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TheHeretic -> Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 5:23:57 PM)

The theater was packed.  Twice, I had to tell late arrivals that yes, the seat next to me with the soda in the cupholder was taken.  It was a smaller house, than where we saw the latest Batman movie on opening weekend, but the crowd density was just as high, if not a little higher.

The new film, based on the research and writings of Dinesh D'Souza, takes the viewer on a journey through the early life of President Obama, much of it taken directly from the President's own words in his book, and provides much insight into the development of a man who, again in his own words, ran as a blank canvas that people could paint their own visions on.  It did well in limited release, and has now gone nationwide.

I sat in the little eatery's corner, sipping a caffeine slushy, waiting for Dad, amusing myself by guessing who people were, and which movie they were seeing.  The community served by that particular multi-plex is white/brown/black, but the ghetto is primarily served by a $2 theater, less than a mile away.  Don't get me wrong, you can still get stabbed in the head with an icepick* in this one, for saying something to somebody yapping on the phone, but it's still the more upscale place.

Two little old ladies, dressed up for the occasion.  Had to be Rush Limbaugh fans, and this might have been their first movie in years.  The good looking couple, who sent the 3 tweenagers off to Batman in I-Max to the right, had a room booked at the nearby motel, to make full use the 90 minute run-time of 2016, compared to the nearly 3 hours of Dark Knight.  The obscenely fat middle-aged man with a cane, who kept scowling at everyone, was a full-time internet leftist, only going to see the movie so he could tell people what was wrong with it.  The guy with the skinhead tattoo under his ear, and the morbidly obese woman with the even more whalish teenage son, were there to get their hate on.  The people coming in and heading left were mostly white, but not all.

There was something else, though.  I'm 6' 2," at the high end of normal, for an American.  This was a tall crowd by my standards, and broad shouldered, as well.  Purposeful looking people.  "Test pilot," got used up fast. 

Dinesh D'Souza had previously taken heat for writings which suggest that the President we elected was very much "other," to the American norm of worldview.  With this film, he is doubling down on that.

And yes, there is a question to all this rambling.  When a political film, a propaganda film, comes out, do you decide to see it based on whether it aligns with your ideology, or will you see an influential film from any point of view, to better participate in the larger discussion it generates?  Farenheit 9/11, for instance, can be talked about by any number of conservatives, who saw it for just that reason.

Or is it much easier and cheaper to trash D'Souza?




Real0ne -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 5:36:32 PM)

I wait until its free on youtube and then gloat that I made talking points long beforehand.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 5:44:36 PM)

I had to pay to see Moore's film, twice because I was writing a piece on it and the theater wouldn't allow me to use my audio recorder to take notes.

I would have gone to see it, anyway but, I was there for a reason.

I also saw the D'Souza film, today (it just opened, here) and I have to admit that for a 1605 matinee, it was fairly empty.

It was one of these newer mall theaters and has maybe 100 seats per screen. I would guess that there were about 30 people there. I was a bit shocked.

On the way in, there were a few movies exiting and the amount of people disparaging the film was a little amazing. Since they were on their way out, I asked if I should bother to go in and watch it. I was told how "stupid" and "awful" and "bullshit" it was and then, I asked: "Why did you stay until the end?"

"Oh, I wouldn't waste my time, seeing it. I was watching Batman ..."

Indeed. Why bother watching a movie before you offer a negative critique on it. That kind of ruins all the fun.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Winterapple -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 6:18:20 PM)

I'd go see it if one of the many Republicans in
my life would pay for my ticket.[;)]

Honestly, I would prefer Batman over
Dinesh or Michael Moore.

Was this the same theater where the
person got stabbed with the meat
thermometer? If it was I'd have to hold
out for pay for view.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 6:21:38 PM)

It's still at #13, showing in 1091 locations at 1.2 Mil right above Eka tha Tiger showing in 98 locations at 1.1 Mil.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movie/box_office.php




TheHeretic -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 6:34:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple
Was this the same theater where the
person got stabbed with the meat
thermometer? If it was I'd have to hold
out for pay for view.


Actually, it was neither an icepick, or a meat thermometer.  It was a specialized tool for air conditioning repair that is comparable to both, but yes, same place.




TheHeretic -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 6:41:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's still at #13


Yep.  And it's a political documentary, that did very well in limited release.  Word of mouth will carry it higher, but I'm not looking at it to topple the Avengers.  The impact will spread, and there is really no reason to pay for the big screen, if you have a good way around that, and a healthy dose of disrespect for copyright law.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 6:51:22 PM)

This world being what it is, it's not surprising that a rabid propaganda flick would pull an audience from among the hard-core sociopaths.
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showing in 1091 locations at 1.2 Mil right above Eka tha Tiger showing in 98 locations at 1.1 Mil.

1091 locations, eh? Let's see; that comes to $1100 a location - /$10 a ticket - 110 viewers. Yep, we've got a gen-ewe-wine electoral tidal wave on our hands here, folks. Better duck & cover.
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Real0ne -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 7:35:29 PM)

yeh but nothing can upstage 911




slvemike4u -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 7:35:37 PM)

Guy I occasionally play golf with( tea bagger type,we have a no politics rule,see I can play golf or I can argue politics,I can not do both simultaneously )anyway he was asking me if I had,or would be seeing it,I replied in the negative,adding that I feel no need to run out and see Michael Moore flicks either.
I have no need for the propaganda of either side,,,especially if I'm required to pay for it.
This "pal" of mine insists it's not a propaganda film simply telling the story of Obama's early life and how it was influenced by his father.....I laugh and state" exactly,propaganda" he barks back "no,no it's not propaganda,just Obama's life".Now I'm laughing(while trying to get into swing mode for a 138 yard par 3)"Yeah"I say"Obama's life as told by this guy with his slant....by definition propaganda"
My pal is red in the face by now ,I've hit,a little short but right in front...a pitch and a putt as they say.....Tea bag golfer gets up to his ball,still read in the face,still insisting it is not propaganda...and he slices it off into the hazard area.....lol
Moral of the story,dont talk politics over a golf ball...and certainly don't waste your time trying to bullshit me....lol.




TheHeretic -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 8:11:29 PM)

I'd say the moral of the story is to talk politics on the golf course, when the bet is right, Mike.  [:D]

Fair enough, on not seeing any of it, but no weighing in what is in it, then.




slvemike4u -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 8:20:20 PM)

No,and I feel no compulsion to do so either [8|]
But I am curious,why did you feel it necessary to go out and see this film that you yourself described as "a propaganda film"....we disagree on more than a few issues,but I never took you for one who is un-informed or intellectually lazy....my guess is you are an avid reader,probably read more than one or two newspapers,throw in the net and that's a lot of information from a multitude of sources.
Why the need to see this guys slant on things ?




TheHeretic -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 8:44:51 PM)

Well, for one thing, Mike, I don't automatically stigmatize something for being "propaganda."  Nor does "propaganda," automatically mean, "a pack of lies."  It's a film intended to inform, and persuade, and to move the discussion in a desired direction.  Google up, "The Man From Hope," before you might decide you are going to denounce the whole genre, and anyone who uses it 

Why would I see it?  Maybe you've missed it, but I do like to discuss political subjects, from time to time. 

Barack Obama ran as a blank canvas.  D'Souza is filling it in, and he does a very good job of it.





slvemike4u -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 8:50:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Well, for one thing, Mike, I don't automatically stigmatize something for being "propaganda."  Nor does "propaganda," automatically mean, "a pack of lies."  It's a film intended to inform, and persuade, and to move the discussion in a desried direction.  Google up, "The Man From Hope," before you might decide you are going to denounce the whole genre, and anyone who uses it 

Why would I see it?  Maybe you've missed it, but I do like to discuss political subjects, from time to time. 

Barack Obama ran as a blank canvas.  D'Souza is filling it in, and he does a very good job of it.




Perhaps from your and his pov...I dear say the President would tend to disagree.
I wasn't denigrating propaganda per se,Casablanca was propaganda.....but it is classic propaganda....this,from what I understand(sight unseen) is nothing more than a political hit piece,done for the short term goal of influencing an election.In other words the cheapest basest propaganda of the "big lie" variety.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 8:57:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's still at #13


Yep.  And it's a political documentary, that did very well in limited release.  Word of mouth will carry it higher, but I'm not looking at it to topple the Avengers.  The impact will spread, and there is really no reason to pay for the big screen, if you have a good way around that, and a healthy dose of disrespect for copyright law.

Thats why I pointed out that it was right above 'Eka tha Tiger' which showed at 9% of the venues.

I looked at the synopsis and cant figure out the legitimacy or logic...The writer seems to think he can predict Obama's future actions because of the relationship he had with and the leanings of his biological father.
I dont feel that washes because his biological father was not in his life for any significant time. If he had used the mother's political leanings, Id buy that but as it is, it seems like so much tea leaf and entrail reading.




tazzygirl -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 8:58:31 PM)

I wont pay money at the theater to see it. Im sure it will be on cable before the elections.




tj444 -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 8:59:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
When a political film, a propaganda film, comes out, do you decide to see it based on whether it aligns with your ideology, or will you see an influential film from any point of view, to better participate in the larger discussion it generates?  Farenheit 9/11, for instance, can be talked about by any number of conservatives, who saw it for just that reason.

Or is it much easier and cheaper to trash D'Souza?

oh hell NO!!! If i go to a theater to watch a film/movie and go thru the pain of smelling and hearing people stuffing their face with popcorn and such, having my shoes stick to the floor, having to strain to look around the tall guy that sat in front of me and being uncomfortably close to strangers, stand in crowded lines.. not to mention pay for the priviledge, then its gotta be something I wanna watch.. like the new Bourne movie! [8D]

I dont think i have ever watched any of Moore's stuff... maybe a few clips on tv?.. If its not on tv (when i have access to tv), or free on hulu or youtube or at the library then I dont see it..




DaddySatyr -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 9:15:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Thats why I pointed out that it was right above 'Eka tha Tiger' which showed at 9% of the venues.

I looked at the synopsis and cant figure out the legitimacy or logic...The writer seems to think he can predict Obama's future actions because of the relationship he had with and the leanings of his biological father.
I dont feel that washes because his biological father was not in his life for any significant time. If he had used the mother's political leanings, Id buy that but as it is, it seems like so much tea leaf and entrail reading.


Hill, that's kind of the point. The movie tells you that his mom really talked up his father and even left his step-dad for becoming "institutionalized". He went to work a regular job and "fell in" with people that were happy with the status quo.

Also, when he was sent to live with his grandfather, his grandfather enlisted the help (?)Frank(?) Marshall Davis, a fairly well known communist (card-carrying) journalist, as a "mentor" for young Barack.

I told everyone that Fahrenheit 911 was a must-see (essentially for the "second half" of the film which was a pretty well made documentary) and I highly recommend this film to anyone planning on voting in November.

On a scale of 1-10, if Fahrenheit was a 9 when it comes to unsubstantiated propaganda, this film was probably about a 6. He makes no outrageous claims, stated as fact and he uses a decent amount of Obama's audio book to tell the story.

Spend the $6.50 (I went to a matinee and saved $3.50 on the ticket).



Peace and comfort,



Michael




TheHeretic -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/25/2012 9:20:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
from what I understand(sight unseen) is nothing more than a political hit piece,done for the short term goal of influencing an election.In other words the cheapest basest propaganda of the "big lie" variety.


That, Mike, qualifies as commenting on what is in it.  




Politesub53 -> RE: Seeing 2016: Obama's America (film) (8/26/2012 5:58:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Or is it much easier and cheaper to trash D'Souza?



Would you call him fair and balanced ? I think he has long since trashed his own reputation, going back to when he blamed the left for causing 9/11.




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