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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 3:41:14 PM   
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I would question whether there is even such a thing as a "BDSM community."



I have made that same point more times than I can remember. Like you, I don't believe that there is a "BDSM community". But that's a discussion for another time.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 3:46:47 PM   
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After reading some of the posts... why does the old phrase "gold digger" come to mind? Not knocking anyone who does.....



I'll be honest with you. If I could get women to send me money simply in the hope that I MIGHT actually acknowledge their existence, I'd probably do it. Heck, some of these guys pay financial Dommes, knowing that they're going to be completely ignored by the Domme. It's a sweet gig, if you can get it.

This is my official announcement. I am now a "financial sub". Any Domme who wants to talk to me must first send me tribute. Then I'll decide if I'm going to respond to you or not.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 3:56:42 PM   
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lol.. good luck with that. Let me know how it turns out. Maybe I will join you.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 4:17:00 PM   
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After reading some of the posts... why does the old phrase "gold digger" come to mind? Not knocking anyone who does,,, or who wants go give...

That, I think, is the rub here. All of us males are familiar with that concept and generally we don't approve. But to me the phrase "gold digger" implies a woman who claims to love me so that I'll marry her but what she really wants is my money. I really don't get how that could apply in this case. As I understand it there is no dishonesty going on here. She wants money. He wants to pay money. It was always a financial transaction.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 4:19:32 PM   
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A young girl... an old man.... there are no illusions of love between the two when its strictly financial... that doesnt require a lifestyle tinge.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 4:31:27 PM   
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A young girl... an old man.... there are no illusions of love between the two when its strictly financial... that doesnt require a lifestyle tinge.

And I have no issue with some rich old guy and some pretty young woman who are upfront with each other and decide to form a relationship on that basis. I would not refer to her as a "gold digger".


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 4:34:01 PM   
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Lol... I would. But I would be more like... you go girl! Then again, I dont see the term slut as derogatory either.

Im not saying there is anything wrong with people doing this. Im just saying its as old as time, its to be expected, for someone to act like this is all new, sudden and illegal is rather funny.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 6:28:59 PM   
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I feel like you explain things very well, too, actually, but thanks! :)




Aww thanks!!
Redmagic, you're definitely right. There are soooo many sections that would have to be broken down into.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/21/2012 9:10:32 PM   
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But I did want to say one thing to your question about what degrees in BDSM does one receive...I wish Lady Pact was in this discussion. There may not be a piece of paper that says diploma on it, but there are tons and tons of classes and workshops etc that pros do attend to learn and further safety education and play education. So yes, there are things to attend and learn from. I'm sure there are quite a few Dommes who have taught and attended. Just wanted to through that out there.
Sorry I'm late.

I will say that I see pro and fin as two different things. Just like there are all different types of pros, there are all different types of fins as well. I think it will take some luck to get different designations for different types. Pros have been around longer and they still pretty much go under the title of pro domme, rather than pro top (for S/m) or pro fetishist (latex, etc).

However, K made a very good point. A lot of people tend to forget just how much these folks are a part of the community and what contributions they have made. Do people even realize how many of those classes are given and/or attended by pros? The events that they help to sponsor or clubs that they own? Look at the success of DomCon alone. How can people not call that legitimate?



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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 6:29:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

A lot of people tend to forget just how much these folks are a part of the community and what contributions they have made. Do people even realize how many of those classes are given and/or attended by pros? The events that they help to sponsor or clubs that they own? Look at the success of DomCon alone. How can people not call that legitimate?



Excellent point, LadyPact!

Many people got their first introduction to D/s from famous pro Dommes.

I remember reading DDI magazine back in the day. Most of the ladies in there were pros.

I also remember watching videos by well-known pros like Irene Boss. And one of the first D/s websites that I remember was the old Fetish Network that was run by Goddess Dianna Vesta. Even the majority of the ladies listed in the old Domme directories like Max Fisch or Dickie Virgin were pro Dommes.

Many of us learned a lot from ladies like those. And they were definitely active parts of the BDSM community. In fact, without them, there might not be a BDSM community today.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 10:48:10 AM   
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In UK its illegal comes under vagrancy act !809. Its classed as extortion or begging. And if thats the only way a Domme can get a sub she should give up and turn her crops in to recycling

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 11:55:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CORYVAR

In UK its illegal comes under vagrancy act !809. Its classed as extortion or begging. And if thats the only way a Domme can get a sub she should give up and turn her crops in to recycling



Less then 20 years ago, people were were being jailed for consensual BDSM acts between adults in the UK. Do you really believe that any government should dictate to you what goes on in your own home or bedroom ?

That seems to be what you advocate. A law passed in 1809 does not make it right now. 20 poor children in the US died because of the inability of certain people to move out of the wild west of the 19th century.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 12:39:44 PM   
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In UK its illegal comes under vagrancy act !809. Its classed as extortion or begging.

and in the US all of SM is illegal. That, in and of itself, is not a compelling argument.

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And if thats the only way a Domme can get a sub she should give up and turn her crops in to recycling

Really? I'm not naive. I get what you're saying. But let's look at that proposition from two different angles.

A) What makes you think that's the only way she can get a sub?
As I understand it many of the pro-dommes are also lifestyle dommes in their personal life. They've created their life in such a way as the personal and professional fits together into one nice neat whole. That's not so incomprehensible, is it?

B) Even if it's true, does that really matter?
So she gets her kicks and/or income from only taking mens' money. There are men who wish to offer money for this service. Why then must she turn in her crops? Why can't she use them to get her rocks off and/or make an income while satisfying some customer's need?

PS: I'm taking wh0re up on his suggestion and I've decided I'm officially becoming a pro/fin domme protector. So if any of you pro/fin dommes want to send me some amazon gift cards I'll be happy to pop onto any threads and "protect" you.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 1:28:13 PM   
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LOL Jeff

Funny, insightful and actually bang on target Mr.

Zara

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 2:14:44 PM   
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20 poor children in the US died because of the inability of certain people to move out of the wild west of the 19th century.


They died because a mentally ill young man killed his mother and stole her guns. CT has strong gun control laws.

3500 human beings die every day in the US to abortion, but I see very few people on this site up in arms about that.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 2:20:01 PM   
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While the discussion has naturally included some comments about laws, please try to refrain from bringing in these other topics that could derail the thread due to current events.

Thank you

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 2:58:06 PM   
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As far as I can tell from countless searches, financial domination IS legal so long as it's consensual and all income is reported on your taxes.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 3:51:36 PM   
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I just find this whole conversation so funny. Those who are complaining about how these poor men were seduced and forced to pay the woman is just funny. Did these girls physically reach into your pocket and steal your wallet? I mean, you guys are adults. You don't know how to say....NO???? You don't know how to keep your money in your pocket and bank account?? If not, you need to go before the courts and get yourself a guardian.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/22/2012 4:09:04 PM   
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It's good that there are Pro-Dommes. I don't feel a financial Domme is less dominant, it's just not my thing. There is no physical sacrifice put out by the sub. Blah blah, I know he works for it, so there is effort, but I'd rather have the work over the money. Besides, for some, they've been able to buy whatever they want, so why should those with financial capital win out over subs with kink capital? We have stratification all around us, no need for it to win out here as well. Later on, financial tribute isn't an issue, but involves work, fear, and pain to get there.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 12/23/2012 4:49:37 PM   
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It's a matter of opinion more than anything. As far as I know there's no supreme BDSM council to assert legitimacy to it. My opinion though, legitimate or not, it's a practice or concept riddled with feasibility and legal issues too numerous and boring for me to list. On top of that, I can't help thinking how pathetic it is... On the part of both parties. In an ideal world I'd try to be understanding and say 'to each his or her own', but realistically I believe most people are on the same page as me, it is pathetic, and cheapens the legitimacy of the lifestyle as a whole in the eyes of the world.


Financial Domination isn't pathetic. It's exciting. I feel a rush when I'm getting in someones head, figuring them out and learning what buttons to push for desired reactions and results. I micro-manage their lives, I give instructions, I meet in real time and I show them that I am every bit as genuine as they are. I get to know them, form a bond, gain their trust, all the while consuming their thoughts. My subs want nothing more than to see me smile. They come to me, begging to work extra shifts or overtime so that they can lay cash at my feet and give me things. They want to give. It excites them to do this. It is not forced or coerced, it's consensual and mutually satisfying.

There's often more to these relationships than meets the eye, but outsiders don't know that and they don't care to ask, either. They only see bratty newbies looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and these fakers shouldn't define those of us who don't abuse the kink or those of us that truly have this fetish.

I, for one, am tired of being lumped together with prostitutes, bratty princesses and pro-Dommes. I have no issue with any of these things, except for the ones that are never heard from again after payment has been sent. They all serve a real purpose, but none of them are financial Dommes.


FD couldn't possibly cheapen the legitimacy of the lifestyle as a whole in the eyes of the world because aside from the lovers of 50 Shades of Grey, the eyes of the world are pretty closed to BDSM. I'd guess that the majority of the world, the ones that are not open to BDSM, aren't going to be opposed to just finDommes, they're likely going to be opposed to the lifestyle as a whole.



Every concept past present or future will bring with it people so obstinately opposed that they can never be expected to consider its merits or recognize its legitimacy. That's simply not most people though. Most people are naturally more likely to see things more objectively initially, with a method pretty similar to a cost benefit analysis. That being said, as a proponent of BDSM, what would you prefer it's first impression to an outsider would be? I'm just saying it's a damn good thing I read stories before I found this place, otherwise I can say pretty safely that the scammers, pro-Dommes, princesses, etc. would've scared me off. I get that most girls want to feel special, be spoiled, and treated like princesses (it's like sorority relations 101), however; those are non-ideal representatives for two critical reasons:
1) it's an ends-justify-means mentality. They in all likelihood have little to no legitimate interest in BDSM and are more concerned with the aforementioned rewards. You also have to admit, if you're looking to run a sexually based ploy, this is the number one place to find the target audience with the right lack of self-confidence and abundance of desire
2) from a legal and practical perspective, it is bordering on prostitution, namely the sale of sexual services, which by being a form of fetish, a sexual desire, it becomes self-damning as a practice ( something I find hilariously ironic )


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