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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 11:26:11 AM   
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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 11:32:34 AM   
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And during a period, the actual insertion of tampons is not the main concern (and not a concern at all for women who use pads instead) but some of the more unpleasant symptoms are.


Yup. I'm not feeling the tampon inside me. I'm feeling the excrutiating cramps, thumping back ache, bloating, and pounding headache that nothing but copious amounts of alcohol or muscle relaxers can touch.


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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 11:35:50 AM   
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And during a period, the actual insertion of tampons is not the main concern (and not a concern at all for women who use pads instead) but some of the more unpleasant symptoms are.


Yup. I'm not feeling the tampon inside me. I'm feeling the excrutiating cramps, thumping back ache, bloating, and pounding headache that nothing but copious amounts of alcohol or muscle relaxers can touch.



Have you tried valium? Astoundingly good.




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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 11:52:32 AM   
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And during a period, the actual insertion of tampons is not the main concern (and not a concern at all for women who use pads instead) but some of the more unpleasant symptoms are.


Yup. I'm not feeling the tampon inside me. I'm feeling the excrutiating cramps, thumping back ache, bloating, and pounding headache that nothing but copious amounts of alcohol or muscle relaxers can touch.



Have you tried valium? Astoundingly good.





Unfortunately, while I'm working I can't take anything that effects my abilities. So, I just have to suck it up and use a heating pad when I'm working.


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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 11:58:44 AM   
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Yuck. The birth control for the endo took care of a lot of the bad symptoms. I miss that! Naproxyn/Aleve? and those ThermaCare things are expensive but fantastic.

And MissChatte, I totally get your point, but really? Menstruation is forty years of pain and inconvenience. There's no glamour, it's just another thing to deal with.

I've been a friend of transfolk for decades. I adore drag queens. Playing dressup with CD's, it's all good. I guess because no transwoman IN MY EXPERIENCE has asked a question like this, it's a hard one for me.

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 1:38:09 PM   
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Yuck. The birth control for the endo took care of a lot of the bad symptoms. I miss that! Naproxyn/Aleve? and those ThermaCare things are expensive but fantastic.

And MissChatte, I totally get your point, but really? Menstruation is forty years of pain and inconvenience. There's no glamour, it's just another thing to deal with.

I've been a friend of transfolk for decades. I adore drag queens. Playing dressup with CD's, it's all good. I guess because no transwoman IN MY EXPERIENCE has asked a question like this, it's a hard one for me.


Dear hibby,

I hate you.
j/k! They tried putting me on birth control to, but it just made things worse. :/ I actually got fired from one job, between the passing out from pain and..well.. projectile vomiting in the smoking area..
I'm with you as far as the 'oddness'' of the questions go. I've actually only run into one transwoman who told me she wished she could have a period like a 'real' (her words, not mine) woman.
I still sort of want to go 'WHY?!' though..

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 1:51:40 PM   
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I've actually only run into one transwoman who told me she wished she could have a period like a 'real' (her words, not mine) woman.
I still sort of want to go 'WHY?!' though..


I remember at school lots of girls couldn't wait to start their periods, and some girls who were embarrassed at being amongst the last to start. Didn't matter how many older friends or sisters told them it was unpleasant, it was part of becoming a woman, and feeling mature and part of the club. And even something unpleasant can be appealing if you feel like you're the only one who isn't having that experience.

So I do understand why there might be some desire to experience periods, because for some people they may represent a part of being a woman. Even the bad bits are part of the female experience and so it must be very frustrating to identify and live as a woman but still 'miss out' on a particular experience associated with being a woman.

That said, I still personally find it hard to find much similarity between inserting a tampon and inserting a buttplug, having done both. A buttplug is bulky and brings a lot of sensation and is a sexual thing. A tampon, inserted properly, shouldn't be felt once inside and isn't remotely sexual. I would say a buttplug more closely equates to inserting a dildo into the vagina than a tampon. Of course the important thing is that the OP is getting something out of the experience, so if it helps her or she gets some enjoyment from it, then it can only be a good thing.

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 2:15:19 PM   
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So I do understand why there might be some desire to experience periods, because for some people they may represent a part of being a woman.


While I can somewhat understand, I think it's romanticizing something that doesn't deserve it.



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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 4:37:52 PM   
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I guess I am going to have to redirect this back on topic again and what it was intended for.
Some Trans people see their ass as a vagina, therefore my question was do they compare the use of a butt plug, even momentarily, as to that to a genetic woman using a tampon.
Since this post began, that question was left very open and was intended for Trans people to answer. Don’t mind others answering, actually it was stated on a post earlier.
However some of the answers are ridiculous especially this one and while some genetic girls might feel the description of cramps you portrayed etc as spot on, I for one think comparing constipation to having a period in an attempt to be funny... really idiotic.
So what is your suggestion for Trans people to simulate menopause? Break their bones to “experience” what osteoporosis is like?



OP, you mentioned several times that this thread was for Trans people to respond, well, besides you there were 2 Trans people who responded and their partners. It's been mentioned but there aren't many Trans on the boards- your thread would have been about 5 posts long had it been only responded to by Trans.

I'm thinking you aren't getting the discussion you had in mind but you're also not getting the fact that had things gone exactly the way you envisioned, you wouldn't have gotten that discussion anyway. Maybe people talking about your premise isn't so bad then considering that hardly anyone at all would have ever addressed it?

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 5:39:58 PM   
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You deserve a four-star salute for that follow-up post. You know this crowd all too well.


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For those that fall under the "Trans" umbrella, I use that word broadly, do or did you ever compare your butt plug as akin to the use a real woman would use a tampon?


No. I've never given much thought to tampons or simulating periods or becoming an actual girl. "Girlhood" for me is more psychological than physical. A plug works well with me b/c of the prostate, its girly b/c it involves penetration.

I would take issue with haus's view that CDs find dressing "humiliating" and as such get off on it for that reason. The reason its "humiliating" is because society makes it so; CDs would prefer to be accepted. When they ask to be "humiliated," they're actually asking for acceptance, i.e. to be forced into taboo land by a supportive partner.

On that theme, here is a bit from the SEPT New Yorker about Larry Wachowski deciding to become Lana Wachowski:

At the same time, Larry, who had separated from his wife, was dealing with depression and struggling with his gender situation. During the production, he told Andy that the reason he went swimming the bay every morning rather than the pool, was that he was half hoping to be hit by a boat or attacked by a shark. "For years, I couldn’t even say the words 'transgendered' or 'transsexual,' Lana told me. 'When I began to admit it to myself, I knew I would eventually have to tell my parents and my brother and my sisters. This fact would inject such terror into me that I would not sleep for days. I developed a plan that I worked out with my therapist. It was going to take three years. Maybe five. A couple of weeks into the plan, my mom called."

Sensing that something was wrong, Lynne Wachowski flew to Australia the following day. The morning after her arrival, Larry told her, 'I'm transgender, I'm a girl." Lynn didn't know what he meant. "I was there when you were born," she said. "There's a part of me that is a girl," Larry insisted. "I'm still working on that." Lynn had been distraught on the plane, worried that she might lose her son. "Instead, I've just found out there is more of you," she said. Ron, who soon flew in, too, offered his unconditional support, as did Larry's sisters and Andy (his brother), who had suspected for a while.

A couple of days later, the Wachowski family went out to dinner in Sydney. Larry was now renamed Lana and was dressed as a woman. A waiter referred to Lana and Lynn as "ladies". The next day, Lana showed up to work in her new identity, as though nothing had happened.

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"I chose to change my exteriority to bring it closer into alignment with my interiority," she told me. "My biggest fears were all about losing my family. Once they accepted me, everything else has been a piece of cake.



This is from the New Yorker, about Lana Wachowski, who is working on a new film. Formerly she created the Matrix with her brother.

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 7:13:54 PM   
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This is beautiful!
And the comment made my day.


Thank you.



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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 8:36:37 PM   
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Yuck. The birth control for the endo took care of a lot of the bad symptoms. I miss that! Naproxyn/Aleve? and those ThermaCare things are expensive but fantastic.

And MissChatte, I totally get your point, but really? Menstruation is forty years of pain and inconvenience. There's no glamour, it's just another thing to deal with.

I've been a friend of transfolk for decades. I adore drag queens. Playing dressup with CD's, it's all good. I guess because no transwoman IN MY EXPERIENCE has asked a question like this, it's a hard one for me.


Dear hibby,

I hate you.
j/k! They tried putting me on birth control to, but it just made things worse. :/ I actually got fired from one job, between the passing out from pain and..well.. projectile vomiting in the smoking area..
I'm with you as far as the 'oddness'' of the questions go. I've actually only run into one transwoman who told me she wished she could have a period like a 'real' (her words, not mine) woman.
I still sort of want to go 'WHY?!' though..


I don't know why anyone who didn't have to suffer through the unpleasant symptoms menstruating can offer either, PrincessJessie, but maybe it's something along the lines of what DarkSteven has in his signature line...something about women w/straight hair wanting curly, and curly-haired women wanting straight hair. Them that's got it don't want it, and them that don't, do want it. I'm guessing some Transwomen truly want the full feminine experience, pleasant or not, and I understand that.

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 8:45:08 PM   
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OP, you mentioned several times that this thread was for Trans people to respond, well, besides you there were 2 Trans people who responded and their partners. It's been mentioned but there aren't many Trans on the boards- your thread would have been about 5 posts long had it been only responded to by Trans.

I'm thinking you aren't getting the discussion you had in mind but you're also not getting the fact that had things gone exactly the way you envisioned, you wouldn't have gotten that discussion anyway. Maybe people talking about your premise isn't so bad then considering that hardly anyone at all would have ever addressed it?



Hi Lizi, didn't realise that there were so few Trans orientated people on the boards, however that's not a problem. In time, perhaps people passing through this thread will either get something from it or not.

Guess the overall theme of the question was "Do Trans orientated people make that comparison?"

Personally, I'm delighted with all the responses, especially from genetic females. After all, isn't the goal of any Trans person is to experience most of what the better sex has to offer!

So five posts or five hundred, it's not important. I got more from the broadly worded question that was intended and that is always good.

In relation to all the responses, there are always elements of all of them that I couldn't disagree with. However OTT tongue in cheek one's, I feel may even be frowned upon by our genetic females... but there again, that's just my opinion.

That being said, just because some sentence or two, here or there, mightn't sit well with others or indeed me, it shouldn’t be a cause to be dismissive of the rest of their post.

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 8:54:32 PM   
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I guess I am going to have to redirect this back on topic again and what it was intended for.
Some Trans people see their ass as a vagina, therefore my question was do they compare the use of a butt plug, even momentarily, as to that to a genetic woman using a tampon.
Since this post began, that question was left very open and was intended for Trans people to answer. Don’t mind others answering, actually it was stated on a post earlier.
However some of the answers are ridiculous especially this one and while some genetic girls might feel the description of cramps you portrayed etc as spot on, I for one think comparing constipation to having a period in an attempt to be funny... really idiotic.
So what is your suggestion for Trans people to simulate menopause? Break their bones to “experience” what osteoporosis is like?



relax JL--it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. And since I'm trans AND have had to live through 20 years of periods....I feel completely justified to respond any way I like.

Having a period for millions of women CAN be miserable, and guess what? Constipation (and sometimes...diarrhea) bloating, cramps, IS a part of having a period. Guess who have NO IDEA what a period is like? Men and transwomen, and the occasional woman who has never had one. Having a period is much more than putting a plug in a hole. That's a very male and misogynist way of viewing it.

Buttplug equals tampon? NO. not even close. Know why? Buttplugs are designed for comfort and pleasure, and for most people, inserting and wearing a buttplug is a pleasant and erotic experience. Tampons? I don't know a single woman who inserted a tampon for pleasure.

You find my response idiotic? I personally find yours equally so.

I have all the empathy in the world for my transgender sisters who desperately want certain female experiences that they will never be physically able to have--but that wasn't the vibe I got from your post. Looked a lot more like disguised wank fodder.

edited for typos

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 9:07:51 PM   
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Hi Cloudboy

I realized this is a tangential discussion--but while there's a lot of crossover (truly no pun intended) between CD and TG--there a whole mess of Crossdressers that come to our munch that are truly happy with their male identity--we talk about it a lot--they love cross dressing for humiliation. Of course that doesn't apply to all of the cross dressers out there--christ, at this point, I know almost as many crossdressers now as I know bio-men who don't-- I'll say this. of all the TG women I know, many of them have expressed the longing to experience a period. Not one of them ever discussed putting in a butt plug as a substitute. They long for the experience of being pregnant too--they're gonna need a butt plug the size of a frickin' bowling ball for that...

Again, to the OP: If putting in a butt plug makes you (or whoever you posed the question about) feel more like a woman with a period.....go for it. no one has said "don't do it." But I think what a number of people have said to you is that it isn't apples to apples, either.

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 9:18:05 PM   
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I guess I am going to have to redirect this back on topic again and what it was intended for.
Some Trans people see their ass as a vagina, therefore my question was do they compare the use of a butt plug, even momentarily, as to that to a genetic woman using a tampon.
Since this post began, that question was left very open and was intended for Trans people to answer. Don’t mind others answering, actually it was stated on a post earlier.
However some of the answers are ridiculous especially this one and while some genetic girls might feel the description of cramps you portrayed etc as spot on, I for one think comparing constipation to having a period in an attempt to be funny... really idiotic.
So what is your suggestion for Trans people to simulate menopause? Break their bones to “experience” what osteoporosis is like?



relax JL--it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. And since I'm trans AND have had to live through 20 years of periods....I feel completely justified to respond any way I like.

Having a period for millions of women CAN be miserable, and guess what? Constipation (and sometimes...diarrhea) bloating, cramps, IS a part of having a period. Guess who have NO IDEA what a period is like? Men and transwomen, and the occasional woman who has never had one. Having a period is much more than putting a plug in a hole. That's a very male and misogynist way of viewing it.

Buttplug equals tampon? NO. not even close. Know why? Buttplugs are designed for comfort and pleasure, and for most people, inserting and wearing a buttplug is a pleasant and erotic experience. Tampons? I don't know a single woman who inserted a tampon for pleasure.

You find my response idiotic? I personally find yours equally so.

I have all the empathy in the world for my transgender sisters who desperately want certain female experiences that they will never be physically able to have--but that wasn't the vibe I got from your post. Looked a lot more like disguised wank fodder.

edited for typos


See my previous response above yours ... ... my last line on that last post of mine should sum up what I feel about most posts on here. I'm on the boards for friendship and I'm very much "relaxed".

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 9:28:25 PM   
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and that's a good thing Jennifer--
there's plenty of nice folks here.

Posting on these threads is a lot like fishing in city harbors. Pretty good chance that you are gonna reel in a whole lotta crap (my post included) that you weren't looking for---take the catches you like, throw the rest back.

Periods have always been contentious for me--not only was I remarkably sick each and every month--but it used to royally piss me off when men had zero compassion or understanding about miserable I was. (I missed school/work 2-3 days a month for years--spent a whole week puking, shitting, bleeding like a stuck pig and doubled over in pain--just so a male GYN would tell me it was "normal.")


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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 9:40:15 PM   
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They long for the experience of being pregnant too--they're gonna need a butt plug the size of a frickin' bowling ball for that...

Again, to the OP: If putting in a butt plug makes you (or whoever you posed the question about) feel more like a woman with a period.....go for it. no one has said "don't do it." But I think what a number of people have said to you is that it isn't apples to apples, either.


PMSL at "bowling ball"

As for apples and apples... well, another way of looking at it, is this then. So be it, if apples are different to oranges, the over arching theme is that they are fruit. Take political parties... whether your democrat or republican, the over all theme is both believe in a democracy. Butt plugs and Tampons... for some Trans people, maybe they might see a "theme" in that. The mere act of insertion, wearing for , no pun intended here, a Period of time. There again maybe pregnancy isn't comparable to having a tampon either

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 9:50:54 PM   
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They long for the experience of being pregnant too--they're gonna need a butt plug the size of a frickin' bowling ball for that...

Again, to the OP: If putting in a butt plug makes you (or whoever you posed the question about) feel more like a woman with a period.....go for it. no one has said "don't do it." But I think what a number of people have said to you is that it isn't apples to apples, either.


PMSL at "bowling ball"

As for apples and apples... well, another way of looking at it, is this then. So be it, if apples are different to oranges, the over arching theme is that they are fruit. Take political parties... whether your democrat or republican, the over all theme is both believe in a democracy. Butt plugs and Tampons... for some Trans people, maybe they might see a "theme" in that. The mere act of insertion, wearing for , no pun intended here, a Period of time. There again maybe pregnancy isn't comparable to having a tampon either


Trust me. Pregnancy is not even close to a tampon insertion. you don't want to go there.

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RE: Butt Plugs as Tampons - 9/13/2012 9:57:27 PM   
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They long for the experience of being pregnant too--they're gonna need a butt plug the size of a frickin' bowling ball for that...

PMSL at "bowling ball"

There again maybe pregnancy isn't comparable to having a tampon either


Trust me. Pregnancy is not even close to a tampon insertion. you don't want to go there.



Not even with a Bowling Ball? lol

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