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LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/10/2012 8:07:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I can't. It's actually illegal for me to review his records even as I own the company. What I can tell you is...he did it and he got money back (more than he actually paid in). And based on what I now know...he'll get back more than he paid in April of 2013 as well. And that pisses you off? He pays in 3k, the government uses it for free, he gets back, according to you, 4k, which technically you shouldnt disclose to anyone. So you are here bitching because this man, and people like him, are paying into the system, and getting it back legally. Yet, I dont see you bitching about corportations or the rich who do the same. You made the claim... and you were the one who proved yourself wrong. quote: What I can tell you is...he did it and he got money back (more than he actually paid in). quote: How do you get to a place where everyone pays an "appropriate" share? Shouldn't everyone pay an appropriate share? Set aside SSI and unemployment, L&I coverage.....shouldn't everyone pay something? $1.00? He did pay in.... by your own admission. It doesn't piss me off in the slightest....why would you think it did? And yes, by my "own admission", he did pay into federal taxes....I can't argue that point because....well...it would be entirely foolish to do so (having actually said those more than specific words). It makes no difference to me, or my income. It has nothing to do with me, nor does it have any noticeable effect on me, or my income. I also have no complaint with any corporation or individual that does exactly the same thing. If you want to impute that into which I've stated (rather, and in fact, made amazingly clear more than multiple times), hey...this is a free country....impute all you want. If you pay taxes based on the existing rules and you pay either far too much, or far too little, so long as it's done according to the existing rules....you're golden. Enjoy. If, however, you simply want to disagree from a position of ignorance....that's okay with me as well. Interestingly, and without any possible confusion (except for those with dubious mental capacity) I didn't prove myself wrong in the slightest. I also didn't prove myself right....I simply stated the facts as they exist. I didn't make a case for what was right or wrong (nor did I, nor do I, have any interest in doing so)....had I done so, I'd have provided you with any number of variety of data. I don't really care. I don't make the federal tax rules...I simply follow them. If you want to prove me wrong (or right), find an accountant. I really don't give a shit. You and others posed questions, I simply gave you some facts. If you want to disbelieve them....I'm all good with that. You can believe exactly what you choose to believe and, based on the fact that (so far) you've taken everything entirely out of context, you can paint exactly the picture you choose. If that appeals to you and you sleep better with those notions....that's spectacular.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/10/2012 8:13:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Post # 81 quote: (I don't know...it just seems to me that everyone should be involved somehow in the {federal tax} game.....it just seems right to me). His claim. Dont even get started with me. He made it. I asked him to back it up... more than once. Even if we go by the federal income* tax* (which is not what he said) claim you are using now, everyone who works pays in. There are different federal taxes. Personal Income Taxes Payroll Taxes Estate Taxes Gift Taxes Federal Excise taxes Do I really need to explain more to prove the point of how ridiculous his claim is? Or maybe YOU can show me how a family with 3 kids pays no federal taxes. I believe, as to "federal taxes"....that's exactly what I said (I'm fairly confident I wasn't even remotely unclear about what I said or intended).. How you can deduce from "it just seems to me that everyone should be involved somehow in the {federal tax} game" that I was not talking about, specifically, only, and NO OTHER taxes but for federal taxes is absolutely stunning to me (and anyone else with an IQ above the letter "L").

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/10/2012 8:20:17 PM)
I don't blame anyone for not thinking. I do however, question the framers of our Constitution for giving some the right to vote. [image]local://upfiles/655058/9E42E25AD9CB4C1FBFEF947461750DD8.jpg[/image]

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/10/2012 8:21:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Post # 81 quote: (I don't know...it just seems to me that everyone should be involved somehow in the {federal tax} game.....it just seems right to me). His claim. Dont even get started with me. He made it. I asked him to back it up... more than once. Even if we go by the federal income* tax* (which is not what he said) claim you are using now, everyone who works pays in. There are different federal taxes. Personal Income Taxes Payroll Taxes Estate Taxes Gift Taxes Federal Excise taxes Do I really need to explain more to prove the point of how ridiculous his claim is? Or maybe YOU can show me how a family with 3 kids pays no federal taxes. I believe, as to "federal taxes"....that's exactly what I said (I'm fairly confident I wasn't even remotely unclear about what I said or intended).. How you can deduce from "it just seems to me that everyone should be involved somehow in the {federal tax} game" that I was not talking about, specifically, only, and NO OTHER taxes but for federal taxes is absolutely stunning to me (and anyone else with an IQ above the letter "L"). I never said you didnt say federal taxes.... I said you didnt say federal income taxes. Look back at your own post. I pointed out multiple areas of federal taxes.... some everyone pays into. Dont expect people to infer your meaning. Mean what you say, say what you mean.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/10/2012 8:24:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Post # 81 quote: (I don't know...it just seems to me that everyone should be involved somehow in the {federal tax} game.....it just seems right to me). His claim. Dont even get started with me. He made it. I asked him to back it up... more than once. Even if we go by the federal income* tax* (which is not what he said) claim you are using now, everyone who works pays in. There are different federal taxes. Personal Income Taxes Payroll Taxes Estate Taxes Gift Taxes Federal Excise taxes Do I really need to explain more to prove the point of how ridiculous his claim is? Or maybe YOU can show me how a family with 3 kids pays no federal taxes. I believe, as to "federal taxes"....that's exactly what I said (I'm fairly confident I wasn't even remotely unclear about what I said or intended).. How you can deduce from "it just seems to me that everyone should be involved somehow in the {federal tax} game" that I was not talking about, specifically, only, and NO OTHER taxes but for federal taxes is absolutely stunning to me (and anyone else with an IQ above the letter "L"). I never said you didnt say federal taxes.... I said you didnt say federal income taxes. Look back at your own post. I pointed out multiple areas of federal taxes.... some everyone pays into. Dont expect people to infer your meaning. Mean what you say, say what you mean. "L"

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/10/2012 8:40:42 PM)
laughs Another one who cant admit when he is wrong.

DesideriScuri -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/11/2012 4:26:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl laughs Another one who cant admit when he is wrong. Good Lord! Would you two either let it go or get a room already?!?!?

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/11/2012 4:46:02 AM)
I know you are jealous.... but you cant have Lookie all to yourself!

DesideriScuri -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/11/2012 5:37:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I know you are jealous.... but you cant have Lookie all to yourself! No, not jealous at all. I'd much rather see you two scene than the groping lovefest ya'all are entertaining. Why is this such a big deal to you? You know he meant "Federal Income Taxes." You know he fucked up and didn't use the word "Income," even though you know he meant that. Would you have gone on and on and on if he had? Sometimes I think you would. And, no, there is no one out there that doesn't pay taxes. There are those who do not have a Federal Income tax liability; nearly half of all taxpayers. Oddly enough, it seems to have been ignored that the number of people not having a Federal Income Tax liability increased while Bush was in office and those at the top of the income charts ended up with a larger share of the Federal Income Tax burden.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/11/2012 6:23:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I know you are jealous.... but you cant have Lookie all to yourself! No, not jealous at all. I'd much rather see you two scene than the groping lovefest ya'all are entertaining. Why is this such a big deal to you? You know he meant "Federal Income Taxes." You know he fucked up and didn't use the word "Income," even though you know he meant that. Would you have gone on and on and on if he had? Sometimes I think you would. And, no, there is no one out there that doesn't pay taxes. There are those who do not have a Federal Income tax liability; nearly half of all taxpayers. Oddly enough, it seems to have been ignored that the number of people not having a Federal Income Tax liability increased while Bush was in office and those at the top of the income charts ended up with a larger share of the Federal Income Tax burden. Desi....you really need to stop using reality and facts in your arguments. (It fucks with those who can reasonably compare their IQ to a tattered couch).

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/11/2012 7:52:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I know you are jealous.... but you cant have Lookie all to yourself! No, not jealous at all. I'd much rather see you two scene than the groping lovefest ya'all are entertaining. Why is this such a big deal to you? You know he meant "Federal Income Taxes." You know he fucked up and didn't use the word "Income," even though you know he meant that. Would you have gone on and on and on if he had? Sometimes I think you would. And, no, there is no one out there that doesn't pay taxes. There are those who do not have a Federal Income tax liability; nearly half of all taxpayers. Oddly enough, it seems to have been ignored that the number of people not having a Federal Income Tax liability increased while Bush was in office and those at the top of the income charts ended up with a larger share of the Federal Income Tax burden. No, I dont know what he meant. You would be surprised at how many people believe the only federal tax people pay is income tax. Im glad you can read his mind. I refuse to. Lookie happens to be an articulate person most times. Why should I insult his intelligence by suggesting what he meant? First time I asked..... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232288 Second time I asked.... quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Come up with someone who pays zero taxes. People with 3 kids, making 30K a year. 3 kids... and they pay zero taxes? You really want to stick by that statement? http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232451 Someone else pointed out his error... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232501 Lookie's response... quote: "How do you get to a place where everyone pays an "appropriate" share? Shouldn't everyone pay an appropriate share? Set aside SSI and unemployment, L&I coverage.....shouldn't everyone pay something? http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232504 He was told income tax was different than zero taxes... quote: You know damn well he was talking about Federal income taxes. Damn. And, yes, there are a shit ton of people who pay no Federal income taxes. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232909 And then you, in your infinite wisdom, after Music pointed out his error and he ignored it, decided you would rescue him. He isnt intelligent enough to know his wording was wrong before you came along?

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/11/2012 8:04:30 PM)
quote: Desi....you really need to stop using reality and facts in your arguments. (It fucks with those who can reasonably compare their IQ to a tattered couch). Stop looking for your boyfriend to fight your battles for you. You were asked multiple times.. and even as late as this page you posted... quote: How you can deduce from "it just seems to me that everyone should be involved somehow in the {federal tax} game" that I was not talking about, specifically, only, and NO OTHER taxes but for federal taxes is absolutely stunning to me (and anyone else with an IQ above the letter "L"). I have shown you there are other federal taxes BESIDES INCOME TAX. I suggest you study a bit more.

DesideriScuri -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/12/2012 3:44:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Why is this such a big deal to you? You know he meant "Federal Income Taxes." You know he fucked up and didn't use the word "Income," even though you know he meant that. Would you have gone on and on and on if he had? Sometimes I think you would. And, no, there is no one out there that doesn't pay taxes. There are those who do not have a Federal Income tax liability; nearly half of all taxpayers. Oddly enough, it seems to have been ignored that the number of people not having a Federal Income Tax liability increased while Bush was in office and those at the top of the income charts ended up with a larger share of the Federal Income Tax burden. No, I dont know what he meant. You would be surprised at how many people believe the only federal tax people pay is income tax. Im glad you can read his mind. I refuse to. Lookie happens to be an articulate person most times. Why should I insult his intelligence by suggesting what he meant? First time I asked..... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232288 The first time you asked was Post#83. Yet, in Post#81, Lookie made these assumptions: quote: How do you get to a place where everyone pays an "appropriate" share? Shouldn't everyone pay an appropriate share? Set aside SSI and unemployment, L&I coverage.....shouldn't everyone pay something? As an interpretation, that means Federal Income Taxes are left on the table. In questioning whether everyone should pay something, Lookie was specifically talking about Income taxes. quote: Second time I asked.... quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Come up with someone who pays zero taxes. People with 3 kids, making 30K a year. 3 kids... and they pay zero taxes? You really want to stick by that statement? http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232451 Someone else pointed out his error... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232501 Lookie's response... quote: "How do you get to a place where everyone pays an "appropriate" share? Shouldn't everyone pay an appropriate share? Set aside SSI and unemployment, L&I coverage.....shouldn't everyone pay something? http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232504 He was told income tax was different than zero taxes... Yep. He quoted his Post#81 defining what he was talking about. So, MM's question in Post#90 was moot because that was already addressed in Post#81. quote: quote: You know damn well he was talking about Federal income taxes. Damn. And, yes, there are a shit ton of people who pay no Federal income taxes. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4232909 And then you, in your infinite wisdom, after Music pointed out his error and he ignored it, decided you would rescue him. He isnt intelligent enough to know his wording was wrong before you came along? It isn't my "infinite wisdom" (thanks for the compliment, though) that lead me to his "rescue." He didn't need to be "rescued." He spelled out that he was ignoring other taxes. You took his statement that everyone should pay something as people aren't paying taxes somewhere. You questioned him, but never he had defined his "paying taxes" as "paying income taxes," so your question was about "income taxes" accordingly. And, my interpretation was even confirmed. Yet, you go on and on, even when Lookie specifically addressed your concern in Post#107. Then, he messed it up again in Post#109, clarified in Post#110 after which I got a good laugh (Post#111). Then, in Post#112 (3.5 hours after Post#110 where he clarified that he was talking Income taxes), you blast him yet again. How is it you can't grasp that he was talking about only Federal "Income" taxes. At this point, I think you should let the whole "Federal Tax" vs. "Federal Income Tax" thing go, on this thread. You're right that there are more Federal taxes than simply the income tax. You corrected me on that, and rightly so. I'm much more specific (though I do reserve the right to fuck it up again) (and again, etc.) now, which is why I jumped in, and, in your words, "rescued" Lookie. (edited to fix a structural deficiency [forgot a /quote])

tazzygirl -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/12/2012 8:01:00 AM)
quote: How do you get to a place where everyone pays an "appropriate" share? Shouldn't everyone pay an appropriate share? Set aside SSI and unemployment, L&I coverage.....shouldn't everyone pay something? And everyone pays an appropriate share. Take a look at any paycheck... everyone pays. quote: It isn't my "infinite wisdom" (thanks for the compliment, though) that lead me to his "rescue." He didn't need to be "rescued." He spelled out that he was ignoring other taxes. You took his statement that everyone should pay something as people aren't paying taxes somewhere. You questioned him, but never he had defined his "paying taxes" as "paying income taxes," so your question was about "income taxes" accordingly. I have yet to have a job that I didnt pay federal income taxes. Im sure many work under the table. quote: How is it you can't grasp that he was talking about only Federal "Income" taxes. How is it that you cant grasp that words have meaning? Federal taxes.. his repeated use. Grab someone off the job site.. ask them if they pay in. They will tell you yes. They can show you they do. Now you two are gonna whine because they dont make enough to live on, so they get a refund check. And bitch, moan and whimper that they dont pay "anything" in. Yet they do. Unless the walk to work, they pay federal taxes. If they indulge in alcohol they pay federal taxes. If they hunt, they pay federal taxes. If they own a phone, they pay federal taxes. And the pay a larger share of their income than you do. And guess where it all goes.... Straight to the IRS. So, when are you going to start paying your fair share of your income in those types of taxes as opposed to the poor of this country. Stupid comments like those you have both espoused here have a way to biting you in the ass.

DesideriScuri -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/12/2012 5:31:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And everyone pays an appropriate share. Take a look at any paycheck... everyone pays. If you get it all back, or all back plus more, you aren't really paying. And, you could very easily stop paying in by increasing your exemptions on your W-2's. You just won't get a refund, or will get a smaller one. quote: I have yet to have a job that I didnt pay federal income taxes. Im sure many work under the table. quote: How is it you can't grasp that he was talking about only Federal "Income" taxes. How is it that you cant grasp that words have meaning? Federal taxes.. his repeated use. LMAO! I don't get that words have meaning?!? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I know his repeated use of "federal taxes" and I smirk every time because I know what he's meaning, I know what he's saying, and I know it's going to get under your skin. [quote Now you two are gonna whine because they dont make enough to live on, so they get a refund check. And bitch, moan and whimper that they dont pay "anything" in. Yet they do. Unless the walk to work, they pay federal taxes. If they indulge in alcohol they pay federal taxes. If they hunt, they pay federal taxes. If they own a phone, they pay federal taxes. And the pay a larger share of their income than you do. And guess where it all goes.... Straight to the IRS. So, when are you going to start paying your fair share of your income in those types of taxes as opposed to the poor of this country. Stupid comments like those you have both espoused here have a way to biting you in the ass. Are they paying in Federal Income Taxes, tazzy? Everyone? Remember, if you get all your withholding back, you aren't really paying in. Everyone pays taxes, Federal, State, and Local. Hell, where I am, I have Federal, State, County and City taxes all banging away at what I buy. The neat thing here, though, is that you do have some say in how much you pay in taxes, if you don't make enough to have an income tax liability. Do you have to have a phone? Do you have to hunt? Do you have to drink alcohol (or carbonated beverages)? No one has to have cable, phone, or indulge in nicotine dosing devices, alcohol, or other things that fall under "sin taxes." Food isn't taxed. And, now, how do you know how much I pay in taxes, as a % of my income? And, nothing is biting my ass.

FreeFromSin -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/13/2012 4:56:33 AM)
We have to vote for Romney/Ryan. Obama/Biden are a total nightmare! On every idsue, Obama is dead wrong. I hate Mormons, and Romney did tax evasion to Swiss Bank Accounts, or/and The Cayman Islands...is a spoiled rich baby... but Ryan is a good Catholic boy. Although Romney tried to close down Catholic hospitals in Massachusetts. We cannot elect a half Islamic nut into our White House! Obama has an Islamic leaning. He is pro-Islam. He told a crowd in Egypt we're not a Christian nation! Newsflash, Obama: we are! 78%1 Obama wanted to build a mosque on the DNA of our 9/11 victims! Obama rejected the offer of the Netherlands to assist us in the BP oil spill. Why? We help all other countries with foreign aide constantly. We give more than any other nation on the face of the Earth. The Catholic Services donates more Charity in the world, than any other organization. That is no coincidence. Obama wants national healthcare! Forgetaboutit! It is a huge failure in England. The healthcare is barbaric and like the Dark Ages. No quality in healthcare. Ppl die and suffer. We have too many illegal aliens. Obama saw everyone vote for Republicans in Congress last yr. We cleaned house. Obama wants partial-birth abortion and gay marriage. I think Obama is the devil. He got elected because he's half Kenyan Muslim African. He s#cks as a President. 22.8% unemployment. He is an impotent leader. I liked Ron Paul. But we must vot Romney to get rid of no jobs Obama campaigning with blow jobs Clinton.

mons -> RE: An understanding of political lies. (9/13/2012 5:34:00 AM)
Everyone hello When one makes a mistake and see that it was wrong to write it, one comes does come back to say they (me ) were wrong! Tazzygirl I made a mistake I am one who was born under the "caul" sign and believe in karma I would only hope someone would come and do what is right for me, it was only wish but it does not happen often! I do remember being screamed at and no one ever came back to say, anything at all! But I am of the different type, I am back and here to say what I feel is the decent thing to do for tazzygirl! I was report to the moderated and I was asked to correct this mistake by tazzygirl! Which was not something crazy to ask, but heated words can make one say "no"! I am not here to go through the whole heated exchange again, It is called being human, and as human being we are in agreement that one can come back! TazzyGirl here I am and you were basically blasted for all of the wrong reason!!!! Mons for me that someone comes back to say "I apologizes

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