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I still want to know how Martin ended up face down.

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What was Zimmerman doing when he talks about how baddly he being beaten? Just lay there, arms streched out and do nothing?

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Zimmerman has a history of violence, including assault on a law enforcement officer, a know liar, malipulator, extort money from co-workers, allegations of sexual abuse etc.

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This want to be cop, decided to dispense his own personal justice on an innocent 17 year boy and now is doing what he really does best, lie about it.

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I still want to know how Martin ended up face down.

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What was Zimmerman doing when he talks about how baddly he being beaten? Just lay there, arms streched out and do nothing?

Says his jacket opened, the holster was exposed to view, Martin reached for it. In the video made of his walk-through the next day he claimed that his shirt rode up as he was trying to slide off the sidewalk and that is when Martin saw the gun. But neither your "jacket" version nor Zimmerman's shirt sliding up version makes much sense since Martins's knee and calf would have been covering that area if he was astride Zimmerman, as claimed. Also, it was very dark that night. With Martin supposidly concentrating on "bashing" Zimmerman's head, beating on his face, and smothering him, he also had time to look down, see in the darkness, through his knee, and recognize a gun? Wanna buy a bridge?

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Zimmerman has a history of violence, including assault on a law enforcement officer, a know liar, malipulator, extort money from co-workers, allegations of sexual abuse etc.

Probably irrelevent and inadmissible. I don't know if he was under the influence of either or both of the two drugs he had a prescription for, but either of them has possible side effects of increased aggression and could be a factor in his behavior that night. Combine that with his history of aggressive behavior and it could be a factor to be considered, since someone that is under the influence of those drugs should probably NOT be carrying a firearm even if he did have a permit. Also, it has been shown multiple times that what he says cannot be taken at face value and has a direct bearing on his credibility and how much of his account of what happened that night can be believed.

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This want to be cop, decided to dispense his own personal justice on an innocent 17 year boy and now is doing what he really does best, lie about it.

Just your unsupported theory.

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I still want to know how Martin ended up face down.

maybe he fell forward after he was shot and Z squirmed out from underneath?
What significance do you see, Taz?

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What was Zimmerman doing when he talks about how baddly he being beaten? Just lay there, arms streched out and do nothing?

Says his jacket opened, the holster was exposed to view, Martin reached for it.

Does not answer the question. Zimmerman has several accounts, that include stating Martin did grab the gun. Also in Osterman book, claiming this is what Zimmerman told him that Zimmerman and Martin both had their hands on the gun fighting for it. Osterman has been suspeoned by the State to testify.

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Zimmerman has a history of violence, including assault on a law enforcement officer, a know liar, malipulator, extort money from co-workers, allegations of sexual abuse etc.

Probably irrelevent and inadmissible.

Assaulting a police officer is a matter of record and was used in his bail hearings, so his him being a lair.

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This want to be cop, decided to dispense his own personal justice on an innocent 17 year boy and now is doing what he really does best, lie about it.

Just your unsupported theory.

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I still want to know how Martin ended up face down.

maybe he fell forward after he was shot and Z squirmed out from underneath?
What significance do you see, Taz?

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I still want to know how Martin ended up face down.

maybe he fell forward after he was shot and Z squirmed out from underneath?
What significance do you see, Taz?

If Martin being shot fell forward there would be blood on Zimmerman jacket front, there wasn't. In fact Zimmerman claims Martin fell backwards. Fact people fainting, injured etc, will fall forward.

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A few things to consider.

We now know that Martin DNA is not on the gun and holster, so dispite claims by Zimmerman and company.

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The medical report of Martin showed that beside the gun wound only a small scrach on Martin left ring finger no burise on the hands, knuckle no blood belong to Zimmerman, nothing under the finger nails nothing.

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In fact the only witness who claimed to have seen Martin on top of Zimmerman giving martial arts plows NOW states he does not know who was on top of who and that the person on top was only trying to keep the other person hands pinned.

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1... he falls forward, and the one beneath pushes him side ways to get out.

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Not unspported the Investigator thought the same thing.

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1... he falls forward, and the one beneath pushes him side ways to get out.

Pretty much what I said, Taz. And btw Zimmer weighed more than Martin.

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Not unspported the Investigator thought the same thing.

Oh JEEZ!!!! The investigator THOUGHT! That is also speculation; not evidence; not admissible.

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1... he falls forward, and the one beneath pushes him side ways to get out.

Pretty much what I said, Taz. And btw Zimmer weighed more than Martin.

And it's quite normal that if something heavy is on top of you and you push it sideways, that the side facing down will remain facing down after you push it off.

There really is nothing odd about Trayvon ending up face down.

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1... he falls forward, and the one beneath pushes him side ways to get out.

Pretty much what I said, Taz. And btw Zimmer weighed more than Martin.

And it's quite normal that if something heavy is on top of you and you push it sideways, that the side facing down will remain facing down after you push it off.

There really is nothing odd about Trayvon ending up face down.

LOL.. yes there is. You try it with your friends.... if you push something heavy sideways, it will fall either on its side, or tumble to its back.. its not going go land face down.

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And it's quite normal that if something heavy is on top of you and you push it sideways, that the side facing down will remain facing down after you push it off.

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There really is nothing odd about Trayvon ending up face down.

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Quite normal ? How many dead bodies have you pushed off yourself then ?

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Except he was dead..... I would call that odd, but thats just me.

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Have any evidence that basic concepts such as mass, center of gravity, friction, leverage, etc applies differently to a body once dead?

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Have any evidence that basic concepts such as mass, center of gravity, friction, leverage, etc applies differently to a body once dead?

Center of gravity and the twisting motion, coupled with the push from Zimmerman towards one side.

To make it like you stated it, he would have had to lift Martin's body completely and set him down on the ground.

Never seen a wrestling match?