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graceadieu -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:03:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Ignoring the contemptuousness and class implications, does Romney have any clue that he basically said he's starting off with 47% of the voters voting for his opponent before he even begins to campaign, and that he needs to win over every single remaining vote but 3%? Hell, I'd throw in the towel if I were being asked to support someone facing those odds. Those numbers only work if 100% of the voters were for Obama. Since less than half are registered democrats, and we then take 47% of those... Well, you get the picture... Not very bad odds after all, especially since they're not voting for Romney anyway. No, Romney was talking about the 47% of all Americans that don't pay federal income tax. He says, "I mean the President starts off with 48,49... he starts off with a huge number. These are the people that pay no income tax." (Edited to add:) So what he's saying is that the 47% that don't pay federal income tax will all support Obama from the get-go. Now, of course, in reality, quite a few of those 47% are Republicans. In fact, the states with lowest percentage of federal income tax payers are almost all "red states". Then he says, "And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." So what he's saying is: A large chunk of my own supporters are irresponsible moochers and I'm not going to worry about them. How is this guy going to win again?

MrRodgers -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:07:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I would like to hear what Obama says in 'private' about Romney supporters. Greedy capitalist scum...and he'd be much more accurate.

MrRodgers -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:11:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner Meh. These are the same Obama voters who call everyone who disagrees with Obama a racist, a right wing extremist, and a tea bagger. Obama ideologues will be outraged while free thinkers will just laugh at the blatant hypocrisy of the cult of Obama. Hardly.

MrRodgers -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:14:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alltiedup57 At the same time how can we afford Obama.. In my eyes I don't want to vote for either. One is handing out money we don't have, the other wants to cut programs that are important to the less fortunate . There has to be a better way! Well, we could always start a couple a wars, oh and after another $5 trillion in tax cuts that will be stashed off-shore...not creating a single job. Like I've said, America's wars are a racket, all about a profit and they'll be damned if they are going to pay any taxes on that.

graceadieu -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:21:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I still think they are throwing the election for a reason..more and more evidence everyday ..... I don't think they're trying to throw the election. But I do think that all the serious potential Republican candidates (Christie, Giuliani, etc) decided to wait it out till next time for one reason or another, so they ended up having to pick the best of a bunch of losers.

subrob1967 -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:26:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Now to get back to the OP... I really don't think this "revelation" will surprise or upset any of the people who plan on voting for Romney anyway... Just sayin' You're right. The wealthy will never care about anyone who makes what you and eye earn. But are you insiuating that middle class independents who'xe come to the Romney camp will not get what this means and take offense? Dream on Nope, they're sick of the generational welfare leeches too. Like I said, the only people who will care about this video weren't going to vote for Romney anyway... And the democrats who are pretending to care about the welfare class.

subrob1967 -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:29:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven rob, let me try again. My take on Romney's statement was that he was saying that 47% of Americans were on some sort of government subsidy, and that 100% of those (or near 100%) on assistance would vote for Obama. In other words, Romney would need to take almost 100% of the 53% that were not on government assistance to win. I get the feeling that your interpretation of Romney's words, is different than that. Seeing how Romney was talking about Obama supporters, I believe he was only talking about the registered Democrats, and not registered voters.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:31:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I still think they are throwing the election for a reason..more and more evidence everyday ..... Lucy, relax... He's got a big comeback play planned in New Jersey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u3dqXRcFFM

crazyml -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:31:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Ignoring the contemptuousness and class implications, does Romney have any clue that he basically said he's starting off with 47% of the voters voting for his opponent before he even begins to campaign, and that he needs to win over every single remaining vote but 3%? Hell, I'd throw in the towel if I were being asked to support someone facing those odds. Those numbers only work if 100% of the voters were for Obama. Since less than half are registered democrats, and we then take 47% of those... Well, you get the picture... Not very bad odds after all, especially since they're not voting for Romney anyway. I'm assuming that you're just about sane enough to appreciate that the race is going to be close right? The presidential election is going to be decided by the swing voters... about 10% of total voters. So the question is "What impact do you think this will have on those swing voters?". If you think they'll all agree with Romney's sentiments, then this was a master stroke. If you think this might cost Romney, say 2%, then it just got a lot harder for Romney.

Lucylastic -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/17/2012 11:43:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven rob, let me try again. My take on Romney's statement was that he was saying that 47% of Americans were on some sort of government subsidy, and that 100% of those (or near 100%) on assistance would vote for Obama. In other words, Romney would need to take almost 100% of the 53% that were not on government assistance to win. I get the feeling that your interpretation of Romney's words, is different than that. Seeing how Romney was talking about Obama supporters, I believe he was only talking about the registered Democrats, and not registered voters. ERM NO He actually SAID There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax. Romney went on: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." maybe you should actually watch the video, so you dont fall for your own bs again Remember all the comments of 47% of americans dont pay income tax??????? that is what he is TALKING about. @After a restriction was lifted, Mother Jones reported that this fundraiser was held at the Boca Raton home of controversial private equity manager Marc Leder on May 17

subrob1967 -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 2:50:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic ERM NO He actually SAID There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax. Romney went on: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." maybe you should actually watch the video, so you dont fall for your own bs again Remember all the comments of 47% of americans dont pay income tax??????? that is what he is TALKING about. @After a restriction was lifted, Mother Jones reported that this fundraiser was held at the Boca Raton home of controversial private equity manager Marc Leder on May 17 Like I said, he's talking about Democrat registered voters, or about 47% of the Democrat registered electorate. Now according to Gallup 31% of Americans identified as Democrats. Now we subtract 47% from the 31% that registered Democrat and that leaves about 14.5% of the Democrat electorate. Again, what is the problem here? Is your argument that there really aren't 14.5% Americans on government assistance? Or is your side having a hissy fit because Romney told the truth, and your side doesn't like the truth?

crazyml -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 3:13:28 AM)
Nonsense. He was talking about the total vote. Let's work on that reading comprehension of yours!

Politesub53 -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 3:50:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Seeing how Romney was talking about Obama supporters, I believe he was only talking about the registered Democrats, and not registered voters. He clearly said otherwise. I`m guessing you havent made detective yet, his words are not hard to find. "Because they voted for him, they don't want to be told that they were wrong, that he's a bad guy, that he did bad things, that he's corrupt," he says, referring to independent voters who chose Mr Obama in 2008. "

Politesub53 -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 3:53:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I still think they are throwing the election for a reason..more and more evidence everyday ..... Lucy, relax... He's got a big comeback play planned in New Jersey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u3dqXRcFFM Maybe the GOP realise taken over an economy they broke, and isnt easily fixed, wouldnt be a smart move just yet.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 5:07:32 AM)
What I think is as interesting is inside of the speak is the reality that Republicans really DO believe the Middle Class and Poor should pay more taxes. That the Rich SHOULD get a bigger piece of the economic pie. That implicitly wealth has already been transferred from Rich to Poor and they are tired of it. I would hope that as a Party they finally have the balls to say it out loud. It would finally allow us to have a full open honest discussion about the issue.

mnottertail -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 5:54:19 AM)
Like I said, he's talking about Democrat registered voters, or about 47% of the Democrat registered electorate. Now according to Gallup 31% of Americans identified as Democrats. Now we subtract 47% from the 31% that registered Democrat and that leaves about 14.5% of the Democrat electorate. Again, what is the problem here? Is your argument that there really aren't 14.5% Americans on government assistance? Or is your side having a hissy fit because Romney told the truth, and your side doesn't like the truth? LOLOLOL subtract? why not plot it as a riemann function? inumeracy is all about not knowing numbers. so 14.5% of those are registered democrats, and actually thats probably not true. The largest part of those are old retired white folks, those good old wal-mart republicans.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 6:00:47 AM)
FR Well, no real surprises here. What do people think Republicans say when they think they are on their own? It's not all let's hold hands with the disenfranchised and Kumbaya. And people who vote Republican believe in the sentiments expressed. Republicans support that type of rhetoric. Do people really expect something different? When will people realize what conservative politics in this country mean??? [&:]

tweakabelle -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 6:33:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML ~FR~ 10:25 PM EST A Romney press availability. The desperate candidate claims he was talking about the process of getting elected. Calling the 47% "victims" was inelegant. Ya think? Whew! and we thought he was being contemptuous of nearly half of the country.[8\|] Thank you so much VincentML for your sharp observation. It is important that we remember Mittens was simply being "inelegant" and not expressing contempt for the lower orders no matter how much they deserved it, as some riff raff have brazenly claimed. I think that this speech gives the lie to the socialist slander about Mittens being out of touch with ordinary people (or do we call them folk nowadays? I can never remember.). In fact, quite the opposite - it shows how Mittens is really on top of the pressing issues facing those who, sadly, can no longer claim to 8 or 9 zeroes on the right side of the decimal dot in their net worth. It is indeed more than a trifle difficult to be elegant when you are down to your last $10 million or less. It's been so long since caviar was on special at Harrod's. It has been ages since I found any Versace or Givenchy while rummaging at my local op-shop. I've even heard of some unfortunate mere millionaires who can't even afford a second hand Maserati (Yes! second-hand - how the mighty have fallen!) and others reduced to suffering the privations of a mere 4 star resort for their holidays. Inelegant? Of course! Such indignity! See what socialism delivers? We should remember these are tough times, and it takes cash, and lots of it, to remain elegant. The obvious way to remedy this glaring social injustice is to reduce the income tax burden on those who are trying to stretch their millions, and spread the net a little wider so that those hideous 47% spongers can no longer escape their obligation to help those unfortunate oligarchs who have hit on hard times.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 6:46:42 AM)
Actually, Romney should be nicer to welfare recipients. They're his biggest supporters. [image]local://upfiles/664494/40089EDB61AA42DAA95149B6B225F45A.jpg[/image]

Marc2b -> RE: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters (9/18/2012 6:47:46 AM)
People don't see far out of their own windows.

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