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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 8/31/2012 1:41:56 PM   
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No, you are not depressed. You are a natural slave, and as such you may be melancholic.

It is often not in you to do things, to take initiative. (Nor is it ever in me.)

What needs to be done is for your daddy to command you and for you to obey him, to perform the tasks he sets you.

You may have an aptitude for teaching or coaching.

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 8/31/2012 1:54:32 PM   
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I am extremely social , I love getting out and talking to people and what not, but my ability to get out is pretty limited sometimes, so I am loving the ability to be social on my pc. I'd be very depressed indeed if it wasn't possible to reach out on the pc. As well as social outlet it allows me to read about crafts an stuff and find simple and easy projects to do and so it's a very important tool.


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I am quite happy to be at home, among family, and not be a social butterfly.


My home has everything I want. My favorite movies, books, hobbies, pets, companions. Even internet to cover times when I want to socialize with other people and not have to endure cigarette smoke or whatever.






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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 8/31/2012 3:51:23 PM   
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You are not going to be happy with my thoughts here but here it goes.

You are not depressed. You most likely feel lazy and lethargic because of your weight. If you exercise, go for walks and get out more, lose the weight, you will find your self much more energetic and motivated.


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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 8/31/2012 11:32:31 PM   
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quote:

You most likely feel lazy and lethargic because of your weight. If you exercise, go for walks and get out more, lose the weight, you will find your self much more energetic and motivated.



I disagree with this. I am overweight and very energetic most of the time. On average, I sleep 4 hours a night. I work 2 jobs (1 part time, 1 full time) and have been putting a lot of extra time in on the full time job. But I'm also a homebody. I'd much rather spend quiet evenings at home alone or with a few close friends or with my grand daughter (in fact my 4-day weekend is being spent babysitting).

toppingfrmbottom, you stated you have bipolar disorder. I have that too. For years, I struggled with stability. Sometimes a lack of motivation is caused by depression, sometimes it can be caused by a vitamin or mineral deficiency. There really no way of knowing without you being completely honest to your doctor about what is going. And that really is the only way to get to root of the problem. The internet is not the place to go for help with medical problem. Even the so-called medical sites like webMD should not be used as a replacement for a trained, experienced, professional.

One thing though, I find my biggest problem with motivation for me comes when my house is disorganized. I work so much that I don't do my household chores like I should. And then when I do have the time to do the work, I often become overwhelmed and unmotivated because there is just so much to do that I again put it off. Tonight, I couldn't put anything off. Because my grand daughter is coming over tomorrow afternoon, I arrived home work this evening, immediately started putting some stuff away that I wouldn't want to be within her reach and then scrubbed all my floors.

I also found work, even volunteerism before I returned to the workforce, to be the best "medicine" for my recovery. You might want to look into that possibility. In today's economy nonprofits are hurting, not only for money, but for volunteers. You might want to start off by contacting your local NAMI chapter, mental health association, vocational rehabilitation office or even the county health department (in PA the county health dept. has an office of mental health and mental retardation which oversees all treatment programs. I assume it is similarly set up in most states).

And remember: sometimes depression can present itself without feelings of sadness. a lack of motivation, irritability, even an inappropriately happy mood can also indicate depression if it is part of a mixed state. I'm not saying that is what you are experiencing; I am not qualified to diagnose anybody, even in person. I'm merely a psych rehab worker. Only your doctor and diagnose you and recommend the appropriate treatment.

So I recommend:

1. See your doctor as soon as possible and BE HONEST!!!

2. Get involved with the local mental health community and volunteer with them or seek out other volunteer opportunities.

3. Stay as busy as possible--this really does aid in recovery.

4. Eat a balanced diet and if it results in weight loss great, if not, no biggie. A lot of medications cause weight gain and others make it extremely to lose weight. Eating right helps you to feel well and provides energy.

5. Try to look your best at all times. When you look good you feel good. This is even true for us "fatties". Get up every morning and head first thing to the shower, put on clean clothes and make the bed. Do not return to the bed until evening unless you are physically ill. (Well, a short nap, occasionally, ABOVE the covers is OK).


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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 8/31/2012 11:33:21 PM   
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Now if you're overweight and something of a shut-in there _might_ be a few things going on. I have some experience with this both personally and for my Wench.

Do you just feel lethargic? In which case the vicious cycle of bad diet, weight, comfort eating etc can totaly account for this. OR do you also feel somewhat agrophobic or uncomfortable with your weight/apearance in public?

I totaly understand the instinct to stay at home in your nest where its safe and comfortable. The meds may not be helping but bad diet and lack of exercise self re-enforce. Walking the dog is a great tip as they'll love it. However its possible to do lots of exercise and improve your diet without leaving the nest. Got an x-box or wii? They both have some pretty usefull software to get you moving and tracking whats going on. Once you've got more mobile confidence starts to gain. My Wench went from essentialy immobile and on-anti depressants to gym membership and user, swimming regularly and loosing 60 plus pounds and it all started with the Wii Fit. Which is now forgotton again but hey. Once you get a little more mobile endorphins may well do the rest....the cycle becomes re-enforcing in the other direction.

Keeping a food/calorie journal may help you to realise if you are over doing the junk if your honest about every snack etc.

I found watching lots of trashy diet shows like biggest loser, fat famillies and the chauner trilogy made me start moving and watching what I ate (The last two are Brittish shows, the latter especially wont translate well. Following our version of a Trailer Trash familly around. Heavy motivation not to be like them....)

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 6:26:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: erieangel
I am overweight and very energetic most of the time.

Your mind and her's are not comparable. In fact, you being a submissive, your mind and her's are completely opposite in nature.

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 6:53:55 AM   
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Yes.

I suggested a thyroid check for you before. Did you do that?

Try this website: Superbetter.com It's a game that helps people create fuller lives for themselves. There is one in particular - the Mood Elevator - that might be a support for you.

Good luck,
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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 6:59:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

No, you are not depressed. You are a natural slave, and as such you may be melancholic.

It is often not in you to do things, to take initiative. (Nor is it ever in me.)

What needs to be done is for your daddy to command you and for you to obey him, to perform the tasks he sets you.

You may have an aptitude for teaching or coaching.


That makes no fucking sense whatso fucking ever...

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 8:11:49 AM   
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That makes no fucking sense whatso fucking ever...

If you fuck less, it might make more sense.

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 8:19:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

No, you are not depressed. You are a natural slave, and as such you may be melancholic.

It is often not in you to do things, to take initiative. (Nor is it ever in me.)

What needs to be done is for your daddy to command you and for you to obey him, to perform the tasks he sets you.

You may have an aptitude for teaching or coaching.


Hey Rule, puleeeze write more on this, willya?

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 8:40:10 AM   
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In my own struggles with clinical depression, I've had times where I don't feel particularly awful (perhaps because my bar is pretty low) but look around and realize I'm leading the life of a seriously depressed person.

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 9:29:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
That makes no fucking sense whatso fucking ever...

If you fuck less, it might make more sense.



It is not possible to fuck less than I do. *ahem*

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 9:51:07 AM   
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Oh yes it is.

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 10:24:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice
In my own struggles with clinical depression, I've had times where I don't feel particularly awful (perhaps because my bar is pretty low) but look around and realize I'm leading the life of a seriously depressed person.

Just hang in there. Persevere.

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 12:37:21 PM   
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I talk to her all the time and I am honest all the time, I have told her a few times I am having a really hard time giving a rats ass about anything, not about taking my meds, not about eating, not about exercising, not getting up and getting out of my home, none about of that , and these are all things I should want very much to do and I just do not give a rats ass about doing it, I am extremely indifferent and yes apathetic to doing them, and she just kind of brushed it off. She asked me what meds I was still taking and I said non I stopped them all and she said why, and I said because I am just really having a hard time giving a rats ass about taking them, She said Well I want you to start taking them again, She said well could you have your bf remind you to take your pills? which is a valid question but that's all she said about the subject.

I mentioned it to our therapist last week and maybe in 2 weeks when we go again we'll address it again, cause I just don't understand why I am not finding it with in me to give a rats ass about things that should be extremely important to me. I should be scared shitless at being pre diabetic, and all the other things going on that a or motivated to change it, and I should want better fr myself than what I am doing now, and I , somewhere in there do, but over all I just not finding that oh shit get it in gear spark.


I used to volunteer here locally, a few different places actually, and I loved it but the situation didn't work out , there's not really anything else really local I can do. I'd have to find a place that the disability bus could take me to and then have the 10 dollars every time I want to go out and I just don't have that. Maybe when it's cooler I will go back to walking and playing with the Goldens and other dogs at homeward bound. I really did love playing with the dogs.


I'll check out what nami might have in terms of volunteering that I can do.




We kind of have to be on the bed outside of sleeping lol, We have exactly the bed and one recliner, so the bed is everything, it's a table we eat dinner there, it's a hang out joint , it's grandcentral hub. But Once the chair is cleaned out* it's constantly full of clutter and flat surface syndrome stuff so you can never sit in it * I could sit in the chair more than the bed, and if I am on the bed, sit upright, on top of everything.


I am bad at looking my best, I frequently settle for going out, or hell even staying in knowing I look shlumpy and frumpy but just am apathetic to the fact, it's something I will try to work on.
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ORIGINAL: erieangel



I disagree with this. I am overweight and very energetic most of the time. On average, I sleep 4 hours a night. I work 2 jobs (1 part time, 1 full time) and have been putting a lot of extra time in on the full time job. But I'm also a homebody. I'd much rather spend quiet evenings at home alone or with a few close friends or with my grand daughter (in fact my 4-day weekend is being spent babysitting).

toppingfrmbottom, you stated you have bipolar disorder. I have that too. For years, I struggled with stability. Sometimes a lack of motivation is caused by depression, sometimes it can be caused by a vitamin or mineral deficiency. There really no way of knowing without you being completely honest to your doctor about what is going. And that really is the only way to get to root of the problem. The internet is not the place to go for help with medical problem. Even the so-called medical sites like webMD should not be used as a replacement for a trained, experienced, professional.


I also found work, even volunteerism before I returned to the workforce, to be the best "medicine" for my recovery. You might want to look into that possibility. In today's economy nonprofits are hurting, not only for money, but for volunteers. You might want to start off by contacting your local NAMI chapter, mental health association, vocational rehabilitation office or even the county health department (in PA the county health dept. has an office of mental health and mental retardation which oversees all treatment programs. I assume it is similarly set up in most states).

And remember: sometimes depression can present itself without feelings of sadness. a lack of motivation, irritability, even an inappropriately happy mood can also indicate depression if it is part of a mixed state. I'm not saying that is what you are experiencing; I am not qualified to diagnose anybody, even in person. I'm merely a psych rehab worker. Only your doctor and diagnose you and recommend the appropriate treatment.

So I recommend:

1. See your doctor as soon as possible and BE HONEST!!!

2. Get involved with the local mental health community and volunteer with them or seek out other volunteer opportunities.

3. Stay as busy as possible--this really does aid in recovery.

4. Eat a balanced diet and if it results in weight loss great, if not, no biggie. A lot of medications cause weight gain and others make it extremely to lose weight. Eating right helps you to feel well and provides energy.

5. Try to look your best at all times. When you look good you feel good. This is even true for us "fatties". Get up every morning and head first thing to the shower, put on clean clothes and make the bed. Do not return to the bed until evening unless you are physically ill. (Well, a short nap, occasionally, ABOVE the covers is OK).




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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 12:41:09 PM   
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Yes. She said everything is fine, and I asked her to check my hormone levels too and everything there is fine.


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Yes.

I suggested a thyroid check for you before. Did you do that?

Try this website: Superbetter.com It's a game that helps people create fuller lives for themselves. There is one in particular - the Mood Elevator - that might be a support for you.

Good luck,
sunshine



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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 12:46:24 PM   
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Your daddy fails at controlling and directing you. He must do better.

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 12:57:19 PM   
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Nope, not afraid of going out, or agoraphobic or uncomfortable with my appearance or nothing. Most days I just simply do not I have no to very little social prospects. I am not welcome in the largest most active bdsm groups here, so Out side of dr's and maybe now and then going to the sewing ladies house, or Walmart or something rare I have no reason to go out. There's nothing so hell fire almighty pressing to interest me in leaving the house.


I don't like to go out just for the sake of going somewhere I want a reason. My mom's always saying oh lets go to Hancock fabrics and just window shop, Or lets go to the mall and just wander about and I hate that. I have a shopping and spending issue, so going to places where there'll be lots of shit I want to buy and can't or shouldn't is just like asking an alcholic to go hang out at the bar for shits and giggles.
If I had friends and social occasions to go to, I suppose I'd leave the house more. I suppose.




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ORIGINAL: Thaz

Now if you're overweight and something of a shut-in there _might_ be a few things going on. I have some experience with this both personally and for my Wench.

Do you just feel lethargic? In which case the vicious cycle of bad diet, weight, comfort eating etc can totaly account for this. OR do you also feel somewhat agrophobic or uncomfortable with your weight/apearance in public?

i


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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 1:04:24 PM   
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A reason to get out.....to keep you healthy
A reason to go out......to walk the dog
A reason to go out.....volunteer
A reason to go out......put yourself in touch with nature, God, your diety, etc...
A reason to go out.....to people watch

I could go on and on and on.......

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RE: Is it possible to be depressed but not feel depressed? - 9/1/2012 1:59:01 PM   
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There are those, People watching can be fun, and when I went out to pet our turkey's they loved that and it was hilarious to watch their reaction to the tlc they loved so much.
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

A reason to get out.....to keep you healthy
A reason to go out......to walk the dog
A reason to go out.....volunteer
A reason to go out......put yourself in touch with nature, God, your diety, etc...
A reason to go out.....to people watch

I could go on and on and on.......



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