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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:08:39 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		or, with zimmerman not having lost him, or not doubling back to his truck.......

what sworn testimony cooroborates that zimmmerman story? 

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:18:43 PM   
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or, with zimmerman not having lost him, or not doubling back to his truck.......

what sworn testimony cooroborates that zimmmerman story? 

The location of the confrontation is consistent with Zimmermans story. Remember according to both Zimmermans story and Dee Dee's account of the phone conversation Martin lost Zimmerman, once lost it would have been easy to stay lost. What sworn testimony says that Zimmerman track Martin down again? Are you assuming that they both lied on the phone about Martin having lost Zimmerman?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:25:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I am assuming lost is not found.   I am assuming that Martin was headed back to where he was going in the first place when he was chased by the crazed murderer. 

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:33:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again there is this group that continue to believe Martin was a criminal. He was not he had no criminal record, no drug dealing, felonies, theft, no violentence, NOTHING! He was not caught in an act of burglary he did not have tool, he had an Ice Tea and candy. He was not hiding out, he was staying with his Father, a well known fact. The Investigator even stated Martin at the time was not doing anything wrong! In fact the person who has a violent history is Zimmerman. Some people make up these story to justifiy open season on hoodies. Your White Sheets are showing.....

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:35:35 PM   
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Trayvon Martin was a fully grown and hardened criminal caught again in the act of burglary with break-in tools at night and in the rain while hiding out at his father's condo complex where he sought refuge awaiting Court Trials after being kicked out of hos Mothers' Community for multiple felonies of drug dealing, burglary, theft, and beating up a School Bus Driver. He was a VIOLENT CRIMINAL who pounced on the innocent Night Watchman, George Zimmerman, and was in the process of killing him by smashing his head into the concrete pavement when George pulled his gun to scare off Trayvon, but ended up pulling the trigger. Trayvon Martin GOT HIMSELF KILLED trying to kill an innocent man! Trayvon Martin was not an innocent child!


The fact that their is a trial at all is due to the national outrage on the left. Essentially this is a political trial. There is not enough evidence to support an indictment let alone a conviction. And the Stanford police were right.

Fact: Travon Martin made a huge number of seriously poor life choices. I grieve that he did. I wish that he didn't.

I will gladly buy Zimmerman a drink if ever I meet him - because it could have been me, or you, or a little old grandmother.

And I will damn sure vote to support SYG.




Your white sheets are showing too. Do you and SteelStallion go to the same meetings?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:37:51 PM   
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No, I am assuming lost is not found.   I am assuming that Martin was headed back to where he was going in the first place when he was chased by the crazed murderer. 

Wow!
Lizzie Borden took an ax
Gave her mother 40 wacks
When she saw what she had done
Gave her father 41
Now THAT is a crazed murderer!


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:40:58 PM   
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Who is Dee Dee, and what did she say to Martin when she was told that Martin was going to double back to 'deal' with him? 

Martins girlfriend. She stated that Martin told here that he had lost Zimmerman. When she told him to get home he told her he wasn't going to run anymore soon after this the confrontation began. Both Martin and Zimmerman said that Martin had lost him. Them meeting after this was either accidental with Martin moving away from his home and Zimmerman moving toward his truck. Or Martin doubled back to confront him.


Or Zimmerman located his prey, and attempted to detain him unlawfully at gunpoint.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 1:42:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		the forensic evidence says that TM was shot at 'intermediate' range.



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 2:19:07 PM   
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No, I am assuming lost is not found.   I am assuming that Martin was headed back to where he was going in the first place when he was chased by the crazed murderer. 


The location where they met up makes that unlikely. George was on the phone with NEN at the spot where they soon after met, exchanged words, and began fighting. Thus it's much more probably that Trayvon turned around and met George there rather than the obese guy managing to chase down the athlete who had a head start.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 2:20:08 PM   
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the forensic evidence says that TM was shot at 'intermediate' range.




FDLE firearms expert determined the gun was in contact with Martin's clothes.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 2:21:35 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		where is that evidence, cuz I know the other was entered into evidence.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 2:27:21 PM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		284 page document dump of evidence by the State:

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/357450/trayvon-martin-documents-ocr.pdf

"The sweatshirts each display a hole located in the upperleft chest area. The areas
around these holes were microscopically examined and chemically processed for the
presence of gunshot residues. Both holes display residues and physical effects
consistent with a contact shot."




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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 2:43:15 PM   
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The entranCe wound 1$ located OIl the left chest, 17Y.z inches below the top of the head, 1 inch to the
left of the anterior midline. and ~ inch helow the nipple. ltconsists of a % inch diameter round
entrance defect with soot, ring abrasion, and a 2 x 2 inch area of stippling. This wound is consistent

with a wound Gfentrance of intermediate range.



So, conflicting evidence, what will be the outcome of that (this is from the medical examiners autopsy)

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 2:54:23 PM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		There's no contradiction. An "Intermediate range" result can be anything from 1-18 inches, depending on what clothing was being worn etc.

Combining the two reports, it's probable that the shot was taken with the gun pressed against Martin's clothing but not quite pressed against the body.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 2:58:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		but a contact shot and an intermediate range shot are very different.  it is as consistent as a candle in the wind.


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 3:05:22 PM   
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There's no issue.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 3:33:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know why you're arguing about something as inconsquential as what distance the muzzle of the weapon was from the victim, but whatever.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 7:39:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Who is Dee Dee, and what did she say to Martin when she was told that Martin was going to double back to 'deal' with him? 

Martins girlfriend. She stated that Martin told here that he had lost Zimmerman. When she told him to get home he told her he wasn't going to run anymore soon after this the confrontation began. Both Martin and Zimmerman said that Martin had lost him. Them meeting after this was either accidental with Martin moving away from his home and Zimmerman moving toward his truck. Or Martin doubled back to confront him.


Or Zimmerman located his prey, and attempted to detain him unlawfully at gunpoint.

The location of the confrontation is consistant with Zimmerman being in route to his truck not with him having re aquired Martin and closed with him.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/27/2012 7:42:17 PM   
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I don't know why you're arguing about something as inconsquential as what distance the muzzle of the weapon was from the victim, but whatever.

The closer they were the more likely Martin instigated the confrontation.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 9/28/2012 2:36:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't get how that flows, can you please explain it clearly?

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