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tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/3/2012 2:47:44 PM)
quote: Oh please, until the winner of the special election was sworn in? ACA was voted on after the Massachusetts special election winner was sworn in. So legally, you're correct, but that's all. I was in my sr year at the time and my polisci professor brought the state of the senate into our discussion. He regarded it as a rather stagmant time since it was clear they weren't using the advantage. Since you remember Kirk, you'll also remember his voting record regarding rules votes. Anomalous period discounted, I stand by my original comment. You will find I am very much into offering up the stats and facts. If I make a claim, I will always be able to back it up. The claim made here was that Obama had a fillibuster proof Senate for 2 years. In fact, he had one for 72 days of session. Not enough time to sneeze in there and have it recorded, let alone to take advantage of those numbers. Posting history around these parts... The moment you deny even those 72 days, they feel you are on the run, hiding something. I prefer not to hide. I like making some look like idiots after they post such twisted comments or inane suppositions.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/3/2012 4:17:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Oh please, until the winner of the special election was sworn in? ACA was voted on after the Massachusetts special election winner was sworn in. So legally, you're correct, but that's all. I was in my sr year at the time and my polisci professor brought the state of the senate into our discussion. He regarded it as a rather stagmant time since it was clear they weren't using the advantage. Since you remember Kirk, you'll also remember his voting record regarding rules votes. Anomalous period discounted, I stand by my original comment. You will find I am very much into offering up the stats and facts. If I make a claim, I will always be able to back it up. The claim made here was that Obama had a fillibuster proof Senate for 2 years. In fact, he had one for 72 days of session. Not enough time to sneeze in there and have it recorded, let alone to take advantage of those numbers. Posting history around these parts... The moment you deny even those 72 days, they feel you are on the run, hiding something. I prefer not to hide. I like making some look like idiots after they post such twisted comments or inane suppositions. Re:"stats" - Understood. We won't be having any problems there. So long as you can accept that my professors liked "cause and effect" over raw statistics. Either way, no ruffled feathers here my friend. re: Idiots - I got my proof of that today. I disagreed with an old timer here, and now I am some kind of Marta Hari for someone's "other" account. Is there a little yellow bus some of the participants ride "to the internet" every morning?

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/3/2012 4:33:37 PM)
Yes, actually, there is, just be careful of the windows, they tend to lick them a lot.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/3/2012 4:41:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, actually, there is, just be careful of the windows, they tend to lick them a lot. Oh, I don't intend to ride it with them. I just want to know so I remeber to be careful crossing the information stupor highway.

slvemike4u -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/3/2012 7:05:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, actually, there is, just be careful of the windows, they tend to lick them a lot. Oh, I don't intend to ride it with them. I just want to know so I remeber to be careful crossing the information stupor highway. I think I like this one,she is going to be fun....and brings something to the party too [:D]

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/3/2012 7:06:15 PM)
lol... yeah.. I think so too.

subrob1967 -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 1:24:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You can this about Obama Advice? Are you sure you are the best one to be giving advice? quote: That's a lot of RINOS, perhaps if Obama offered some reasonable legislation he wouldn't have so many defections from the party he leads... Just sayin' That number dropped to around 25... and expected to drop even further the next election. And, yet, despite all this, he did manage to get things done. He sure did, he got to spend 6.1 Trillion dollars, despite all the obstruction [;)]going on... How did he manage that, yet still leave the country in the shitter?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 2:16:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Which the War Powers Resolution covers and allows for. Except that it mandates that Congress must approve within 60 days of said deployment. Which is basically a defacto way of saying the Prez can start a war arbitrarily...because....who's going to say no bullets, guns or food to 100,000 troops already stationed facing the enemy? No one. It's not only a limp law...it may as well not exist.

slvemike4u -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 2:21:24 AM)
LOL So no President should have the power to deploy America's forces at a moments notice should the need arise. Fuck,and we spent all that money just to have that capability [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 2:30:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You can this about Obama Advice? Are you sure you are the best one to be giving advice? quote: That's a lot of RINOS, perhaps if Obama offered some reasonable legislation he wouldn't have so many defections from the party he leads... Just sayin' That number dropped to around 25... and expected to drop even further the next election. And, yet, despite all this, he did manage to get things done. He sure did, he got to spend 6.1 Trillion dollars, despite all the obstruction [;)]going on... How did he manage that, yet still leave the country in the shitter? 6.1 T? Debt, August 30, 2012 15,990,541,092,391.91 Debt, January 20, 2009 10,626,877,048,913.08 5.36 T Where do you get your sources? But, then again, thats just face value, isnt it. [image]local://upfiles/502828/8B78D143F5C94C5CAEE66A8760D8F860.jpg[/image]

slvemike4u -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 2:55:41 AM)
There is nothing as sexy as a woman with a boat load of facts and figures to throw in your face.....lol.

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 3:39:37 AM)
ooooooooooooooo Im sexy and I know it!

Bigsqueezer -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 8:14:45 AM)
The sheer amount of Republican congressmen and senators that fled the Republican party after Bush and joined the ranks of this filibuster proof majority left the Dems all over the map.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 3:03:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u LOL So no President should have the power to deploy America's forces at a moments notice should the need arise. Fuck,and we spent all that money just to have that capability [8\|] Of course not, that's ridiculous....as I've said before, as the (national) head CEO (which others love to debate), he does have the authority and again, anyone who wants to argue that there are three "co-equal" branches, are only fooling themselves. Besides which....were I to debate that he shouldn't have this authority denies the fact that he already does....which negates anyone else's presumption that he's impeded by process....because he is not. In any possible way. If you want to see how much power any President actually has....watch us go to war (big or small). The Prez IS the national CEO and has all the powers that any CEO has, perfunctory or otherwise....and anyone that chooses to debate that...can do so with all the historical references as to co-equal branches and any other assumptions you (or they) want to believe....as long as it makes you feel good. (It just ain't true). History tells you what the rules are....not law. Law and history are (always) written by the winners. Wish that it were otherwise....until you bleed through your ears if you like but....it just ain't so. (And by the way...history is changing as we speak, regardless of who's in power...and not in your favor).

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 3:05:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You can this about Obama Advice? Are you sure you are the best one to be giving advice? quote: That's a lot of RINOS, perhaps if Obama offered some reasonable legislation he wouldn't have so many defections from the party he leads... Just sayin' That number dropped to around 25... and expected to drop even further the next election. And, yet, despite all this, he did manage to get things done. He sure did, he got to spend 6.1 Trillion dollars, despite all the obstruction [;)]going on... How did he manage that, yet still leave the country in the shitter? 6.1 T? Debt, August 30, 2012 15,990,541,092,391.91 Debt, January 20, 2009 10,626,877,048,913.08 5.36 T Where do you get your sources? But, then again, thats just face value, isnt it. [image]local://upfiles/502828/8B78D143F5C94C5CAEE66A8760D8F860.jpg[/image] Hon...any way you measure that...it's gonna be 6+ by the time the debates begin...and by the time the debates end....it'll be pushing 7.

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 3:47:03 PM)
Hon... some of us do realize the facts behind the figures. You want to look at the balance and not at who did the spending and saving.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 3:58:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Hon... some of us do realize the facts behind the figures. You want to look at the balance and not at who did the spending and saving. Okay. (Grab your calculator on January 20th, 2013 and tell me the numbers then....k?....Moreso, since everyone, correctly, wants to add in the first year of the "next" Prez's budget deficit...let's wait until January 1, 2014....yeah? Wanna bet we're stretching 8+?). Count on it.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 3:59:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Hon... some of us do realize the facts behind the figures. You want to look at the balance and not at who did the spending and saving. If you want to figure out what we owe (not "who's to blame")...you look at both. And we'll be hitting nearly 18 trillion by January 1, 2014. I couldn't give a shit who's at fault....only that we owe an ungodly amount, none of which is or was necessary. And for the record....no Prez (in your lifetime) has ever saved a penny or reduced the debt.

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 4:07:14 PM)
Yes, we do owe an ungodly amount. The Tarp and such were not enough. They should have let those businesses sink... instead, they tossed quarters to try and shore them up. All they did was fill the bottom of the hole to keep it from sinking deeper. Think I like any of this? Think I am standing here with pom pom's cheering on more debt? Hell no. But you cant lower taxes, raise spending, and expect the budget to ever balance. And thats the GOP platform.

mirror88 -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/4/2012 4:07:26 PM)
quote: none of which is or was necessary. you were doing great right up until then. No sane person thinks the war to pretend to find WMDs was "necessary" now that we know that Bush lied about the pretext he gave Congress. The people whose "identity" is tied in with the military or with the Republican party may hang on to how great it is that we ousted the dictator, but few really buy that was worth trillions and the 10,000 amputees. That is why the Republican convention did not bring up the WMD war or Bin Laudin. After the fact observations are ok, as long as you cop to the facts at the time of the observed behavior/mistake. There are still people who are convinced we went into Iraq to deal with the Al-Qaida. There were none there until we got there, but bush told the troops that was an actual objective/issue, for years, so that after a few years, more than half the troops believed it, and did for years after Bush himself admitted there were none at the time of the invasion.

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