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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 6:12:35 PM

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Of course it wont Mike, those voting for him will never see themselves as anything but superior to the " 47% of americans who are leeching, shiftless and "victims" "

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 6:39:31 PM

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"Memo To Mitt Romney: The 47% Pay Taxes Too"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetnovack/2012/09/17/memo-to-mitt-romney-the-47-pay-taxes-too/

The last line in priceless.....

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 6:44:08 PM

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Ignoring the contemptuousness and class implications, does Romney have any clue that he basically said he's starting off with 47% of the voters voting for his opponent before he even begins to campaign, and that he needs to win over every single remaining vote but 3%? Hell, I'd throw in the towel if I were being asked to support someone facing those odds.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 6:59:04 PM

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How would he govern while under similar pressure?

About as badly as he`s campaigning now.....

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 7:19:50 PM

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It's worse than that Lucy, I've been doing an annotated transcription of the recording right now. So I've listened to it over and over. What he does is declare 47% of all americans are sself-proclaimed victims who contribute nothing. Anyone who isn't completely out of touch knows this isn't even close to true. Not only are his numbers totally OUT THERE, he is tacetlly implying republicans view the poor just the was it's always been pitched by liberals... The rest of America are "Them", "Those people".

47% of all Americans is A LOT more than the poor.

And they call Obama an "elitist".

I think there's some overreaction going on in this thread. When it comes to partisan differentiation, Republican voters like to characterize the Democrats as losers --- the parasitic enablers who transfer money from hard working Americans to undeserving welfare deadbeats, loafers, and ganga-heads. Low income voters tend to vote democratic by about a 75% margin. What Romney said is not so much an "informed view" or "actual opinion" as it is a negative tag.

There was a study conducted a while ago about "fairness." It was used to help analyze European voter ideas about the Greek bailout. It was noted that many people would prefer to be "fair" to the detriment to an entire society, namely that $$ should not go someone in trouble who did not earn them, even if giving that money over the long haul would increase an overall society's wealth. In the instant case, many voters felt it was better to punish the Greeks (and have all of Europe suffer from the fallout) than to reward a profligate nation (and have a higher European standard of living.)

I think this operating principal is huge in the Republican mind. Its why they tend to hate social programs, they see them as unfair. Whereas if you take national defense, arguably the the most bloated, wasteful program in the US budget, Republicans have no problem with it. Why? No group of Americans receives any unfair advantages from defense spending.

In sum Republicans hate programs that help people because they are unfair, but they like programs that help no one in particular (because no one is getting an unfair advantage.)

Take subrob as a case in point. He would not come out and say it, but he would have preferred the US fall into a cataclysmic recession rather than unfairly dole out money via TARP, the GM bailout, and stimulus spending. Its better to punish wrong-doers and have the whole nation suffer, than to offer help.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 7:36:34 PM

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Ignoring the contemptuousness and class implications, does Romney have any clue that he basically said he's starting off with 47% of the voters voting for his opponent before he even begins to campaign, and that he needs to win over every single remaining vote but 3%? Hell, I'd throw in the towel if I were being asked to support someone facing those odds.

Those numbers only work if 100% of the voters were for Obama. Since less than half are registered democrats, and we then take 47% of those... Well, you get the picture... Not very bad odds after all, especially since they're not voting for Romney anyway.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 7:40:24 PM

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I would like to hear what Obama says in 'private' about Romney supporters.

Who cares. Count on a new commercial showing Romney calling the middle class names, My guess is in 48 - 72 hours.
If it were mine to do? I would just run it raw and at the end switch to a screen that says "What side of the 47% line are you on?".

Bottom line is this will cost him a good 5% when all is said and done. This is worse than "Read my lips". It shows what a sneaky shit he is.

BTW - You are MIGHTY NAIVE if you think this just boils down to an insult about democrats. Mighty naive indeed.

Ya think ?

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 7:41:06 PM

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I think he's showing the contempt that
many of the rich or super rich have for
large segments of American society.

It's very ironic, of course. Wealthy
Republicans conjured the welfare
queen to stir up blue collar and
lower middle class voters and get
their votes. That they are looked
down upon to much the same
extent by the guys at the top is
lost on them.

Those spongers expecting that social
security check when they retire.
And they never built anything those
losers.

You have a candidate for president
saying that almost fifty percent of
Americans are freeloaders. I'm guessing
a good 25 percent more are on the
slacky side to in his estimation.
But Obama is the elitist.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 7:42:23 PM

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Of course it wont Mike, those voting for him will never see themselves as anything but superior to the " 47% of americans who are leeching, shiftless and "victims" "

I was referring to the 5 to 10% Romney characterized as in the middle.It is them that his focus groups are attempting to manipulate.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 7:51:14 PM

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~FR~ 10:25 PM EST

A Romney press availability.
The desperate candidate claims he was talking about the process of getting elected.
Calling the 47% "victims" was inelegant. Ya think?
Whew! and we thought he was being contemptuous of nearly half of the country.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 8:30:41 PM

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Kinda fucks up that whole "Obama promoting class warefare" tact...................

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 8:36:41 PM

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Now to get back to the OP... I really don't think this "revelation" will surprise or upset any of the people who plan on voting for Romney anyway... Just sayin'

You're right. The wealthy will never care about anyone who makes what you and eye earn. But are you insiuating that middle class independents who'xe come to the Romney camp will not get what this means and take offense?

Dream on

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 8:42:10 PM

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Also kind of fucks up that whole jesus freak thing republicans like to do...WWJD.....I don't he'd tell 47% of the population to fuckoff..

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 9:00:26 PM

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Ignoring the contemptuousness and class implications, does Romney have any clue that he basically said he's starting off with 47% of the voters voting for his opponent before he even begins to campaign, and that he needs to win over every single remaining vote but 3%? Hell, I'd throw in the towel if I were being asked to support someone facing those odds.

Agreed. Just numerically speaking, it's a fool's errand. One T.A. in the Dept has been tasked with research on how often, if ever, major donors have cut back on a candidate this close to the election. I'm very curious what he'll learn.

But I strongly feel that Indy voters who are in the blue collar sector are going to realize the the Middle class is the largest percentage of the people Romney is referring to and there will be a measurable impact. Very measurable in fact.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 9:08:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Ignoring the contemptuousness and class implications, does Romney have any clue that he basically said he's starting off with 47% of the voters voting for his opponent before he even begins to campaign, and that he needs to win over every single remaining vote but 3%? Hell, I'd throw in the towel if I were being asked to support someone facing those odds.

Those numbers only work if 100% of the voters were for Obama. Since less than half are registered democrats, and we then take 47% of those... Well, you get the picture... Not very bad odds after all, especially since they're not voting for Romney anyway.

The most embarrassing losers in Mitt`s comments are those folks who fall under his economic description but who`re republican.

The folks Mitt bashed as dependent on gov. are in both parties......especially the elderly and retired.

"hey you medicaid recipients........you suck if you don`t for me...... If you do vote for me......then you only suck a little.....

Not sure the best way to win undecided votes is to insult and belittle a majority of Americans.

Or is this a desperate plea ........still trying to get cons to vote for him?

Strange that Mitt and his ilk are always accusing others of using "class warfare"....pitting one American against the other.......and then he makes that comment......

Don`t you cons get tired of defending the indefensible?

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 9:18:27 PM

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I still think they are throwing the election for a reason..more and more evidence everyday .....

and now ...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-17/today-mitt-romney-lost-the-election.html
By Josh Barro

Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election

You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney's campaign for president.
On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans "believe that they are victims."

He laments: "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
So what's the upshot? "My job is not to worry about those people," he says. He also notes, describing President Obama's base, "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax."

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he's been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.

Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama's claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he's been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.
(That one is especially problematic given the speculation about what's on Mitt's unreleased pre-2010 tax returns.)

Corn tells us there are more embarrassing moments on segments of the video he hasn't released yet. Romney jokes that he'd be more likely to win the election if he were Hispanic. He makes some awkward comments about whether he was born with a "silver spoon" in his mouth.
But those are survivable. The really disastrous thing is the clip about "victims," and the combination of contempt and pity that Romney shows for anyone who isn't going to vote for him.

Romney is the most opaque presidential nominee since Nixon, and people have been reduced to guessing what his true feelings are. This video provides an answer: He feels that you're a loser. It's not an answer that wins elections.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 9:40:26 PM

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Ignoring the contemptuousness and class implications, does Romney have any clue that he basically said he's starting off with 47% of the voters voting for his opponent before he even begins to campaign, and that he needs to win over every single remaining vote but 3%? Hell, I'd throw in the towel if I were being asked to support someone facing those odds.

Those numbers only work if 100% of the voters were for Obama. Since less than half are registered democrats, and we then take 47% of those... Well, you get the picture... Not very bad odds after all, especially since they're not voting for Romney anyway.

rob, let me try again.

My take on Romney's statement was that he was saying that 47% of Americans were on some sort of government subsidy, and that 100% of those (or near 100%) on assistance would vote for Obama. In other words, Romney would need to take almost 100% of the 53% that were not on government assistance to win.

I get the feeling that your interpretation of Romney's words, is different than that.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 9:53:32 PM

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Well sure DS,he MUST read it in a different light...otherwise he realizes that he is getting the shaft......and since the Republicans satisfy his biases he knows there's no where else for him to go.
In other words he has thrown his lot in with these bastards so he can't/ won't allow himself to see how he has been screwed

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 9:59:55 PM

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Also kind of fucks up that whole jesus freak thing republicans like to do...WWJD.....I don't he'd tell 47% of the population to fuckoff..

He's gonna need Jesus AND Art Bell... It keeps getting worse:

He makes comes out with a Mexican Joke ...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/romney-faults-those-dependent-on-government/

In an audio clip posted online from the same fund-raiser, apparently by the person who gave the videos to Mother Jones, Mr. Romney is heard joking that he would have an easier time winning the election if his father had been born to Mexican parents.
“My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company,” Mr. Romney says in the audio clip. “But he was born in Mexico, and, uh, had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I’d have a better shot at winning this.”

Whats next? "I'll get you guys outta hock with those ch*nks"?

I don't know, might be time to head to the tabernacle, get on the God-o-phone and ask what kind of off-color commentary "the lord" recommends next.

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RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thin... - 9/17/2012 10:15:41 PM

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Strange that Mitt and his ilk are always accusing others of using "class warfare"....pitting one American against the other.......and then he makes that comment......

Don`t you cons get tired of defending the indefensible?

When you cook it all down, he's calling the middle class a bunch of peasants looking for a handout.

And what he's said about it since he found out he had screwed both himself and the pooch, he responded "I was speaking off the cuff" and "it wasn't elegant". In middle class American the translates to: "The middle class are peasants that owe us for their existence" and "WTF Did I say?".

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