intent of the messenger. It might be more good than you think.

Indeed: I am trying to save whole populations and our species itself.

So now on-track again: Do you want to be a Norwegian?



Rule, would you be good enought to speak, in more depth, to that which I've bolded? I understand, on a cerebral/cellular level much is generationally passed on in DNA, including though patterns, chemical balances/imbalances, behaviors, traumas, belief systems, traditions, etc., and would like details of your take on it. We are such a warring, whoring culture it astounds, frightens and fascinates me.

At this very moment, I am deeply embroiled in a veritable life and death struggle against such DNA programming I inherited from my mother, a woman I really never new, yet I know I have been programmed by her and those that preceeded her (moreso than my father's side). It is so very odd, and may be hard for others to understand, but I can actually feel it trying to derail and destroy me. Whether I will be stronger than the imprinting and victor in the end, remains to be seen.

I understand the hypnotic power of indoctrination that collective society and institutions have upon its individuals, discouraging them from thinking/acting outside the proverbial, presently accepted box.

I understand the reluctant nature of most humans to comfortably embrace concepts and practices that differ from their own, especially if not yet presently understood, accepted or prescribed by the masses or powers that be. I understand the mental/emotional conflict and threat it poses to even consider going against the the grain of the status quo. I understand pack mentality, and its reactions to threats, real or perceived.

I understand that many beliefs and practices, medical and otherwise, once highly touted and thought to be for the highest good of mankind/life in general, are actually, in fact, not that at all, when looked at more deeply.

I understand most of what I have been taught is false, and much of that which I previously, blinded accepted, must be reconsidered.




GreedyTop -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 7:31:29 AM)

Dusky.. good luck in getting a NON tinfoil hat response out of rule.




Duskypearls -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 7:36:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Dusky.. good luck in getting a NON tinfoil hat response out of rule.


Perhaps, but perhaps I will learn something, providing I keep an open mind and heart. I wonder can others do the same? I always try to keep in mind that that which is considered heresy today may very well be tomorrows accepted truth.




GreedyTop -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 7:45:39 AM)

*shrug* Rule has been here longer than I have, I am sure, and has never yet considered removing his tinfoil tophat. He is so entrenched in his 'conspiracy truths" (to his mind, anyway) that any other view is anathema to him.

It's like trying to hold a discussion with a sphinx (yanno, the Egyptian statues...).


But, good luck getting anything coherent (and backed up by facts or legit scientific theory) out of him.




ARIES83 -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 2:28:46 PM)

Common GT... You know you were going
to say "It's like talking to a 'sphinc'."

For what it's worth I was trying to get
Rule to express his ideas so people wouldn't
make fun of him, but it's obvious to me,
that he wants to be made fun of...

So since I have a low snark policy, the only
way I can deal with him is to ignore him,
from now on which is a shame.

-ARIES




Duskypearls -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 2:54:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

So now on-track again: Do you want to be a Norwegian?



Sorry, this question got past me, as the Sandman was still in my eyes.

Don't know if I want to be a Norwegian. I am one quarter Finnish. Is that a currency of any value?




nephandi -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 2:57:15 PM)

Greetings

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Having your child circumcised in the hospital doesn't neccisarily make a difference. When I worked on the maternity unit as an RN, infants were routinely circumcised on day two or three. They were strapped, spread eagle, on a stiff unpadded board, stark naked, and circumcised. NO ANESTHETIC!!!!! More frequently this is being done at a few weeks of age, in the outpatient department, where I also spent four years very recently. The treatment of the infant was the same. As an operating room nurse for nine years, I saw cases of infants, who were circumcised in the doctors office, brought into the operating room that same day for a revision by a plastic surgeon because the GP did such a poor job, and completely failed at dealing with bleeding


That is terrible, babies do feel pain even if they can now always remember that pain later they do feel it and it is a traumatic experience even to infants. I did not know that hospitals did not use anesthetics when they did circumcisions.

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Now, as for the question....do I want to be Norweigen? HELL NO!!!!! I have problems staying warm in Alberta, Canada. I sure as hell wouldn't go someplace colder. But I do love listening to the talk, both in their native tongue and in english with their accent.


Aww that is sweet, and yes it do get cold over here. :P

Be Well




Rule -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 2:59:03 PM)

The question in translation is: Do you want to be part of a civilized population or not.




Rule -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 3:13:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
For what it's worth I was trying to get
Rule to express his ideas

It is my experience that such is contraproductive.




GreedyTop -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 3:26:16 PM)

*offers hugs to Nephandi, just because I think she is awesome*




Yleia -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 3:38:21 PM)

I'm marrying a Norwegian and living in Norway, that's about as close as it gets. It's not all *that* cold [;)]




GreedyTop -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 3:49:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yleia

I'm marrying a Norwegian and living in Norway, that's about as close as it gets. It's not all *that* cold [;)]



Hey, to SOME of us, anything below 75F is friggin ARCTIC!! LOL




Yleia -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 4:54:39 PM)

I melt at 75F and up, really really don't do well in warm climates, so this suits me just fine.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: Yleia

I'm marrying a Norwegian and living in Norway, that's about as close as it gets. It's not all *that* cold [;)]



Hey, to SOME of us, anything below 75F is friggin ARCTIC!! LOL





Duskypearls -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 6:17:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

The question in translation is: Do you want to be part of a civilized population or not.


I figured as much, and I do. There certainly isn't an overabundance of civility in this hemisphere. It's the living death!




Duskypearls -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 6:40:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

*shrug* Rule has been here longer than I have, I am sure, and has never yet considered removing his tinfoil tophat. He is so entrenched in his 'conspiracy truths" (to his mind, anyway) that any other view is anathema to him.

It's like trying to hold a discussion with a sphinx (yanno, the Egyptian statues...).


But, good luck getting anything coherent (and backed up by facts or legit scientific theory) out of him.


In regards to what I've bolded, Angel, that is considered an insult. Be advised insults ALWAYS say more about the giver than the receiver, as they serve only to highlight the givers fears, insecurities or lack of expansion potential.

It grieves me to learn yours limit you from benefitting from, or being mentally stimulated by, what Rule offers, whether you agree with him or not. I take comfort in knowing I do not suffer the same malady, as there is room on my internal planet for more than just my insignificant self and opinions.

May I say I believe in you, Greedy, and sincerely invite you to do the same? What say we dispense with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune that only serve to create division, separation and alienation? Is that your original, conscious intent?


As for getting things backed up by facts, tests and trials, good luck with that, as Science's models are in the dark ages. Example, I have had incredible experiences with ghosts, homeopathy, energies, remote viewing and Shamanic Journeying. All are/were highly real and effective, but can Science test and prove these things? Absolutely not. They, their equipment, and their mindsets are closed and myopic, behind the times, stuck in the dense world of matter, and take no responsibility for, or account of, how their individual and/or group biases affect outcomes.

Science can only grow with the speed, and to the degree that the individual/group heart, mind, and imagination can expand.




rockspider -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 6:44:38 PM)

I don't really understand the need for circumcision. The religious people (I am an atheistic Darwin supporter) would say that God created me perfectly. Why must I then go and have something chopped of my dick?

On the question about I would like to be a Norwegian? I am reasonable satisfied with being a Dane, but on the other hand Norway is the richest country in Europe and certainly a highly civilized people and the country has a stunning nature.




Rule -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 7:12:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rockspider
I don't really understand the need for circumcision.

For the benefit of our entire species there was an imperative need for circumcision in a sub-group of humanity - the unfortunate Jews - a very long time ago.

I rather think that the ruling pagan god who instituted circumcision had no idea of this specific benefit, but that he - being most strongly connected to the Divine - acted according to his destiny. The purpose of the practice must have been achieved when this pagan god was murdered approximately one thousand years later. But because no-one - not even the pagan gods - was aware of this purpose, the people who practiced circumcision were never informed that they ought to stop doing so.




Duskypearls -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 7:16:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: rockspider
I don't really understand the need for circumcision.

For the benefit of our entire species there was an imperative need for circumcision in a sub-group of humanity - the unfortunate Jews - a very long time ago.

I rather think that the ruling pagan god who instituted circumcision had no idea of this specific benefit, but that he - being most strongly connected to the Divine - acted according to his destiny. The purpose of the practice must have been achieved when this pagan god was murdered approximately one thousand years later. But because no-one - not even the pagan gods - was aware of this purpose, the people who practiced circumcision were never informed that they ought to stop doing so.


Would you speak more deeply on what I've bolded?




crazyml -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/26/2012 7:18:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop



Yanno, I would so happily *tacklesmoochgropehugandcuddleyou* (if Odeen approved, that is!!) because you ARE so adorable!!! *SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*


Aww C'mon... Rule is adorable too. Plainly also (as kitkat105 pointed out) batshit crazy and foreskin obsessed, but adorable too.




nephandi -> RE: Do you want to be a Norwegian? (8/27/2012 4:39:48 AM)

Greetings

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*offers hugs to Nephandi, just because I think she is awesome*


Hugs back, you are very kind, you are pretty awesome to. :D

Be Well




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