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A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 6:27:21 AM

slvemike4u

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I'm wondering if those who think(that in and of itself is questionable)Romney is the answer are prepared to see the United States involved in another war ?
Listening to Romney/Ryan pontificate on Iran and their attempts to arm themselves with a nuke,a voter must be given some pause,must realize that a vote for Romney is a vote for war.
And this would be a war decided by Israel,for it seems that American foreign policy would be decided in Jerusalem rather than in Washington,are American voters prepared for such an eventuality ?
Romney is supposed to be the answer to America's economic issues....how would that work against a backdrop of another extended war ?

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:06:08 AM

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I'm wondering if those who think (that in and of itself is questionable) Romney is the answer are prepared to see the United States involved in another war ?

Implied is that the US will not become involved in another war via Obama. Such implication is unwarranted as Obama has continued the middle east blunderings of Bush the Younger.

�Off the record, Paris is burning,” Senor told a group of reporters a year into the war. “On the record, security and stability are returning to Iraq.”

Since Obama the whole middle east has been gaining turmoil, not reducing it.

Senor is emblematic of how much trouble America blundered into in the Middle East — trillions wasted, so many lives and limbs lost — because of how little we fathom the culture and sectarian politics. We’re still stumbling in the dark. We not only don’t know who our allies and enemies are, we don’t know who our allies’ and enemies’ allies and enemies are.

The Democrats are as clueless as the Republicans, yet each holds to their own like a drowning man holds to a slowly deflating life support.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:20:13 AM

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You respond to my post by proving my point.
Senor is Romney's senior foreign policy adviser,he is a a neo-con of the first strip and has the candidate's ear.
Electing Romney is akin to endorsing the Bush/Cheney agenda.
And contrary to your assertion President Obama has stridently avoided allowing Bibi to set American policy.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:22:04 AM

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Since Obama the whole middle east has been gaining turmoil, not reducing it.

That may be true. But does it reflect correlation or causation?

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:23:11 AM

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Tell you what, Mike. Why don't you Google up the President's speech at West Point a couple years back, and give that a viewing. Don't just read the text. Take the time to watch. His "phone it in," bored delivery tells a story of President Obama as CIC, even better than his going to that venue, and never once using the word, "victory," when telling our nation's finest he was going to just keep sending them into a futile meatgrinder.

Maybe too, reflect a little on how the USA turned Libya into the fine mess it is today, strictly on our President's say-so. Reflect further on how it was this present administration which invented and applied the remote control exemption to the War Powers Act.

When the al Qaida flag has flown over several of our embassies in region over the last week, do you really think this is a good time to be settling yourself in for a ride on Obama's foreign policy coattails?

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:32:38 AM

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I'm going with correlation,certainly Obama has had no causation effect on the Arab spring.He is merely responding to it as best he can,while his administration can be faulted with a misstep or two,they can not be said to be blundering thru and leading with the American military.
His response in Libya and Syria has been nothing if not measured.He,unlike his predecessor does not react with gut feeling or instincts....he is deliberate and thoughtful in his use of American military power.His reluctance to set that red line that Bibi so much desires,and Romney has promised has left room for negotiations and further use of sanctions.
One must ask oneself ....is it in American interest to paint ourselves into a corner where military action is concerned(this would be the result of any line in the sand that Romney wants to draw)?
Wouldn't any eventual military response be more effective absent such a declaration ?
Should Israel dictate to America her use of force ?
Would not that be a case of the tail wagging the dog?

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:36:41 AM

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Nobody is voting for Romney. They're either voting for Obama or against him. Romney himself hardly figures in the equation. The only positive reason I've heard for voting for him is his business skills, and anyone citing them precedes that with saying how poor Obama's economy is.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:37:21 AM

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And contrary to your assertion President Obama has stridently avoided allowing Bibi to set American policy.

And how is American middle east policy under Obama doing? The point of my post above was not about Senor and Romney but that Obama is as stumbling in the dark as Bush was. I cannot fathom how I was proving your point.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:38:41 AM

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When the al Qaida flag has flown over several of our embassies in region over the last week, do you really think this is a good time to be settling yourself in for a ride on Obama's foreign policy coattails?

Do we know for sure that it was specifically an al-Qaeda flag? I'm having trouble finding sources other than right-wing blogs that nail that down.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:43:08 AM

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Nobody is voting for Romney. They're either voting for Obama or against him. Romney himself hardly figures in the equation. The only positive reason I've heard for voting for him is his business skills, and anyone citing them precedes that with saying how poor Obama's economy is.

Exactly DS,and what I'm suggestion is that those folks think a little bit about what their "anyone but Obama" vote really means.
This putz couldn't even go over to England without stepping on his crank.
If he can not even handle a visit to our closest allies what sort of mish mash would this man's election engender ?

Yeah Rich,I will gladly tie myself to President Obama's coattails where foreign policy is concerned.On the whole he has donea more than credible job in this area.....and restored some of our standing around the world,a standing that had taken quite a beating under the previous administration.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:43:36 AM

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It's a black flag, with a partucular Islamic phrase written on it in white, DC. Some media call it an Islamist flag. It might be better called the flag of jihad, but there is no quibble about it all it being this flag, or that one.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:51:37 AM

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U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi was not premeditated, directly contradicting top Libyan officials who say the attack was planned in advance.

“Our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous – not a premeditated – response to what had transpired in Cairo,” Rice told me this morning on “This Week.”

Really?!?!?

Libya President Mohamed Yousef El-Magariaf said Sunday that 50 arrests have been made in connection with last week's "preplanned" attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that left U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead.

"The way these perpetrators acted and moved -- I think we, and they're choosing the specific date for this so-called demonstration, I think we have no, this leaves us with no doubt that this was pre-planned, determined," Magariaf said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

Our middle east foreign policy is in shambles. Can't blame Bush for this one.

edit:

Foreign Ministry official on signs of 'radicalization' in Arab world: �We knew what was happening, but the Americans preferred to find excuses.�

For months before the most recent attacks on U.S. embassies in North African states, Foreign Ministry and U.S. State Department officials had been arguing over developments in these countries. Senior figures in Jerusalem claimed that Washington was burying its head in the sand and ignoring the increasing radicalization in states such as Tunisia and Egypt.

The Obama administration, which since the beginning of the Arab Spring has aided, directly or indirectly, the forces that brought down the dictatorial regimes in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen and Lybia, now finds itself in a position of helplessness. The attack on the consulate in Benghazi, in which the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed, and the storming of the U.S. embassies in Tunis, Sanaa and Cairo, proved the great hostility to the United States and the unwillingness of these country's new leaders to challenge domestic public opinion.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 7:56:07 AM

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Im tossing my hat in with those who are saying it was pre planned. They even had the safehouse staked out and mortars pre aimed.
You don't do that on the spur of the moment.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 8:11:15 AM

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Rather than a discussion of the present administration's foreign policy I was hoping that we could hear from our right wing posters their thoughts on the prospects of Romney/Ryan's possible policies.
I,for one,am more than concerned over the prospects of Romney sitting in the Oval Office.
How about it Rich,I understand you have multiple criticisms of the current admin.....what do you think sweeping them out of office would accomplish foreign policy wise ?

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 8:20:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
I'm wondering if those who think (that in and of itself is questionable) Romney is the answer are prepared to see the United States involved in another war ?

Implied is that the US will not become involved in another war via Obama. Such implication is unwarranted as Obama has continued the middle east blunderings of Bush the Younger.

�Off the record, Paris is burning,” Senor told a group of reporters a year into the war. “On the record, security and stability are returning to Iraq.”

Since Obama the whole middle east has been gaining turmoil, not reducing it.

Senor is emblematic of how much trouble America blundered into in the Middle East — trillions wasted, so many lives and limbs lost — because of how little we fathom the culture and sectarian politics. We’re still stumbling in the dark. We not only don’t know who our allies and enemies are, we don’t know who our allies’ and enemies’ allies and enemies are.

The Democrats are as clueless as the Republicans, yet each holds to their own like a drowning man holds to a slowly deflating life support.

Why are you trying to attach Senor, neocon Bush and Romney advisor, to Obama?

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 8:20:53 AM

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If you watched the speech I referred you to, Mike, you would know my answer to your newest question, whether you agree with it or not.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 8:31:21 AM

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Have previously seen the speech and read the text...so there is no need...and no that doesn't answer the question of why do you not fear what a President Romney would do vis a vis foreign policy.

Rich let me assure you I am well aware of Obama's foreign policy,do I think he has been perfect? of course not,do I agree with the big picture direction our policies are taking under President Obama ?
Yes I do...and will gladly cast another vote for him,what I want to know is how can anyone in good conscious vote for a man who says he will fix the economy simultaneously promising a much more aggressive use of American forces in the ME in generally and Iran specifically....all the while promising more tax cuts for the rich.
I thought the deficit was issue n
#1....how do conservatives look in the mirror and vote for this empty suit ?

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 8:39:29 AM

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#1....how do conservatives look in the mirror and vote for this empty suit ?

By observing the performance of the empty suit that suckered so many, last time around, Mike.

He's not up to the job. We need to let him go.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 9:05:04 AM

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Sorry,Rich....I probably should have held this thread till Monday,it's an NFL sunday and the Yankees are fighting for the their playoff lives in the AL east...I just don't have time to disavow you of your erroneous beliefs.
Perhaps others can pick up the slack for me...off to watch the Giant game(while dvr'ing the Yankees...lol,won't get to that till after the Jets) back some time around 11 EST.:-)

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/16/2012 9:12:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
I'm wondering if those who think (that in and of itself is questionable) Romney is the answer are prepared to see the United States involved in another war ?

Implied is that the US will not become involved in another war via Obama. Such implication is unwarranted as Obama has continued the middle east blunderings of Bush the Younger.

�Off the record, Paris is burning,” Senor told a group of reporters a year into the war. “On the record, security and stability are returning to Iraq.”

Since Obama the whole middle east has been gaining turmoil, not reducing it.

Senor is emblematic of how much trouble America blundered into in the Middle East — trillions wasted, so many lives and limbs lost — because of how little we fathom the culture and sectarian politics. We’re still stumbling in the dark. We not only don’t know who our allies and enemies are, we don’t know who our allies’ and enemies’ allies and enemies are.

The Democrats are as clueless as the Republicans, yet each holds to their own like a drowning man holds to a slowly deflating life support.

Why are you trying to attach Senor, neocon Bush and Romney advisor, to Obama?

Should you decide to use that matter between your ears you'll notice it's about Obama being as much clueless as Bush was. I bolded the salient part for you.

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