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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/7/2013 11:06:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, yes, they are just a mountain of masculine stoicism while being insecure ponces that they have to waste money on the local stripper to escort them to a bingo hall.

Why be negative? Come now, this entire "financial" side of things is so laughable that the fact anybody attempts to lend it an air of credibility is unadulterated absurdity.

Now go and tell me I am jealous/ignorant or whatever the mental offended financial domme flowchart dictates.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:03:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, I'm am no ones puppet. The thread has been here for a number of days. If you choose to stay ignorant to fact that is entirely up to you.

By the way, I love bingo.

Those who can't do...teach. Those that can't afford it...bitch.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:57:48 AM   
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So what I'm wondering is how is it possible to be an online sugar baby? Would you mind explaining that? Financial domination, sugar baby/daddy relationships, etc. are fascinating to me, although I'm probably not cut out for either situation.


I'm going to take a stab at this and say I think he gives her money or gifts for being the young, hot thing that he can show off on his profile and she gives him cyber and phone sex, tells him how hot and smart he is. She gives him all the compliments he wants to boost his ego and self esteem.




I've never been a sugar baby, it's never really been my thing, but I do know two delightful women who are IRL sugar babies. They've never had real/cyber/phone sex with their sugar daddies. Sure, an element to it is them being hot and/or young, but mostly what it comes down to is they're companions to some lonely older men who have cash to burn and like to see a pretty girl smile.



I do not know if I would consider them "men."


Why wouldn't you consider them men? As far as anyone knows these particular sugar daddies have male genitalia or live as/identify as men. I'd guess that they'd qualify as men from that alone.


Can you be sure? I mean, supposedly your gal-pals never had romps with them so it remains nebulous. I wager their reproductive organ is a perfect reflection of their pride, har-har.


Well, they either have male genitalia or identify/live as males. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. The size of said reproductive organ is fairly irrelevant to this conversation and honestly, bringing it up is pretty childish.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 1:00:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Ah, yes, they are just a mountain of masculine stoicism while being insecure ponces that they have to waste money on the local stripper to escort them to a bingo hall.

Why be negative? Come now, this entire "financial" side of things is so laughable that the fact anybody attempts to lend it an air of credibility is unadulterated absurdity.

Now go and tell me I am jealous/ignorant or whatever the mental offended financial domme flowchart dictates.


So long as nobody is spending your money on their sugar baby, I'm not sure why you'd even think twice about it.

You don't have to like, participate in or even respect financial domination. You're either into it or you're not. Nobody is forcing you to participate in this thread and by spouting off about how 'laughable' it is, you're only making yourself sound petty and frankly, that's pretty ridiculous.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 9:07:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Financial Domination is a needed tactic with some subs. Some people are so attached to their money that it gets in the way of serving their Dom. It should be used as tool to help encourage proper sub behavior. Be careful however bc the responsibility of of taking care of their own money should be given back and monitored well before releasing a sub back to the world. Nothing is worse than taking someones ability to care for them self but not doing it for them properly. As always, talk with your sub and see if they are ready to give in more. I recomend at least gifting them with a cell phone if they are to leave or live in another home. It is a nice way of saying that they are to stay in touch, and a way to encourage having their own life. Financial domination comes with a large burden. Most subs (not slaves) that I know have every intention of keeping their own job, goals, education, and daily expenses for themselves. If all income is to be taken away then the Dom MUST have self discipline and use all of the money to support the goals of the sub and keep those goals intact. Otherwise it is just plain irresponsible.

This would not be appropriate if the Dom is a broke joke. unless of course the sub wants to completely support you then. OK!

Also if some other poorly behaved troll thinks that they should tell you what works and tries to insult an important tool in a Dom's toolbox don't worry about it. Some people just think that they are wise but are instead rude, uneducated, and self promoting.
Another note: If money is so important to my sub that it gets in the way then it becomes mine, just like tv or internet, or a cell phone or anything else.

If you are in fact bothered by the idea then bugger off like everyone who thinks that spanking and bondage are gross. I don't really care what ppl think of what I do. The only opinion that matters is that of my sub. If he/she has trouble with money and needs to surrender the control of it to me, I will.

The Dom chooses the submission to be done.
The sub chooses if they will submit.
this = happiness, anything else is criminal, it's not hard to figure out.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 11:23:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you're too fragile to deal with opinions which don't flatter your pretensions then calling yourself dominant is a neat piece of self-delusion.

NocturnalStalker is mild. Thank your lucky stars I wasn't involved in the discussion. It wouldn't be the ludicrous free-for-all exercise in self-justification that it's become.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 11:37:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Jeff I know.

And TAFKAA, No one is saying just because he doesn't agree with what I say, he is wrong. I'm saying because he and others like him refuse to face facts they are wrong. Meaning, I do not extort anyone, they offer Me money before I have even exchanged so much as a "hello". This is a fact. I do not have sex for money, there for I am not a prostitute, that is also a fact. One cannot, in this alternative lifestyle, say my kink is ok, yours isn't. That would only make them self delusional. And I know that you and I haven't interacted on these forums hardly at all, but perhaps you should read some of My previous posts before you assume I am anything near fragile. But that was cute.

Oh and please, do include yourself, we welcome all opinions here.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 11:38:39 AM   
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When I was deciding what I wanted to call myself here, I was torn between "Horny Net Geek" or "Fake Dom." HNG has worked out pretty well for me, because every once in a while, the comments are hilarious.

On topic:

There are certainly plenty of women in the world with kidnap-and-rape fantasies. I have no doubt there are men with extortion fantasies. Personally, I enjoy giving women gifts. I enjoy giving men gifts too, though, so I don't think it's sexual for me. It's fun!

I am certain there are fin addicts, much as there are sex addicts. I'm also certain there are women who take advantage of male fin addicts, and get them to spend way beyond their means. There's even a name for that: rinsers. And, yes, that seems like an abusive relationship to me, regardless of verbally stated consent. But hell. Many vanilla couples engage in some form of findom, because one person deals with the finances and the other does not. This "findom" thing is an extremely common situation, and has been for thousands of years. The controversial aspect here is "findomme" with an M-E at the end of the word.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 11:42:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you RedMagic, in some shape or form there has always been someone in charge of finances.
On the rinser topic, I think that is what people like Myself, Allison and a few other of My fin Domme friends try to separate themselves from. I am not knocking what they do, as I'm sure, as you said, there are people who are into that sort of thing. Just isn't how I do things.
I also know a couple of subs who are very much into that. They just enjoy spoiling those types of bratty princess types. My thing is though, if they would stick around they would get more. But often they disappear.

Squaw: I was able to get extortionist in lol. I'm not sure the number of characters, but I had to erase the "stylist for Pro subs R us" :(
We should petition for longer characters!!

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 11:50:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA

If you're too fragile to deal with opinions which don't flatter your pretensions then calling yourself dominant is a neat piece of self-delusion.

NocturnalStalker is mild. Thank your lucky stars I wasn't involved in the discussion. It wouldn't be the ludicrous free-for-all exercise in self-justification that it's become.



FACTS:
I don't have sex for money, so I am not a prostitute.
ETA: In fact I'm not even nude in my sessions. Nor is there sexual contact.
In-fact I have NEVER had sex with one of my personal subs.

I'm not guilty of extortion.
I do NOT obtain money, property, or services from anyone using coercion or lies.

I am not a con artist.
I do not pretend to be someone or something I am not.
Unless I am role playing but eh that is a different topic.

So please educate me.
How is what NS says anything close to factual or the truth?

BTW... TNDK and the other's participating in this thread are anything but fragile.
Truth of the matter, the findommes and pros on this forum take a brow beating from folks like you all the time.
Not only are we still here, but we aren't changing who or what we are to suite YOU.

I personally welcome you to the discussion, not that you needed my invitation. Lol
You don't have to like this fetish, but it is a fetish.
You don't have to like pros but we have EVERY right to be here.
Why?
We are part of the lifestyle scene, like it or not.

You're choice is to participate in the fetish or not.
You're choice is to use a pros services.
You don't get to make that choice for other's though.

Sorry.






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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:18:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think this is a great post and interesting read. My intial point is i agree with everything TNDommeK has stated because She is always right, perfect in every way and i adore Her.

From a sub/slave perspective ...... the number one good feeling from a skilled FinDom to a slave is TPE. Pure and legitmate form of Ds. For me giving up control of something so impactful to your daily life takes sacrifice and suffering to a whole new level. Being told you can or can not spend money on something, big or small is a huge power exchange, especially for someone that had that control themsleves for all or part of thier life. Much of it for me is strict verbal expectations and lectures, being taught to get by with less, so She can have more. Only works for me if She is skilled, doesnt actually need your money, builds trust and values you as a person who she will micromage for Her benefit, but would never ruin you.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:40:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know a woman, who has a sugar daddy.
He is a 67 year old widower.
His wife had died almost 10 years ago.
He couldn't date again.
However, he did want some companionship and conversation with a woman.
Nothing sorted or sexual. Purely platonic companionship.
So he made an arrangement with her.
He pays her a monthly allowance.
She calls him almost every other day, if not every day for simple conversation.
They meet for dinner at his favorite restaurant every other Saturday for dinner.
Sometimes they go watch a play.


I think the relationship her and him have is beautiful.
I think it serves a purpose beyond her getting an allowance.
And I think his motives behind it are pretty damn romantic.



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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:44:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		See that is sweet. It seems to be a great arrangement. Hell even if they did have a sexual arrangement, who are we to judge?

Although I think being a sugar baby is totally different than being a fin Domme.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:47:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

I know a woman, who has a sugar daddy.
He is a 67 year old widower.
His wife had died almost 10 years ago.
He couldn't date again.
However, he did want some companionship and conversation with a woman.
Nothing sorted or sexual. Purely platonic companionship.
So he made an arrangement with her.
He pays her a monthly allowance.
She calls him almost every other day, if not every day for simple conversation.
They meet for dinner at his favorite restaurant every other Saturday for dinner.
Sometimes they go watch a play.


I think the relationship her and him have is beautiful.
I think it serves a purpose beyond her getting an allowance.
And I think his motives behind it are pretty damn romantic.




Nothing screams romance like paying for feigned attention.

Truthfully, when I read this I said one thing in my mind:

"He must really suck at talking to other people."

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:52:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker


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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

I know a woman, who has a sugar daddy.
He is a 67 year old widower.
His wife had died almost 10 years ago.
He couldn't date again.
However, he did want some companionship and conversation with a woman.
Nothing sorted or sexual. Purely platonic companionship.
So he made an arrangement with her.
He pays her a monthly allowance.
She calls him almost every other day, if not every day for simple conversation.
They meet for dinner at his favorite restaurant every other Saturday for dinner.
Sometimes they go watch a play.


I think the relationship her and him have is beautiful.
I think it serves a purpose beyond her getting an allowance.
And I think his motives behind it are pretty damn romantic.




Nothing screams romance like paying for feigned attention.

Truthfully, when I read this I said one thing in my mind:

"He must really suck at talking to other people."


But he talked to the girl he has the arrangement with, so how does he suck at talking to people?


If you were going to pay me to talk to you, I'd be listening as well.

Continue this string of obvious stupidity and I may have to charge you, regardless!


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 12:56:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker


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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

I know a woman, who has a sugar daddy.
He is a 67 year old widower.
His wife had died almost 10 years ago.
He couldn't date again.
However, he did want some companionship and conversation with a woman.
Nothing sorted or sexual. Purely platonic companionship.
So he made an arrangement with her.
He pays her a monthly allowance.
She calls him almost every other day, if not every day for simple conversation.
They meet for dinner at his favorite restaurant every other Saturday for dinner.
Sometimes they go watch a play.


I think the relationship her and him have is beautiful.
I think it serves a purpose beyond her getting an allowance.
And I think his motives behind it are pretty damn romantic.




Nothing screams romance like paying for feigned attention.

Truthfully, when I read this I said one thing in my mind:

"He must really suck at talking to other people."


But he talked to the girl he has the arrangement with, so how does he suck at talking to people?


Nope he is great at communicating with others.

Had no issue at all approaching her about this.
Or explaining exactly what he wanted from it or what he could offer her.

Edited for typos. Lol








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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 1:11:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

I know a woman, who has a sugar daddy.
He is a 67 year old widower.
His wife had died almost 10 years ago.
He couldn't date again.
However, he did want some companionship and conversation with a woman.
Nothing sorted or sexual. Purely platonic companionship.
So he made an arrangement with her.
He pays her a monthly allowance.
She calls him almost every other day, if not every day for simple conversation.
They meet for dinner at his favorite restaurant every other Saturday for dinner.
Sometimes they go watch a play.


I think the relationship her and him have is beautiful.
I think it serves a purpose beyond her getting an allowance.
And I think his motives behind it are pretty damn romantic.




Nothing screams romance like paying for feigned attention.

Truthfully, when I read this I said one thing in my mind:

"He must really suck at talking to other people."


But he talked to the girl he has the arrangement with, so how does he suck at talking to people?


Nope he is great at communicating with others.

Had no issue at all approaching her about this.
Or explaining exactly what he wanted from it or what he could offer her.

Edited for typos. Lol









But do you see how illogical this sounds? If he is fantastic at communicating with others, why would he need to dangle a carrot-on-a-stick for her? This is why I find it ultimately pointless to speak to you since I know you're going to just keep babbling on and modifying what is said to benefit your stance regardless of any authenticity your statements hold. The end result will be you running us in circles until one of the draconian mods come to intervene (likely on your behalf if history is any indication).

Personally, I think the men involved in this are creepy curs that couldn't enchant a woman if they had Merlin's wand.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 1:15:58 PM   
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To get back on topic:

The male slaves that I chose, are those that are usually in charge on a day to day basis. They are men who normally do not submit to others. They are far from weak, as it takes a strong person to submit completely to a TPE relationship. Most male slaves I encounter and take on, are the strongest caliber of men in every day society. Like I said before, I want to know I have conquered a champion, not a bench warmer.

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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 1:20:17 PM   
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But do you see how illogical this sounds? If he is fantastic at communicating with others, why would he need to dangle a carrot-on-a-stick for her? This is why I find it ultimately pointless to speak to you since I know you're going to just keep babbling on and modifying what is said to benefit your stance regardless of any authenticity your statements hold. The end result will be you running us in circles until one of the draconian mods come to intervene (likely on your behalf if history is any indication).

Personally, I think the men involved in this are creepy curs that couldn't enchant a woman if they had Merlin's wand.


You're right.
I will continue to stand my ground on what I believe and think.
Why?
Well it's called being true to myself.
There are many things in my life I will not compromise on.
And here is a news flash I don't apologize for that.

I am curious though...
Why is this relationship not authentic?
Because it doesn't meet YOUR definition of what a relationship is?
Why the childish, grammar school insults?
Does it make you feel good about yourself?


I am sorry to break it to you.
I don't expect the mods to protect me from the likes of you or those like you.
Those that throw childish insults at me or at other's for taking part in fetishes such as financial domination or even a sugar daddy/sugar baby relationship. Or being a pro.

You would know that if you actually READ and comprehended what I typed instead of just jumping up and down and throwing a tantrum like a child because other people don't live in a manner that YOU dictate for them.


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RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? - 1/8/2013 1:20:54 PM   
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From a sub/slave perspective ...... the number one good feeling from a skilled FinDom to a slave is TPE. Pure and legitmate form of Ds. For me giving up control of something so impactful to your daily life takes sacrifice and suffering to a whole new level. Being told you can or can not spend money on something, big or small is a huge power exchange, especially for someone that had that control themsleves for all or part of thier life. Much of it for me is strict verbal expectations and lectures, being taught to get by with less, so She can have more. Only works for me if She is skilled, doesnt actually need your money, builds trust and values you as a person who she will micromage for Her benefit, but would never ruin you.


Excellent point. It's nice to see a submissive's perspective, given with detail. Not enough of you subs speak up about the specific details of how a Dominant's treatment impacts you psychologically, what EFFECTS it has, and your resulting feeling of benefit.

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