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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 6:53:10 PM   
AngelicPuzzle


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he said "it was an issue of trust and you did not trust him" well he was of course you didn't trust him - a few days of chatting doesn't get you instant trust- trust and respect are things to be earned by both sub and DOM - don't ever let anyone tell you that because they are DOM they deserve that automatically.

another flag was the ultimatium....don't contact him until you are ready to release your number....that one is easy.....cya and move on.  I've had one try this with me over a sending them a particular type of photo - never have and never will - you know what he still continues to contact me with the same question.

Personally I am not a fan of the iggy button for one simple reason, well really two....they can just create another probile and start again.....and the second being know what your "enemy" is up to so you can be prepared and aware.  I use the manual iggy button....see the email, read and delete without responding.

Lastly on cell phone numbers....I had a girlfriend tell me that you are better off to give out a home phone number instead of a cell - if they start harassing you the phone company and police can do something about it and trace it even if it is blocked.  but unless things have changed that was not possible with a cellphone.

Good Luck and enjoy the community here....some really great folks here to bounce things off of :)

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 6:55:15 PM   
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Maybe he wants to call her at home to make sure she isnt married..maybe the red lights are going on for him..we only know one side of the story.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 6:59:40 PM   
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quote:

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Maybe he wants to call her at home to make sure she isnt married..maybe the red lights are going on for him..we only know one side of the story.


I would go with that theory but unfortunately with a newbie it's a given that you'll need to work through trust issues in the beginning. Throwing down an or else tends to make them run. Having her call him it would seem would help alleviate some of those flags.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:04:37 PM   
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I was just talking to Master about this. I came to the conclusion, I dont think I would meet with anyone from the internet who I didnt have at least their home phone number. Just a different perspective.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:14:39 PM   
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I would agree with you. Though there were times when I was younger and much more foolish when I would meet someone without their full name or phone number. Got burned and learned that lesson the hard way. Though there is still one Dom friend I don't have a home number or address for. Doesn't matter though since we're just email friends and nothing more.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:17:25 PM   
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Well jali I disagree'd with his childish immature  tantrum after she said no.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:18:46 PM   
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I agree with you, slavejali.  I surely wouldn't meet someone who I didn't trust enough with my home phone number.

The man has been more than forthcoming with personal details of his own life - including his phone number.  His trust wasn't reciprocated and it doesn't suprise me that he was a wee bit upset.  Stalkers, predators, liars, red flag lifters come in all shapes and sizes - not just in the form of an inexperienced dom. 

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:30:09 PM   
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All I can say is "exactly" littlechameleon. Master said "Good post littlechameleon".

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:32:37 PM   
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quote:

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I was just talking to Master about this. I came to the conclusion, I dont think I would meet with anyone from the internet who I didnt have at least their home phone number. Just a different perspective.


She has home, work, cell, office company and company email. But is reluctant to give her own.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:37:36 PM   
slavejali


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Exactly Rose.........if i got so many details off someone else ..well its just a little unbalanced..not to give my own.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:46:24 PM   
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hello Curvy London sub

If you havent met him...  why would he expect you to have developed trust beyond what you have already shared?  And what is  he really risking to meet you for  coffee  anyway? ..  why does he need you to prove anything  more all of a sudden, when all  you are doing is meeting in,  I assume, a safe space. 

Trust is not  singular  thing ... its a complex many layered belief structure. It takes time, the correct focus, and the experiences to build all the layers, (or destroy them)  and indeed it is a process not  a single step.

Any one who expects you to trust them in all things because you trust them enough to meet them in a public space, is in my opinion a bit silly or lacks understanding or empathy at least.

I am female and a dominant, but have explored being  submissive before, so have met  people from online of all persuasions, dom sub and mixtures.  I  do not give out any traceable details before meeting for a coffee. I even ensure that  my  car isnt  seen as number plates can be traced and my car is a unigue collectable so  visually noticable. I even tend to not claryfy what suburb I live in  beyond general area. I tend to also be the one who chooses the location, which is a public cafe  (not a bar) that is open and well lit but is quiet .. in an area  close to  me  but not one of my favorites,  so I am aware of its  layout  and can make the actual meeting easier.

I  have encountered the resistance of one's who assumed I was hideing things. I understand the concern, but I also think that  most of  us can create a safe scenario  to meet for coffee. 

Before meeting someone, they will have seen photos (more than one)  of me and  I will help them work out other safety issues like good places to meet, how to ensure I dont see there car  etc etc and I will have generally directed them to chat rooms, where I am known in real (I know this can be faked  .. but in australia  the number of local chat rooms is small and  I am resonable well known so there are many to chat with )   and encourage them to chat with people who know me. I do not ask them for  their own information, but if its offered, do tell them if they share it that it will not be recipricated till after we meet

To me if  with all the discussions and other things, they still cannot get past shareing the next level of trust untill a more concrete meeting,  then that  shows me that they either have serious trust/fear issues beyond the norm .... or they are not the right type of person for me.

The only time I would and have  modified this, is when the person lives long distance and the decission to meet comes with greater costs and effort to actually arrange a meeting.

As  far as what I share, I only have a mobile/cellular phone number .... no fixed lines at all  .. even my internet is a mobile conection... I have encountered people who after they have gotten my mobile get suspiscious that  they  do not get a homeline and are hesitant to believe that  I dont have one ...  (this only happens if  they haven't as yet been invited into my home)   I believe it is my responsability,  as a dominant,  to help them through those mistrust issues, to not just say  bad luck believe it  or else. But, it is up to them, to decide to give me trust,  to see and experience my behaviour and believe my words match my actions.


But from what you  have shared,  anyone who is trying to gain your trust who explains how easy it is to reverse your phone number to an address, to me sounds like he is trying to play with your emotions .. at the least raise a level of fear.. perhaps  he thinks all  submissives enjoy thrill games ....  forgetting  that they enjoy them within a framework of trust which must be created and proved first before it can be played with. 

Or perhaps  he himself is full of fear and  is pushing that onto you, trying to control by threats .. do this or else I leave/remove contact,   I dont think that this is a smart way to dominate. A dominant can and should set limits, this behaviour is allowed this is not and this is the consequence of breaking such limits. 

But this doesn't seem to be an example of setting limits but one of useing threats. My question to you is would you want a dominant who used such technigues on you to get their own way?

MzMinx

(and yes australia seems to be full of minx's )

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:50:48 PM   
MzMinx


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what can be traced on cell/mobile or fixed land line phones depends on the country and the network .. both by technology and by legal restraints ...

In some  countries cellular/mobiles can be listed in the 'yellow' pages and can be reversed to an address if the customer requested them it to be published

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 7:57:12 PM   
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I agree with  working through issues such as .. are your married? (if it is an issue) etc... but their should be more than one way to do so ... as I shared in one of my other posts

I dont have a home telephone

I am single and live alone ... why do I need multiple phones?  It is a lifestyle choice not anything to do with 'hideing'  .... but I have worked through this issue with people who I desire to meet but have what are valid concerns... by listening to them and provideing other ways of proveing/addressing their concerns

although it is true i think their is a difference  between females nd males in generl concerning this issue.. as i meet males, many do not even think of safety concerns and don't even ask ... often phone numbers only come up as an issue when a meeting has been arranged and  they worry about running late or such and want to be able to contact me

*waves from melbourne hoping sydney is warmer than our chill weather *

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 8:04:11 PM   
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Its bloody freezing here MsMinx *grin*

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 8:21:48 PM   
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*mutters softly* ....  where is  good boy when I need one

hmmm is it cruelty to subs if you use them as foot  warmers ?*grins*  gives a new definition to blue balls I would think

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 8:25:04 PM   
slavejali


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Nothing wrong with that at all, Master uses me for one all the time  Well I dont know about the ball bit but doesnt sound terribly cruel to me *grin*

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 8:25:44 PM   
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I do understand the OP's hesitancy in giving her home phone, at this point. She has only corresponded a few days, she did give her mobile phone. I assume < probably shouldn't> he has her e mail as well since she says his e mail has his surname on it. She is being cautious, as is her right.

I don't know what I would do in her shoes, but being a woman living alone, I do understand her hesitancy IF she hasn't given out her last name, her home address, etc. His re actions seems a little over the top to me, simply because he has only *known * her a few days. After a bit longer time or after meeting, I would certainly think that giving her home phone would be in order.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 8:30:42 PM   
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I'm really tempted to post our phone number on here, thats how much I cant understand the problem hey  Guess everyone just has different perspectives...and all the OP can go on really, is what feels right for her.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 9:24:34 PM   
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Phone numbers can be looked up to reveal a person's home address.  If you've ever had an issue with stalking, you might likely change your mind on that...or with people calling you at all hours of the night and waking you up.  Or giving the number out to buddies.  Or...or...or.  Some people are just private.  And particularly for a new submissive, better to err on the side of caution than be careless.

When Master and I began talking in IM, he gave me his number and told me to call him.  I thanked him and told him I wasn't comfortable giving my number out yet.  He said "OK.  That was that.  After we spoke a few times, I began trusting him with more pieces of information about me.  As he said at the time, he didnt' own me so could not make demands on me.  He could only request what he wanted and it was up to me if I wanted to comply or not.  However, if I chose not to comply too many times, he could possibly end up losing interest.  Made sense to me.

I think the Dom in this case overreacted, big time.  An either/or scenario after only a few days would have me saying "See ya, have a nice life."  Sounded like immature frustration, to me.  If he was that upset, a simple, "That is disappointing.  But we'll work through it." would work.  Makes  you wonder how he would react about something bigger.

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RE: Telephone problem - 6/11/2006 9:54:57 PM   
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quote:

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Exactly Rose.........if i got so many details off someone else ..well its just a little unbalanced..not to give my own.


I would agree but my last boy had the same issue. I was his first Domme and had to talk him through even showing up for dinner. I actually watched him out the window of applebees go back and get in his car again when I was joking that he'd know me because I was the one clad in head to toe leather with the big neon sign that said I'm gonna spank his ass hanging over my head.
Newbies don't always make sense and take a lot more work, that's why most aren't willing to make that committment. She has her reasons for not taking that step & he's being fair in asking her to take that step or not contact him again.

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