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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 8:10:43 AM   
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That, of course, brings up yet a new problem. We don't have a punishment dynamic but now that I own her again I have to give careful consideration to the fact that I was planning on having 1-2 weeks of fun with this and she just ruined it. Maybe I should post out on general and solicit for ways to punish my slave?



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I can think of many many ways.
One thing I suggest you DON'T do is the "you were bad so I'm gonna ignore you" punishment. But I doubt that even crossed your mind.
Being out of "role" for a couple of weeks has my brain going to some very dark places lately. Maybe I'm not the right one to respond .... or maybe I am LOL.

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 8:49:05 AM   
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I think Carol should have to ask you for stuff. Like sammiches.

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 9:14:43 AM   
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I think Carol should have to ask you for stuff. Like sammiches.

I could make it so that she's not allowed to cook or clean for a week and any time she wants to eat or wants some fresh clothes she has to <insert horrified look here> impose on me to get it!

That may be too harsh for this infraction though.

I gotta admit, our little sojourn back to vanilla-land didn't last as long as I'd hoped and was just as undramatic as me posting this thread in "casual banter" implies.


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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 9:17:57 AM   
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Aww, I like that idea!! Wouldn't it be a hoot for a half hour or so? Hee!!

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 9:23:18 AM   
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This is your lucky day! Later last night Carol had apparently given the state of her freedom all the pondering it required (you'd think something like that might take more than 24 hours) and determined that reinforcing our dynamic is the way to go. *blinks* ??huh?? That whole gig about you chicks being mysterious and inscrutable? I've never bought that but man... how you get from "maybe I don't want to be owned" to "let's make me more owned" in 24 hours is, if nothing else, a serious head fake.


I get it. I get exactly what Carol went through there. I've been there. Maybe I do have something in common with Carol after all?

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That, of course, brings up yet a new problem. We don't have a punishment dynamic but now that I own her again I have to give careful consideration to the fact that I was planning on having 1-2 weeks of fun with this and she just ruined it. Maybe I should post out on general and solicit for ways to punish my slave?



I think you should make her make all decisions for the household for the next week.

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 9:24:38 AM   
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Am I the only one who sees Carol as the Vera Peterson of the forums?



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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 9:25:44 AM   
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Who is Vera Peterson?

ETA! DUH! And so not true, she HAS been seen in these here parts... rarely. Very very rarely. Hmmmmm...

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 9:32:36 AM   
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And Vera called the bar once, even had a few lines....but was never seen...
(Unless I'm mistaken, didn't she once get nominated for an emmy?)

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 9:53:43 AM   
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And Vera called the bar once, even had a few lines....but was never seen...(Unless I'm mistaken, didn't she once get nominated for an emmy?)

*laughs* CarolBC is actually my sock puppet and in real life I'm single.

The real truth is that I'm a hot female 22 year old bisexual canadian looking for a poly family to train me. Hrrrrmmmm... perhaps my marketing strategy needs some review though.

And now... the exciting conclusion to this whole non-drama...

As it turns out, I had mistaken the very first conversation between her and I. I had said something to her about being uncertain where our dynamic was somewhere during the blur of that last fundraiser project and while she was travelling. I forgot about it but she had given that matter thought. As I learned last night, her thought wasn't in the direction of "freedom" but more in the "what can we do to bolster the dynamic". But when she told me she was "thinking about our dynamic" I naturally adopted a totally neutral stance and began planning for any required transition (in accordance with the promises I've always made her that there was no penalty attached to "not being mine"). All of which, I think, confused the heck out of her *laughs*.

Basically, the two of us were burnt out badly and just not communicating clearly. It would have been funny even had it gone how I thought but now I'm doubly glad I posted this in casual banter.

edited to add:
That still leaves us with the interesting problem of "strengthening our dynamic". That is probably a real thread and maybe I'll post over on general for that one.

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 10:06:29 AM   
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By the way, did your fundraiser come off OK? Did you meet all your targets?

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 10:12:53 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana
And Vera called the bar once, even had a few lines....but was never seen...(Unless I'm mistaken, didn't she once get nominated for an emmy?)

*laughs* CarolBC is actually my sock puppet and in real life I'm single.

The real truth is that I'm a hot female 22 year old bisexual canadian looking for a poly family to train me. Hrrrrmmmm... perhaps my marketing strategy needs some review though.

And now... the exciting conclusion to this whole non-drama...

As it turns out, I had mistaken the very first conversation between her and I. I had said something to her about being uncertain where our dynamic was somewhere during the blur of that last fundraiser project and while she was travelling. I forgot about it but she had given that matter thought. As I learned last night, her thought wasn't in the direction of "freedom" but more in the "what can we do to bolster the dynamic". But when she told me she was "thinking about our dynamic" I naturally adopted a totally neutral stance and began planning for any required transition (in accordance with the promises I've always made her that there was no penalty attached to "not being mine"). All of which, I think, confused the heck out of her *laughs*.

Basically, the two of us were burnt out badly and just not communicating clearly. It would have been funny even had it gone how I thought but now I'm doubly glad I posted this in casual banter.

edited to add:
That still leaves us with the interesting problem of "strengthening our dynamic". That is probably a real thread and maybe I'll post over on general for that one.



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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 10:13:09 AM   
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I think... ( well, dont take my advice coz i was not in a same situation)..

tell her that she is free to chose what she wanted although I (you) would like us to be togther.

from what i am understanding this she want to stay.. but wanted to invite her to stay..

again (dont take my advice coz i was not in a same situation)

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 10:18:08 AM   
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By the way, did your fundraiser come off OK? Did you meet all your targets?

Primary Objective: community awareness. That was a bigger win that we could have hoped.
Secondary Objective: raise funds. We had too many last minute and major "problems" to really succeed at that. We're in the black but not by what we'd hoped.

As a humanitarian I'm calling it a clean win and feeling pretty good about myself. As a project manager... not so much. So it's a mixed bag for me. Everyone else is thrilled.


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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 10:22:39 AM   
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Isn't being a human being fun?

*laughs* yeah. Even after living together for 18 years this stuff still happens. Real communication is always a challenge. On the bright side though, we floated through the whole thing with nary a ripple which is kind of cool. That speaks of how tight we are as a team. I often think that I'm most proud of us at our down points.

In the end the entire thing, no matter what interpretation was correct, was a tempest in a teapot. Carol and I both agree that it IS possible for us to adjust our dynamic. But really the available interval is between 98% and 100%. There just isn't that much "give" in the system. That's what I learned from the last time(s) that she or I tried to "call it quits" for whatever reasons. Technically, it was always me "calling it quits" but sometimes it was on queues from her I found troubling and sometimes for my own reasons. I learned that was a stupid play... akin to declaring that I should sprout wings and fly.


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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 10:26:23 AM   
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That still leaves us with the interesting problem of "strengthening our dynamic". That is probably a real thread and maybe I'll post over on general for that one.


I highly recommend an intensive diet of brutal sodomy.
Works wonders for us to remind her of her place :-0

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 10:47:51 AM   
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In the end the entire thing, no matter what interpretation was correct, was a tempest in a teapot. Carol and I both agree that it IS possible for us to adjust our dynamic. But really the available interval is between 98% and 100%. There just isn't that much "give" in the system. That's what I learned from the last time(s) that she or I tried to "call it quits" for whatever reasons. Technically, it was always me "calling it quits" but sometimes it was on queues from her I found troubling and sometimes for my own reasons. I learned that was a stupid play... akin to declaring that I should sprout wings and fly.

OK. Now it's time to be serious.
You ain't alone here. Our dynamic is always shifting. Sometimes it's internal stuff with one or both of us. Often, external stuff crashes in and in dealing with the disaster or crisis or whatever, the wheels kinda slip off the tracks, the motors aren't firing on all cylinders and next thing ya know, we both aren't too happy.

So we sit down, or more properly, I sit and she kneels, and discuss it. Generally during these discussions the rules are she can say anything with no fear of reciprocity. I want open honest discussion. It's also understood that the final decision is mine and mine alone.
And we've had these on big things, ideas that have shifted our entire relationship.

Example-a few years back she was going through a whole lotta life changes and just couldn't take hard pain play. It started slow and then crept in, growing as it went until it was affecting what we did together.

At which point we talked.

And the result was that we shifted to a much more mental/emotional/spiritual groove of BDSM than physical. I shifted from pure physical sadism to hard mind fucks,tightened my grip some and established stronger control of some non-BDSm areas of her life that she had hitherto enjoyed autonomy in, and, most of all, really started doing heavy D/S.
We do much more extensive depersonalization, owner/property, Master/meat sort of stuff than we ever did. My controls have been much tighter, I give less latitude than I did a few years ago. Accountability levels and expectations have gone up. We do the "it" thing a whole lot more often. She spends more time bound now, also gagged, and wears her collar a whole lot more.

All sorts of little things-all arranged to keep that level of control in place, that bubble of slavery that travels with her wherever she goes...because in the end servitude is a mental thing far more than physical.

I found new ways to get in her head. I've found new fears and also new desires. I've found ways to make our relationship immensely stronger and for the two of us to entwine deeper around each other.
All of which started with that one conversation.

So yeah, relationships are living things. They are born, they blossom, they bloom, and they go through seasons of triumph and tragedy, ebb and flow, and need room to grow organically in response to the shifting dynamics.
And that's a good thing.
A wise man told me long ago, "The only constant in life is change."

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 11:03:19 AM   
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This thread is taking a turn into the serious and possibly useful to me and others so I've dragged the non-humorous part of it out into general. Can I get you to copy your answer to that thread Kana? Personally, I think this sort of discussion which shows some of the "soft underbelly" of even high-functioning relationships is really useful. And your post here has sparked some ideas in my head. I'd just rather talk about them out in the serious side.

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 11:36:30 AM   
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Feel free. When I post something I assume it's Public Domain

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 1:26:02 PM   
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I hate when I read the second thread you posted first. I went backwards. Oh well.

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RE: Well damn. Carol slipped her collar again. - 8/30/2012 2:19:51 PM   
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As it turns out, I had mistaken the very first conversation between her and I. I had said something to her about being uncertain where our dynamic was somewhere during the blur of that last fundraiser project and while she was travelling. I forgot about it but she had given that matter thought. As I learned last night, her thought wasn't in the direction of "freedom" but more in the "what can we do to bolster the dynamic". But when she told me she was "thinking about our dynamic" I naturally adopted a totally neutral stance and began planning for any required transition (in accordance with the promises I've always made her that there was no penalty attached to "not being mine"). All of which, I think, confused the heck out of her *laughs*.



That sounds SO familiar...

Him: get stressed/grumpy/busy... lets things slack
Me: gets more defensive, domineering, independent
Him: backs off because he's trying to make me happy and I don't seem to be in the mood
Me: gets more and more annoyed, frustrated and grumpy
Him: backs off more

Until we finally talk, and it turns out that he read all my "I need you to step up more" signals as "back the fuck off" signals.

Or... we'll have one of our relationship-status-updates talks, which go like

Me: I want X
Him: okay then I'll...
Me: *interrupting* no I want the complete opposite
Him: okay then I'll...
Me: no never mind, I want X after all...
Me: or no, I want the opposite, but only if A, B and C
Him: *sigh* I'll just back off... because I don't want to force this on you, and I want you to be happy...
Me: That's not what I want at all!!!!

I've finally gotten to the point where I've put my foot down. I decided that I'm simple NOT going to tell him what I want anymore. It's not productive at all, because it makes him second guess all the time whether or not he's doing the right thing for *us*, which just makes everything more complicated. In the end, if he is going to be the man we both want him to be... whether or not I allow/consent to/want him to do whatever it is he wants to do... shouldn't really matter at all. And therefore, there's no point in me even telling him what it is that I think I may want right now, or 5 minutes from now.



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