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Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 2:00:34 PM   
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Here is the paragraph from the FOMC statement that sums it up:

"....The Committee agreed today to increase policy accommodation by purchasing additional agency mortgage-backed securities at a pace of $40 billion per month. The Committee also will continue through the end of the year its program to extend the average maturity of its holdings of securities as announced in June, and it is maintaining its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its holdings of agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities in agency mortgage-backed securities. These actions...should put downward pressure on longer-term interest rates, support mortgage markets, and help to make broader financial conditions more accommodative."

Translating from Fed-Speak, the purchase of mortgage-backed securities is Quantitative Easing. Unlike QE1 and QE2, no dollar amount or time-limit was placed on the program. The Fed essentially announced it will be purchasing $40 billion in MBS per month until further notice.

This is a monster, huge, gargantuan change from prior operations. QE1 "cost" $1.7 trillion. QE2 was half a trillion, give or take. The new plan isn't really QE3, because it's never scheduled to end. It is an entirely different, frightening animal.

What makes it scary is contained in the next paragraph:

If the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially, the Committee will continue its purchases of agency mortgage-backed securities, undertake additional asset purchases, and employ its other policy tools as appropriate until such improvement is achieved in a context of price stability. In determining the size, pace, and composition of its asset purchases, the Committee will, as always, take appropriate account of the likely efficacy and costs of such purchases.

Employment is weak and is expected to be despite the Fed's best efforts. In response, the Fed is opening the spigots even further and vowing to continue to do so until this failed strategy starts working. There's a certain willful spunkiness to the plan, but in terms of economics it's little short of bizarre.

Bottom Line: The Fed has made up new rules by lifting all restraints on existing policies. Should they desire different stimulus, the Fed will need to invent a whole new policy. It's a bullish move in the sense that pouring more money into the system inflates values. Stocks, gold, oil... basically everything except the dollar "should" go up in value.


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Incredible... simply incredible.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 2:04:58 PM   
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Yeah, and it's potential worsens even more.

We're screwed.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 2:14:31 PM   
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Maybe he thinks Romney is going to win and is planting a bomb to go off in his face come about next May or June?

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 2:20:54 PM   
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Here is the paragraph from the FOMC statement that sums it up:
"....The Committee agreed today to increase policy accommodation by purchasing additional agency mortgage-backed securities at a pace of $40 billion per month. The Committee also will continue through the end of the year its program to extend the average maturity of its holdings of securities as announced in June, and it is maintaining its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its holdings of agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities in agency mortgage-backed securities. These actions...should put downward pressure on longer-term interest rates, support mortgage markets, and help to make broader financial conditions more accommodative."
Translating from Fed-Speak, the purchase of mortgage-backed securities is Quantitative Easing. Unlike QE1 and QE2, no dollar amount or time-limit was placed on the program. The Fed essentially announced it will be purchasing $40 billion in MBS per month until further notice.
This is a monster, huge, gargantuan change from prior operations. QE1 "cost" $1.7 trillion. QE2 was half a trillion, give or take. The new plan isn't really QE3, because it's never scheduled to end. It is an entirely different, frightening animal.
What makes it scary is contained in the next paragraph:
If the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially, the Committee will continue its purchases of agency mortgage-backed securities, undertake additional asset purchases, and employ its other policy tools as appropriate until such improvement is achieved in a context of price stability. In determining the size, pace, and composition of its asset purchases, the Committee will, as always, take appropriate account of the likely efficacy and costs of such purchases.
Employment is weak and is expected to be despite the Fed's best efforts. In response, the Fed is opening the spigots even further and vowing to continue to do so until this failed strategy starts working. There's a certain willful spunkiness to the plan, but in terms of economics it's little short of bizarre.
Bottom Line: The Fed has made up new rules by lifting all restraints on existing policies. Should they desire different stimulus, the Fed will need to invent a whole new policy. It's a bullish move in the sense that pouring more money into the system inflates values. Stocks, gold, oil... basically everything except the dollar "should" go up in value.

Thanks Ben... You're FIRED!
Incredible... simply incredible.


Bern-yank-me said that this round of whatever you want to call it will tend towards having a more inflationary effect, but that there are tools they can use to keep that in check. What that means is that The Fed is going to have to do more and more to keep prices down, meaning it's going to cost us more and more to keep prices down. This could have a huge impact on Obama's re-election, in either direction. Though, I don't know that it's automatically giving the election to Romney.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 2:27:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
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Here is the paragraph from the FOMC statement that sums it up:
"....The Committee agreed today to increase policy accommodation by purchasing additional agency mortgage-backed securities at a pace of $40 billion per month. The Committee also will continue through the end of the year its program to extend the average maturity of its holdings of securities as announced in June, and it is maintaining its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its holdings of agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities in agency mortgage-backed securities. These actions...should put downward pressure on longer-term interest rates, support mortgage markets, and help to make broader financial conditions more accommodative."
Translating from Fed-Speak, the purchase of mortgage-backed securities is Quantitative Easing. Unlike QE1 and QE2, no dollar amount or time-limit was placed on the program. The Fed essentially announced it will be purchasing $40 billion in MBS per month until further notice.
This is a monster, huge, gargantuan change from prior operations. QE1 "cost" $1.7 trillion. QE2 was half a trillion, give or take. The new plan isn't really QE3, because it's never scheduled to end. It is an entirely different, frightening animal.
What makes it scary is contained in the next paragraph:
If the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially, the Committee will continue its purchases of agency mortgage-backed securities, undertake additional asset purchases, and employ its other policy tools as appropriate until such improvement is achieved in a context of price stability. In determining the size, pace, and composition of its asset purchases, the Committee will, as always, take appropriate account of the likely efficacy and costs of such purchases.
Employment is weak and is expected to be despite the Fed's best efforts. In response, the Fed is opening the spigots even further and vowing to continue to do so until this failed strategy starts working. There's a certain willful spunkiness to the plan, but in terms of economics it's little short of bizarre.
Bottom Line: The Fed has made up new rules by lifting all restraints on existing policies. Should they desire different stimulus, the Fed will need to invent a whole new policy. It's a bullish move in the sense that pouring more money into the system inflates values. Stocks, gold, oil... basically everything except the dollar "should" go up in value.

Thanks Ben... You're FIRED!
Incredible... simply incredible.


Bern-yank-me said that this round of whatever you want to call it will tend towards having a more inflationary effect, but that there are tools they can use to keep that in check. What that means is that The Fed is going to have to do more and more to keep prices down, meaning it's going to cost us more and more to keep prices down. This could have a huge impact on Obama's re-election, in either direction. Though, I don't know that it's automatically giving the election to Romney.


Romney's shown his "foreign policy expertise" the last couple of days (zero)... Bernanke just handed him an early Christmas present he can use against Obama... The economy, and economics are the only thing Mitt has going for him.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 2:34:50 PM   
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Incredible... simply incredible.

oh dont be silly.. all that stuffs is waaaaaay beyond the vast majority of voters... 58% think Obama will win..

"Americans' prediction of who will win is significant since they have generally been correct in predicting the winner of past presidential elections."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/156914/americans-predict-obama-win-2012-election.aspx

and imo Obama will win cuz when people get in that voting booth.. fear of the big bad R will cause them to vote for the devil they know, Obama..

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 3:47:03 PM   
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Ron Paul on today's acts of The Bernanke (see link for whole story)


“It should not surprise anybody, but it is still astounding. To me, it is so astounding that it does not collapse the markets. [Bernanke] said, ‘We are in very big trouble. We are going to do something unprecedented and we believe it will not hurt the dollar.’ And yet the stocks, they say ‘we love this stuff.’ But the dollar didn’t do so well today and the real value of the dollar is measured against gold, and gold skyrocketed from its very low to its highest. It means we are weakening the dollar. We are trying to liquidate our debt through inflation. The consequence of what the Fed is doing is a lot more than just CPI. It has to do with malinvestment and people doing the wrong things at the wrong time. Believe me, there is plenty of that. The one thing that Bernanke has not achieved and it frustrates him, I can tell—is he gets no economic growth. He doesn’t do anything with the unemployment numbers. I think the country should have panicked over what the Fed is saying that we have lost control and the only thing we have left is massively creating new money out of thin air, which has not worked before, and is not going to work this time.”

“Liquidity should be determined by the market. I don’t think he should raise rates. He should just get out of rigging rates. The system is so biased. It helps the bankers who get free money and then they buy government debt. What about the people who are frightened, they do not like the stock market and they are frugal and want to take care of themselves? What do they get—1% on a CD? That is unfair. It’s bad economics. You want to let the market determine interest rates and let it sort it out. People get so nervous, because we have lived so long with a Keynesian economic model of fixing interest rates and intervening in the market.”


As to would Romney do anything about the FED?

“So far, I have not heard that he would, but he has changed his mind before. If he gets to be president, we will keep our fingers crossed.”


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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 3:49:10 PM   
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oh dont be silly.. all that stuffs is waaaaaay beyond the vast majority of voters... 58% think Obama will win..

"Americans' prediction of who will win is significant since they have generally been correct in predicting the winner of past presidential elections."
http://www.gallup.com/poll/156914/americans-predict-obama-win-2012-election.aspx

and imo Obama will win cuz when people get in that voting booth.. fear of the big bad R will cause them to vote for the devil they know, Obama..



We'll see... I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Mitt will be able to explain how Bernanke just handed the banks to big to fail 40 billion dollars a month to keep them open, and enough people will sit up and take notice... Call me crazy but I believe that the majority of Americans won't be happy about the government printing 40 billion a month in yet another effort to "stimulate" the economy.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 3:56:05 PM   
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Call me crazy but I believe that the majority of Americans won't be happy about the government printing 40 billion a month in yet another effort to "stimulate" the economy.


Ok. You are crazy. Americans have put up with it so far. What's another few more miles of billions? Besides, the NEW iPhone5 ... ain't it great?


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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 3:58:56 PM   
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Call me crazy but I believe that the majority of Americans won't be happy about the government printing 40 billion a month in yet another effort to "stimulate" the economy.


Ok. You are crazy. Americans have put up with it so far. What's another few more miles of billions? Besides, the NEW iPhone5 ... ain't it great?



They have? Can I ask how you thought the Tea Party became so popular, and sent so many members to Congress in 10?

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 4:00:06 PM   
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it didnt.  those same 60 or so swing seats change hands cyle after cycle.



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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 4:14:43 PM   
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Call me crazy but I believe that the majority of Americans won't be happy about the government printing 40 billion a month in yet another effort to "stimulate" the economy.


Ok. You are crazy. Americans have put up with it so far. What's another few more miles of billions? Besides, the NEW iPhone5 ... ain't it great?



They have? Can I ask how you thought the Tea Party became so popular, and sent so many members to Congress in 10?



The TP has given up that plank in favor of more social ones. The TP hardly got behind Ron Paul.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 4:26:27 PM   
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Lets face it Romney couldnt win on his charm, tact, diplomacy, foreign policy knowledge, popularity or truth, let alone his policies and platform, Maybe Bernanke felt sorry for him

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 4:44:44 PM   
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The TP has given up that plank in favor of more social ones. The TP hardly got behind Ron Paul.


No one got behind RP because RP is a racist Twat.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 5:08:19 PM   
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Maybe Romney can hit the mics real fast and gaff out like he did when he basically informed the Dougherty family of Winchester mass the way he did the other night. Course they still had to wait 7 more hours to find out their worst nightmare had come true. Boy ...I wouldn't want to be the Romney headquarters who has to repackage that carwreck and sell it as."STATESMANSHIP"Y

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 5:23:42 PM   
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Lets face it Romney couldnt win on his charm, tact, diplomacy, foreign policy knowledge, popularity or truth, let alone his policies and platform, Maybe Bernanke felt sorry for him


Perhaps Seamus romney will get him the pet vote in the battleground states by publicly accepting his apology for the Canada trip. Oh wait, he's dead, isn't he?

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 6:37:48 PM   
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Got life savings? Kiss off the number of years you expected it to last.

On a fixed income? Start looking for meatloaf recipes that work with catfood.

The Obama Administration has already rewritten the rules we use to calculate the inflation rate, hiding the reality, but it still shows up at the grocery checkout.

Talk about throwing old people off a cliff!

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 7:07:02 PM   
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The TP has given up that plank in favor of more social ones. The TP hardly got behind Ron Paul.


No one got behind RP because RP is a racist Twat.

By your standards, he should have won the GOP by a landslide.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 7:09:34 PM   
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The Obama Administration has already rewritten the rules we use to calculate the inflation rate, hiding the reality, but it still shows up at the grocery checkout.

That's an interesting point, which I hadn't heard before and am having trouble tracking down. Is there a source you can point me to?

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/13/2012 7:18:18 PM   
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Bernanke just hands the election to Romney


On the way home on the radio, I heard Republicans whining that this was politically motivated to help Obama.

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