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AthenaSurrenders -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/28/2012 11:26:07 PM)

Suddenly whether he is lying or not is not the big issue - the real issue is that he's not making you as much of a priority as you want.

If he's only contacting you for play and hook ups, if you're both dating (or able to date) others... yup sounds like kinky fuck buddies.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with 'part time sub'. Everyone has other obligations - jobs, families, chores, hobbies, church dinners, aging parents etc etc... It's still possible to be in a 'full time' Dom/sub relationship, just with the realistic attitude that sometimes it's grocery shopping and dentist appointments instead of shibari and orgasms. Do you mean you only want to submit in the bedroom and not in other areas of life? Or do you just mean this is a casual relationship?

Now if you're happy with only meeting every now and then for some kinky sex then great! But he's probably not going to make much time for you whilst he's embroiled in some family crisis. If you want to have a relationship beyond this, it's time to speak up or get out. He's satisfied but I sense you are not.




SailingBum -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 12:24:57 AM)

well dunno you have only been going out with the guy for 3 months. Im not sure id tell a girl everything that was going on in my life since it's Ive only been seeing her a couple months.

BadOne




lkb0503 -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 1:22:14 AM)

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1. You did not describe how his mother's doing. Either he's not sharing it with you, or you didn't describe it to us. It sounds like she may be very sick - if so, I'd expect her condition to dictate his actions.

Reply: I have asked if his Mom is ok, he tells me his mom is ok and he is busy helping her that "it's a long story, tell you later". Any time I text him when he is out of state at his mom's I always ask first"How is your mom? and I say be safe there and when traveling back.

2. He is with his mother, who is sick. He is with family members, many of whom he likely hasn't seen for years. It'd be natural for him to want to spend uninterrupted time with them. I find it telling that your natural response is to assume he's cheating.
Reply: He has not said his Mom is sick.

He visits his family often, it's only about a 5 hour drive. Since I met him in April this year he has made this trip 4 times, the las two were just 2 days apart, which makes me wonder, How does he manage to get that kind of time off from work?


3. "[He] informed me he would be there a week maybe longer... I asked him when he will return and he did not give me an answer." Of course not. He's with his sick mother and has told you he doesn't know how long he'll be there. You're still pestering him about wanting him back. Let me repeat that - he's with a sick mother in her 70s or 80s and doesn't know how much longer he'll have her, and your concern is when he'll return to you. That's telling.

Reply:He has not said his mother was sick, just that he is busy and it's a long story.

You're screwing this up by being clingy and needy. You have a golden opportunity right now to get closer to him. You should be asking him about how his mother is doing (the uppermost thing in his mind), and asking him to tell you about the other people there, his family. Could he tell you stories about them from his younger days? If he IS cheating (and the more I think about this, the more I think he isn't), he'll get caught in a web of lies. If he's not cheating, you'll get closer to him.

Reply: We do not have a girlfriend/ boyfriend type Dom/sub relationship. He has said he was ok if I have a "lover", just 1. Or if I date and I decide that continuing the Dom/sub relationship, I just inform him and he lets me go.

Did you notice that he told you he might not be immediately available to you? And that you thought you had to mention it? He's with friends and family that he hasn't seen for years. OF COURSE he's not going to be at your beck and call. And he's dealing with a LOT right now and your neediness isn't high on his radar.

reply: From what I can tell by the frequency of these rips He sees his family/ friends often. I don't want to be needy, clingy.

My suggestions are:

1. Tell him that you miss him. Would it be possible to speak with him every night when he gets some time to himself? Understand that he'll be worn out but you'd love to hear his voice, even for only five minutes. Also, you'd like to just know how he's doing - you know he's under a lot of stress and you're worried about him. DO NOT expect play over the phone - he may opt to do it but he's stretched out and may well not be up to it. Your goal is to be quietly supportive of HIS needs while he's going through a lot.

Reply: When he is out of state I do text him and ask how he and his mom are doing. sometimes I get an answer that day. Though on this trip it may be a day or more before he answers. We don't talk on the phone, we only text or email.

2. Therapy. You've likely been cheated on before and are dealing with your feelings now, and ignoring what he's going through. You're responding with clinginess and anger, and you're about to bitch up a good relationship. You've got issues and need to deal with them.

Best of luck.


Reply: that is true I have trust issues. My Dom has said many times he "won't mess with my head or play games".




lkb0503 -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 1:32:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

Suddenly whether he is lying or not is not the big issue - the real issue is that he's not making you as much of a priority as you want.

If he's only contacting you for play and hook ups, if you're both dating (or able to date) others... yup sounds like kinky fuck buddies.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with 'part time sub'. Everyone has other obligations - jobs, families, chores, hobbies, church dinners, aging parents etc etc... It's still possible to be in a 'full time' Dom/sub relationship, just with the realistic attitude that sometimes it's grocery shopping and dentist appointments instead of shibari and orgasms. Do you mean you only want to submit in the bedroom and not in other areas of life? Or do you just mean this is a casual relationship?

Reply: I would submit to what ever my dom agrees to, as he knows my hard limits. By 'part time' we have what I would call a 'casual relationship'. Meaning he is agreeable to me having a "lover", 1 lover. Or I can date ect, If my Dom invited me into his life more as his sub, for example to be 'dating' I would enjoy that. However I do have 1 issue that my dom has with me that wouldprevent us from having a 'dating/boyfriend/girlfriend Dom/sub relationship. At least the way i understand it. I'm ok with a once or twice a week "play session".


Now if you're happy with only meeting every now and then for some kinky sex then great! But he's probably not going to make much time for you whilst he's embroiled in some family crisis. If you want to have a relationship beyond this, it's time to speak up or get out. He's satisfied but I sense you are not.


reply: I am realizing i have to make a decision on what to do next and I plan to talk with him about this when he returns home. Thank you for your honesty and feedback.




LadyPact -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 4:24:34 AM)

Try something out for Me. You probably aren't going to like it, but humor Me a little.

Go back to your original post and read it over to yourself with one exception. Replace the word "Dom" with the words "man I am casually dating." Yeah. I know. He's told you that you are a responsibility of his, yadda, yadda. Try it anyway.

The point of this little exercise is to show you that it really doesn't matter if you are calling Dom/sub. Those cute little labels don't matter all of that much if that isn't really what you've got. I can sit here and call Myself the Queen of England. That doesn't make it so.

It really does sound like you have a fuck buddy. A fuck buddy who happens to be decent enough to care if there is a problem on your end, but a fuck buddy none the less. If he only contacts you when he wants to "play" at home, do you understand that there is no incentive for him to contact you when he knows play is not in the immediate future?

One last bit. There's no magical thing here just because kink is involved. You're new to kink. Not new to the way the world works. Basic reality doesn't change just because there is some bondage or S/m involved. Take the kink out of the equation and just look at this as a man who happens to get together with a woman every so often. Think about all of the things that you are already aware of that men will say to get a woman in bed or keep her as his piece of tail when he wants it. It's no different.

Count Me as number five who is inclined to think it's either a booty call situation or casual dating that includes play/sex/whatever.





ChatteParfaitt -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 6:24:08 AM)

Using FR:

You're not just a booty call -- you're the other woman.

Surely you realize this?

Here's the clues:

The "relationship" is of short duration. It's hard to keep your lies straight for long.

He's traveling back to the city more and more and for longer times. B/c it's his primary residence, where he lives with his wife and kids.

When he's gone, he can't reply, as he's too busy. See above.

You asked when he would return and did not get an answer. Cheaters don't like to be cornered.

He's okay with you dating or having a lover? B/c he feels guilty for lying and cheating on his wife.

We are 'part time' Dom/sub because we both have family, jobs, ect obligations that make it difficult to be anything other than part time. Why do I get the feeling you are quoting him when you say that? You are part time b/c he is far too committed elsewhere to be full time with you.

ETA: Bonus clue that I can feel across the interwebz. This man just so happens to have a career that allows him to travel to the other state/city, or he's retired.

How did you get to be 55 years old and not know this stuff? Forget the dom/sub part until you can understand that d/s relationships are still relationships. For a better explanation of what I mean, please re-read LadyPact's post.








kalikshama -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 6:35:46 AM)

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I would submit to what ever my dom agrees to, as he knows my hard limits. By 'part time' we have what I would call a 'casual relationship'. Meaning he is agreeable to me having a "lover", 1 lover. Or I can date ect, If my Dom invited me into his life more as his sub, for example to be 'dating' I would enjoy that. However I do have 1 issue that my dom has with me that wouldprevent us from having a 'dating/boyfriend/girlfriend Dom/sub relationship. At least the way i understand it. I'm ok with a once or twice a week "play session".


Never give someone absolute authority until he steps up to take absolute responsibility.




searching4mysir -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 6:40:04 AM)

FR

Ultimately, talk is cheap. Watch his feet, not his pretty words, OP. For me, he actually has to LEAD and that means taking responsibility. If you submit to anyone who has pretty words, then what is your submission worth?




lkb0503 -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 3:29:57 PM)

Lady Pact and all others: I had to see it from other's eyes, but you are right, it's a "booty call" or he is married, ect. He was all about texting me, emailing when there was a "chase". now that I want what he gives me I'm no longer a challenge. I don't want to give up exploring BDSM, I just will have to find it with a guy who isn't in it for just a "booty call". I dont want a 24/7 BDSM lifestyle so I will need to do some serious soul searching and go from there. Thanks everyone for the good adivce.




lizi -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 3:47:50 PM)

I'm glad you got some perspective on things and seem to have found out answers to what was troubling you. There are other people out there who will fit you and your needs. Take your time and check things out thoroughly, resist anyone wanting to jump into things. You do not have to follow what someone wishes until you have decided to, make sure to know what you want and stick to it. You have the right to be choosy.

FYI, not many of us 'want' a 24/7 lifestyle, we mostly have lives to live. A regular relationship is hardly 24/7 either as people do go to work and such. I'm not sure why you keep coming back to the full time/part time thing, but you know, hang out on the boards more and see how people do things. We're all fairly normal. In fact for most of us, no one would know we were kinky, we're just regular people and couples.




Bakersmusic -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 5:37:25 PM)

From my own experiencr, which is very similar to yours, I just ask myself if this is something I can live with and still find some happiness with him. Im seeing a guy who lived 2 hours away and works ALOT. I know this going in though, and make the time we do communicate more worth while rather than dwelling on all the times hes away. Perhaps he cannot/will not offer more. Can you still be happy with that? If not, then move on to someone who will be arround more.

Excuse the typos, my phoned trying to kill me.




graceadieu -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/29/2012 9:32:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lkb0503

Lady Pact and all others: I had to see it from other's eyes, but you are right, it's a "booty call" or he is married, ect. He was all about texting me, emailing when there was a "chase". now that I want what he gives me I'm no longer a challenge. I don't want to give up exploring BDSM, I just will have to find it with a guy who isn't in it for just a "booty call". I dont want a 24/7 BDSM lifestyle so I will need to do some serious soul searching and go from there. Thanks everyone for the good adivce.


Even for people that have a 24/7 power dynamic, they don't do BDSM 24/7 - that's just impractical! [;)]

If you mean you're looking for a relationship where you submit in the bedroom but are otherwise equals, that's pretty common and very doable. Either way, there are definitely lots of people in the BDSM community looking for a real relationship, so keep looking and hopefully you'll find somebody.




lkb0503 -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/30/2012 11:37:02 PM)

Ty again, the insights are very valuable. I am gaining more understanding about this lifestyle, it's not all "50 Shades of Grey". I find that my heart yearns for a relationship with a Dom that would develop into a loving more LTR. I never thought I would say that!! When I think about this and the Dom I am 'with' now, my instincts tell me he does not want a LTR either with me or another. I did get brave enough to ask if he aquired a girlfriend or wife while he was away. his answer: "No wife!! No g/f!! weird question"

It gets confusing. I did get text from Dom yesterday at around 3pm . I could not invite him over because my grand kids were home, on 1 occasion I did invite him after the grand kids fell asleep.
I did offer that to him, it was afternoon when he contacted me. Off we went into a"heavy" texting session ( a little like making out or 'petting' if a couple was 'dating or FWB") This went on until about 6 pm, then poof! no more text. My impression : he was saying he wanted his"booty call" right then. I'm sure he will contact me today he had asked my availability, and he knows the grand kids will not be home. On the positive side he did ask if I was feeling better and if I found out what was going on with my health.

It is time I tell Dom exactly how I feel and see what happens, as much as I don't want to walk away, I don't get what I need from him. Ty everyone, I do appreciate the wisdom!!




UllrsIshtar -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/31/2012 12:19:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lkb0503

Ty again, the insights are very valuable. I am gaining more understanding about this lifestyle, it's not all "50 Shades of Grey".


Darling, I implore you... please... if you take ONE thing away from this thread, it should be the fact that THE LIFESTYLE IS NOTHING LIKE "50 Shades of Grey."

Most users of this forum DESPISE that book... not because it's bad fictional entertaining, but because it depicts the lifestyle as something it is not at all, and has brought an influx of people who are now trying BDSM for the first time, with a completely wrong idea of what to expect.

If you want to read books that will actually teach you about BDSM, about what to expect, how to go about getting to know people/men/Doms, what you should be careful about, and what's loads of fun and okay... try these booklists of non-fiction works instead: -=BDSM Book List=-, Ms Relationship Books, BDSM How-To Books

I don't really remember who has said this first, but *the* best analogy I've heard about BDSM and "50 Shades" is this one:

quote:


"50 Shades of Grey" is to BDSM, what "Pirates of the Caribbean" is to Somalian pirates.


"50 Shades" is a nice fantasy. And there is nothing wrong with you enjoying it, or even fantasizing about it. But please please please... do not base what you're expecting from a D/s relationship on that book.




littlewonder -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/31/2012 1:23:47 AM)

Neither of you see each other as "your life" so yeah....he doesn't see you as his life either and therefore feels no reason to tell you much of anything at all. Why should he? You obviously don't see him as part of YOUR life.

And what does having a job, college, family obligations have to do with being a sub??? I have college, Master has a job, we both have family obligations and somehow we manage to have a "fulltime" 24/7 M/s relationship. He actually IS my life and I am his hopefully. We see each other as needing and desiring one another and being a we.

You both see each other as "me" and "I'.

Or he's married.

Either way, neither sounds like a win situation to me.




littlewonder -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/31/2012 1:33:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lkb0503

Clarification: My Dom and me are not in a boyfriend/girlfriend type 'relationship". He even has told me if I choose to 'date' or have 1 'lover', he is ok with that. Any time I text him when he goes out of state I ask how his Mom is or say I hope your Mom is ok. He always says" Mom is ok, I'm busy have lots going on" Even when he is local he hardly contacts me unless its about him coming over to "play". At the same time he demonstrates he cares about my well being, says it's his "job" to look out for me. We are 'part time' Dom/sub because we both have family, jobs, ect obligations that make it difficult to be anything other than part time. Since I am new to this I don't know what to expect or how a 'part time' Dom/ sub relationship works. I appreciate all the feedback/ answers.



Ok, so you both are fuckbuddies. Why the hell would a fuckbuddy call you and include you at all unless he wants to fuck?? Why would he share the rest of his life with you?????

You DID agree to this.

You sound like you have changed your mind and want more than that but....I get the feeling you are married with kids and why it's "part time" and now you feel all lonely and stuff because you feel stuck in your deadend marriage.

I could be wrong but that's what I get from your posts.




lkb0503 -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/31/2012 4:00:31 AM)

UllrsIshtar: Thank you very much for the book list!! I have a nook e book, hopefully I can purchase some of these at Barnes and Noble.

Little Wonder: I am divorced I have 2 grand kids that live with me 2 days a week. They were living with me full time starting in 2007 until a couple of months ago when Dad has finally pulled his head out of his Arse.

I used the words "part time" from a guide I was reading which may not apply if I understand what you, Little Wonder and others has stated. Please excuse my non-knowledge, which is why I went looking for a forum, message board to learn more about the BDSM lifestyle. For many years I was only interested in, fantasized about spanking. I did not take this fantasy/ interest anywhere with the exception of reading until May of this year and I am 55 years old!!

My Dom never called our relationship 'part time' that is a word I used. However as I have began to understand is that it is a "booty call' as others has posted and I realize now what I want and need.
I plan to get this out in the open with my Dom asap. thanks for the brutal honesty!1 I needed it.




kalikshama -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/31/2012 5:24:57 AM)

quote:

I did get brave enough to ask if he aquired a girlfriend or wife while he was away. his answer: "No wife!! No g/f!! weird question"


Did you actually ask this question via TEXT? Cuz his answer sure reads like a text.

Have these conversations IN PERSON so you can observe his body language.




kalikshama -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/31/2012 5:28:33 AM)

quote:

This went on until about 6 pm, then poof! no more text.


His woman came home.




Fullfilher -> RE: New 'part time' sub seeks advice (8/31/2012 2:05:32 PM)

Well it sounds like you have found what you needed from the thread. Its been a long read this afternoon. But I would like to point out it doesn't sound like there is really a bad guy (or gal) here.

Have had to go spend a week with my mother earlier this year I can say it is entirely possible that his story is completely true. When she was in ICU and I was alone watching her it was pretty boring while she slept and I was texting a way with someone who had made the mistake of saying "I'm so sorry, Anything I can do?". Later however when she reacted to some of the painkillers by getting all paranoid-schizophrenic and thinking the hospital staff had kidnapped her and were holding her hostage, I didn't have time or energy for such things. And yes you could go away thinking it will be for a few days and it turns into a week or more. So the situation could be all on the up and up.

Either way though it does sound like you are playmates, f-buddies, or friends with kinky benefits; and you have now decided you want more. Good luck finding it.




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