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igor2003 -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (9/28/2012 5:04:14 PM)
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Who is Dee Dee, and what did she say to Martin when she was told that Martin was going to double back to 'deal' with him?
Martins girlfriend. She stated that Martin told here that he had lost Zimmerman. When she told him to get home he told her he wasn't going to run anymore soon after this the confrontation began. Both Martin and Zimmerman said that Martin had lost him. Them meeting after this was either accidental with Martin moving away from his home and Zimmerman moving toward his truck. Or Martin doubled back to confront him. What you are conveniently leaving out is the option, consistent with Zimmerman's statement, of Martin hiding in the bushes next to one of the buildings. This alone...if Martin was hiding...would be a very logical explaination as to why Martin wasn't going to run, because doing so would again expose him to Zimmerman. You keep insisting that Martin is "doubling back" from somewhere, and there is zero evidence to show that to be the case. One of the last things that Martin said to DeeDee (in a subdued voice), before the confrontation, is that the "man" was getting near, indicating that Zimmerman is the one moving toward Martin and that Martin most likely was hiding in the bushes just like Zimmerman said. And if Zimmerman was getting near enough to Martin's hiding place, Martin may have thought he was going to be found anyway and decided to emerge and ask Zimmerman why he was chasing him...especially if Martin had time to observe Zimmerman from his hiding place and see that Zimmerman didn't appear to be carrying any weapons at the time.
Or Zimmerman located his prey, and attempted to detain him unlawfully at gunpoint.
The location of the confrontation is consistant with Zimmerman being in route to his truck not with him having re aquired Martin and closed with him. It is also consistant with Martin emerging from the bushes and Zimmerman moving toward him to try to detain this person that Zimmerman had described as one of "these assholes" just a couple of minutes earlier.
Pretty much this. If George had continued chasing Trayvon far enough for Trayvon (an excellent athlete, according to his dad) to get tired enough that he's still breathing hard after a few minutes to catch his breath; it seems unlikely that the encounter would have started where it did at the T intersection, so close to the truck. I'm amazed that you apparently have never been scared or startled in your life. Adrenoline alone, even without physical exercise, can account for breathing hard and being out of breath. The 13 second time line established by Zimmerman in reaching the "T" simply isn't enough time for even the fastest runner to run all the way to Green's house, have a conversation with DeeDee, return to the "T", and hide in the bushes (according to ZIMMERMAN'S statement) later to emerge and confront Zimmerman. Had he done that, Zimmerman would have seen him do that and it would have been in his statement that he had see Martin going to hide in the bushes. But all he said he saw was Martin emerging FROM the bushes.
However, a scared black kid being chased by some unknown white man for some unknown reason has time, in those 13 seconds, to round the corner of the building and hide in the bushes, and he would no doubt be out of breath and breathing hard from just the adrenoline, and you can add to that the fact that he too had just run the same distance Zimmerman did. Also, Martin never told DeeDee that he was tired. She said she could tell he was tired because he was out of breath and breathing hard.
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