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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 4:21:42 AM   
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That, of course, is evidence George shot Martin. NOT evidence that George brandished or held him at gun point.

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How at EVERY TURN, Zimmerman chose to cause and escalate the confrontation.


Nope, not seeing any evidence of Zimmerman causing or escalating anything.


Why else would Trayvon Martin have tried to physically defend himself?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 4:36:44 AM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 5:08:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		You said that Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman, right? And that Zimmerman had to kill him in self-defense, right?

So, why did Trayvon Martin attack Zimmerman, if not to defend himself from Zimmerman's unlawful attempt to detain him at gunpoint?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 5:41:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Who knows what was running through Trayvon's head to cause him to attack George? What runs through the mind of anyone who attacks someone for no apparent reason? (It happens a lot).

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 5:50:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why did two teenagers kill their great grandmother unprovoked with a hatchet in Wisconsin? Why did a 13 year old in NYC brag to his friend "Watch what I'm going to do to this guy" before punching a 24 year old in the face and chasing him leading to the 24 year old's death?

There's no reason to assume they were defending themselves any more than there is reason to assume Trayvon was when he broke Zimmerman's nose, knocked him down, straddled him and continued beating him.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 5:51:04 AM   
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What runs through the mind of anyone who attacks someone for no apparent reason? (It happens a lot).

Evil.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 8:12:45 AM   
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Who knows what was running through Trayvon's head to cause him to attack George? What runs through the mind of anyone who attacks someone for no apparent reason? (It happens a lot).


Yet you seem to know what was running through George Zimmerman's head, causing him to kill Trayvon Martin.

How is that possible? You must be giving credit to George Zimmerman's claims, which we all know aren't credible. It appears as if you are endorsing "The Last Man Standing Tells The Truth" vigilante-style "justice". But that can't be correct, can it?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 8:14:23 AM   
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Why did two teenagers kill their great grandmother unprovoked with a hatchet in Wisconsin? Why did a 13 year old in NYC brag to his friend "Watch what I'm going to do to this guy" before punching a 24 year old in the face and chasing him leading to the 24 year old's death?

There's no reason to assume they were defending themselves any more than there is reason to assume Trayvon was when he broke Zimmerman's nose, knocked him down, straddled him and continued beating him.


Well, there's the whole "George Zimmerman pursued and tried to unlawfully detain Trayvon Martin" thing...

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 8:16:24 AM   
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Why did two teenagers kill their great grandmother unprovoked with a hatchet in Wisconsin? Why did a 13 year old in NYC brag to his friend "Watch what I'm going to do to this guy" before punching a 24 year old in the face and chasing him leading to the 24 year old's death?

There's no reason to assume they were defending themselves any more than there is reason to assume Trayvon was when he broke Zimmerman's nose, knocked him down, straddled him and continued beating him.


Not only irrelevant, but wholly nonsensical.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 8:23:44 AM   
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Why did two teenagers kill their great grandmother unprovoked with a hatchet in Wisconsin? Why did a 13 year old in NYC brag to his friend "Watch what I'm going to do to this guy" before punching a 24 year old in the face and chasing him leading to the 24 year old's death?

There's no reason to assume they were defending themselves any more than there is reason to assume Trayvon was when he broke Zimmerman's nose, knocked him down, straddled him and continued beating him.


Not only irrelevant, but wholly nonsensical.


No more or less irrelevant and nonsensical as fargle's claim it was addressed to.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 8:24:44 AM   
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Well, there's the whole "George Zimmerman pursued and tried to unlawfully detain Trayvon Martin" thing...



There's the whole "There's no evidence of trying to detain" Martin thing.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:06:42 PM   
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Well, there's the whole "George Zimmerman pursued and tried to unlawfully detain Trayvon Martin" thing...



There's the whole "There's no evidence of trying to detain" Martin thing.

In farglbargles mind the fact that Zimmerman says he didn't try to detain Martin is absolute proof that he did.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:07:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		If Zimmerman didn't try to detain Martin, why did Martin fight back?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:11:40 PM   
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If Zimmerman didn't try to detain Martin, why did Martin fight back?

He was being followed and doubled back to "deal" with him. What kind of an idiot who knowing he has lost a man following him (see Dee Dees statement) would double back and confront him if he was brandishing a weapon.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:17:31 PM   
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If Zimmerman didn't try to detain Martin, why did Martin fight back?

He was being followed and doubled back to "deal" with him. What kind of an idiot who knowing he has lost a man following him (see Dee Dees statement) would double back and confront him if he was brandishing a weapon.


I assume that the dead victims affidavit corroberates this analysis?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:21:19 PM   
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If Zimmerman didn't try to detain Martin, why did Martin fight back?

He was being followed and doubled back to "deal" with him. What kind of an idiot who knowing he has lost a man following him (see Dee Dees statement) would double back and confront him if he was brandishing a weapon.


I assume that the dead victims affidavit corroberates this analysis?

Dee Dee does

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:23:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who is Dee Dee, and what did she say to Martin when she was told that Martin was going to double back to 'deal' with him? 

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:45:18 PM   
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Who is Dee Dee, and what did she say to Martin when she was told that Martin was going to double back to 'deal' with him? 

Martins girlfriend. She stated that Martin told here that he had lost Zimmerman. When she told him to get home he told her he wasn't going to run anymore soon after this the confrontation began. Both Martin and Zimmerman said that Martin had lost him. Them meeting after this was either accidental with Martin moving away from his home and Zimmerman moving toward his truck. Or Martin doubled back to confront him.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 12:59:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		not going to run anymore is not proof of a double back, a single back or any sort of intent to confront.

If it is, then Zimmerman is a cut and dried murderer based on the same logic.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:03:34 PM   
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not going to run anymore is not proof of a double back, a single back or any sort of intent to confront.

If it is, then Zimmerman is a cut and dried murderer based on the same logic.

It is a clear indication that he had no intent to avoid confrontation. With Zimmerman having lost him and heading back to his truck they can't meet unless Martin doubles back.

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