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dom2ownboi -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/30/2012 11:12:14 PM)

And then there was Romney's speech tonight. Amongst all the rhetoric and distortions, and what some would call simply political stump talk, he lied as well. He said gas prices has doubled under Obama.....

Average nationwide gas prices Aug 2008 $3.88 and August 2012 $3.64 So that what double means......

btw the figure for Aug 2000 is $1.46

(source EIA.gov)




subrob1967 -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/30/2012 11:52:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dom2ownboi

And then there was Romney's speech tonight. Amongst all the rhetoric and distortions, and what some would call simply political stump talk, he lied as well. He said gas prices has doubled under Obama.....

Average nationwide gas prices Aug 2008 $3.88 and August 2012 $3.64 So that what double means......

btw the figure for Aug 2000 is $1.46

(source EIA.gov)


That's nice and all, but Obama wasn't President in Aug of 2008, GWB was. Obama took office Jan 20th 2009... So I guess Romney isn't the only one who is typing rhetoric and distortions.

The average price on Jan 20th was $1.84 a gallon
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2009-01-20/news/30893692_1_gasoline-prices-gallon-marketwatch




subrob1967 -> RE: Ryan Electrilies: "We can do this!" (8/30/2012 11:56:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Unfortunately Eastwood looked like an Alzheimer patient who forgot his medication... He did zing Biden pretty good though.

I was disappointed in Eastwood.

He looked like he wasn't all there. It's a damn shame.


I was too, I was expecting a fiery Charlton Heston NRA type speech, not some ad libbed, off the cuff poorly executed comedy speech... His line about Biden was funny though.




Lucylastic -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 12:15:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: dom2ownboi

And then there was Romney's speech tonight. Amongst all the rhetoric and distortions, and what some would call simply political stump talk, he lied as well. He said gas prices has doubled under Obama.....

Average nationwide gas prices Aug 2008 $3.88 and August 2012 $3.64 So that what double means......

btw the figure for Aug 2000 is $1.46

(source EIA.gov)


That's nice and all, but Obama wasn't President in Aug of 2008, GWB was. Obama took office Jan 20th 2009... So I guess Romney isn't the only one who is typing rhetoric and distortions.

The average price on Jan 20th was $1.84 a gallon



Amazing how that dropped from 4.11 a gallon july.. and shot up again just after he lost.... what a shock!!!!!
Shenanigans afoot no doubt, * unsurprising*




subrob1967 -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 12:18:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Amazing how that dropped from 4.11 a gallon july.. and shot up again just after he lost.... what a shock!!!!!
Shenanigans afoot no doubt, * unsurprising*


Probably, but it makes Romney's statement true, doesn't it?




Lucylastic -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 12:40:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Amazing how that dropped from 4.11 a gallon july.. and shot up again just after he lost.... what a shock!!!!!
Shenanigans afoot no doubt, * unsurprising*


Probably, but it makes Romney's statement true, doesn't it?

No it makes dom2ownboi more correct... when was the last time, gas dropped 2.28 dollars in six months? gonna try and tell me thats normal? And its still not as high as Bushes record of 4.12.....
nice try but hardly contextual truth. Bush STILL has the highest price yet.


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Winterapple -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 1:22:49 AM)

FR
I thought Rubio's speech was the best.
Christie's was hands down the worst.
The Eastwood thing was painful to watch.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 1:28:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Amazing how that dropped from 4.11 a gallon july.. and shot up again just after he lost.... what a shock!!!!!
Shenanigans afoot no doubt, * unsurprising*


Probably, but it makes Romney's statement true, doesn't it?

And this sophistry is the level of intellectual honesty and rigor you hope to advance your political views with? A few months of manipulated price against the whole of the energy price trend of the second shrub administration?




epiphiny43 -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 1:38:02 AM)

My favorite was Ryan's position that Obama is unfit to lead the country for cutting the rise in Medicare (Which he 'described' [Which would be lies, if made by Democrats?] as cuts in present level services) while Ryan has exactly the same cuts proposed in his Medicare position papers. So he isn't fit either?

BBC, which wouldn't seem to have a dog in the fight, unlike the US news services which have picked who to support like Fox and it seems Yahoo news, noticed the fact checker issues as substantial. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19427111
That the Republican line is that Obama is negative, divisive and bereft of ideas after the most obstructive, divisive and negative political opposition party behavior to a president while I've been alive (68 and counting) is irony so rich only reality could create it. You just can't make this stuff up.

I'm with an earlier thread opinion on the campaign that the real Romney position is that Obama has been too slow fixing the incredible damage 8 years of the shrub did and the real answer is a return to the same policies that caused the situation.
Not that I've been impressed by Obama's accomplishments, but, "Even the Gods themselves labor in vain against stupidity." Against the evil of a party publicly dedicated to damaging the country however much required to ensure Obama isn't re-elected ("What ever it takes...", Speaker of the House, John Boehner R-OH), I shouldn't be surprised there was a bit of shortfall. So, we have the choice of incompetent Democrats (Can you imagine what Lyndon Johnson would have done with Lieberman when he opposed the 'single payer option'?) against the frankly, lying running dogs for the capitalist puppet masters. (Marx got little right, but that one he nailed.)

Listening to an interview on PBS of a woman at the Republican convention complaining how "unpresidential" Obama and his wife looked ("She makes me sick . . . "), I understood completely. They AREN'T WHITE! I get reams of email Obama 'jokes' from right wing people, one a close relative. Jim Crow never died, he wasn't even sick.

A nice touch of yet more irony is that Obama is an anti-patriotic socialist for passing the same basic Medicare Romney installed in Massachusetts, which was originally proposed by the right wing Heritage Foundation. You aren't bi-partisan if you adopt our ideas and don't give us all the credit? Not only not bi-partisan, but divisive, anti-American and anti-democratic (Small d).

Obama's speech about the same time to a college audience noting the RNC ads that claimed he cut the job requirements for welfare are still running after independent fact checkers (Using the public record) pointed out he actually gave State Governors more flexibility in meeting local job and welfare issues. Which were Republican goals not all that long ago?

Don't even get me started on the "Family Values" party nominating a man who believes he will have 4 wives in Heaven. But, Hey! It's a bigger family?

And nobody even blinks when this stuff happens. Joseph Goebbels, your offspring are healthy and thriving. ANYTHING is believed if it's on TV or the internet often enough and loud enough.











DaddySatyr -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 3:17:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

My favorite was Ryan's position that Obama is unfit to lead the country for cutting the rise in Medicare (Which he 'described' [Which would be lies, if made by Democrats?] as cuts in present level services) while Ryan has exactly the same cuts proposed in his Medicare position papers. So he isn't fit either?

BBC, which wouldn't seem to have a dog in the fight, unlike the US news services which have picked who to support like Fox and it seems Yahoo news, noticed the fact checker issues as substantial. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19427111
That the Republican line is that Obama is negative, divisive and bereft of ideas after the most obstructive, divisive and negative political opposition party behavior to a president while I've been alive (68 and counting) is irony so rich only reality could create it. You just can't make this stuff up.


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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
I'm with an earlier thread opinion on the campaign that the real Romney position is that Obama has been too slow fixing the incredible damage 8 years of the shrub did and the real answer is a return to the same policies that caused the situation.
Not that I've been impressed by Obama's accomplishments, but, "Even the Gods themselves labor in vain against stupidity." Against the evil of a party publicly dedicated to damaging the country however much required to ensure Obama isn't re-elected ("What ever it takes...", Speaker of the House, John Boehner R-OH), I shouldn't be surprised there was a bit of shortfall. So, we have the choice of incompetent Democrats (Can you imagine what Lyndon Johnson would have done with Lieberman when he opposed the 'single payer option'?) against the frankly, lying running dogs for the capitalist puppet masters. (Marx got little right, but that one he nailed.)


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quote:

ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
Listening to an interview on PBS of a woman at the Republican convention complaining how "unpresidential" Obama and his wife looked ("She makes me sick . . . "), I understood completely. They AREN'T WHITE! I get reams of email Obama 'jokes' from right wing people, one a close relative. Jim Crow never died, he wasn't even sick.

A nice touch of yet more irony is that Obama is an anti-patriotic socialist for passing the same basic Medicare Romney installed in Massachusetts, which was originally proposed by the right wing Heritage Foundation. You aren't bi-partisan if you adopt our ideas and don't give us all the credit? Not only not bi-partisan, but divisive, anti-American and anti-democratic (Small d).

Obama's speech about the same time to a college audience noting the RNC ads that claimed he cut the job requirements for welfare are still running after independent fact checkers (Using the public record) pointed out he actually gave State Governors more flexibility in meeting local job and welfare issues. Which were Republican goals not all that long ago?

Don't even get me started on the "Family Values" party nominating a man who believes he will have 4 wives in Heaven. But, Hey! It's a bigger family?

And nobody even blinks when this stuff happens. Joseph Goebbels, your offspring are healthy and thriving. ANYTHING is believed if it's on TV or the internet often enough and loud enough.


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That's right. What we have here is a prime example of the "three part plan" that I have been talking about for a while.

Step One:

Forget the fact that courtesy would be to start an anti-Romney thread instead of posting, here but, this is something that goes on here, all the time. There's no need to actually address the facts. That's not what the left wants to do because it's problematic for them. The fact sheet doesn't tally up well for them.

The economy still sucks. People still aren't back to work. The deficit has gone up by three (or four?) times under Ofailure as it went up under Bush. Now, credit where credit is due: Ofailure managed to fuck it up to that degree in half the time that Bush did. Well done, indeed.

Step Two: No matter how bad Obama is, we believe Bush was worse. Well played but Bush hasn't been president since January of 2009 as the lefties like to bring up, every time someone mentions the death of Bin Laden

Step three: Anyone that doesn't support Ofailure doesn't have a leg to stand on, based upon his policies/politics/job failure. It's because they're racists.

Poor President Ofailure has nothing and his supporters have obviously read all the talking points. At least it gives me a chance to post my favorite graphic, again as this quoted post underlines the point.




Peace and comfort,



Michael


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servantforuse -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 5:29:30 AM)

Next up are the democrats with Sandra Fluke again asking for 'free' contraceptives ..




Lucylastic -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 5:36:56 AM)

She doesnt need them...August 1st saw to that




TheHeretic -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 6:50:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple

The Eastwood thing was painful to watch.



I was feeling that, as he got started, sans script or teleprompter, as he, "ummed" and let the train of thought get loose from the rails, but then he'd drop back in and "boom," dead on target.  Then "boom," dead on target, again.  And again.  I swore I could hear the invisible President on the chair saying, "fuck you," when Clint replied that he couldn't do that to himself either.

It was a bit like the balloon drop, after Romney's speech.  Only a couple bags to begin with, but by the time Mitt's grandkids hit the stage to chase them, they'd all come down.




Aylee -> RE: Ryan Electrilies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 7:05:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Unfortunately Eastwood looked like an Alzheimer patient who forgot his medication... He did zing Biden pretty good though.


If you think of Mr. Obama as a Pooka, that part becomes clear. (Eastwood being Dowd, of course.)




Musicmystery -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 7:06:25 AM)

I have great respect for Eastwood. But I agree with Winter...I felt sorry for the guy, and didn't watch to the end.




Lucylastic -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 7:08:41 AM)

Whose War Was That Anyway?
"But you thought the war in Afghanistan was OK. You know, I mean -- you thought that was something worth doing. We didn't check with the Russians to see how did it -- they did there for 10 years."



Clint Eastwood had apparently shared the same stretch limo with Invisible Obama (his imaginary non-friend) but Invisible Obama was nowhere to be seen :(




Musicmystery -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 7:13:05 AM)

He's an actor, for Christ's sake. This is the best he could muster?




subspaceseven -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 7:14:16 AM)

GM stated they would close the plant in June 2008, before Obama was even elected, and also ceased major operations in Dec 2008 ....Helll the Bush White House even praised the plant closing.............from the AP June 3rd 2008

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h02VGip7lek1Z7nWSXi4VLhYpB2g

The White House called the announcement a sign that the auto giant was “adapting well” to market shifts.

“It’s a sign that Detroit continues to adapt and evolve and address the change in consumer tastes and attitudes. And I think that they’re adapting well,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said.

“And they’ll make these changes, and hopefully be able to pull themselves up out of what has been a rough several years,” she said. …


Then there is this little fact Ryan chooses to ignore ...when he blames Obama...same article June 3rd 2008

GM alone has eliminated 71,000 jobs in the United States since 2000 and lost more than 54 billion dollars since 2005.




subspaceseven -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 7:16:51 AM)

Yea, it looked sad, I read one report saying Rommeys staff where wincing back stage as Clint went off message,

He is an actor, looks great in films because they keep doing it till he gets it right, Live just does not seem to be his thing,





Destreid -> RE: Ryan Electrifies: "We can do this!" (8/31/2012 7:29:19 AM)

It doesn't matter.

Mitt Romney will never be president.

And Ryan will lose to Jeb Bush in the next Rep nom for 2016.

Oh yeah, that's coming...




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