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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 9:36:30 AM   
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Still does not justifiy murder.


If this was done in self defense, then it wasn't murder.

No proof of self defense...that is up to the court.

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There is nothing I repeat NOTHING that indicated Martin was doing anything in the way of a crime.


Trayvon is not the one on trial.

Zimmerman is using what he claims Martin was doing to help justify his actions, the fact is Martin was doing nothing.


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Have you seen pictures of Martin, his arms do not show any sign of weight lifting, which make it hard for me to believe Zimmerman and the head bashing and that is beside the medical reports.


George's broken nose, 2 black eyes, 2 lacerations on the back of his head, and bruising/swelling on all sides of his head came from somewhere. Since Trayvon was the one George was pinned to the ground under while those injuries occurred, it's probable Trayvon caused them.

And I have stated before all injuries minor, the doctor stated they were already healing. No disorientation. Outside of the bullet wound the only injury to Martin was a scratch on his ring left ring finger, no burises to Martin hand, knuckles nothing. What did Martin to "Bitch slap" Zimmerman? He should have. The only witness to say he say Martin hit Zimmerman has changed his mind he can't even be sure who was on top of who?

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No Martin DNA on gun or holster!


1) Martin's DNA was only excluded from the grip. The rest of the grip and holster was inconclusive.
2) That's consistent with George's story, that the gun was in the holster until pulled as a last resort right before shooting.


NO Martin DNA was found, not consistent with Zimmerman fairy tale by the way which one of Zimmerman stories are you talking about there are so many of them or are you referring Osterman...Your crystal ball is failing again..better take it in for repairs.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 9:39:58 AM   
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What there *is* evidence of, is that they investigated the hell out of the case for some time after, and Serino telling both the media and the FBI that he did not feel there was sufficient evidence for an arrest. THAT *is* on the record.

Then SHOW it instead of tapdancing.

It goes someting like this.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/29/report-police-initially-wanted-to-make-arrest-in-trayvon-martin-case/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/29/report-police-initially-wanted-to-make-arrest-in-trayvon-martin-case/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121352/Trayvon-Martin-case-Detective-wanted-arrest-Zimmerman-manslaughter.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121352/Trayvon-Martin-case-Detective-wanted-arrest-Zimmerman-manslaughter.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/27/453123/lead-investigator-wanted-to-arrest-and-charge-zimmerman/?mobile=nc


There were approximately 144,000,000 results I dont think you want them all. LOL.

The bottom line that noone has explained why did the DA make a call at midnight? There had to be some motivation somewhere? this call is the cause of the ffoofraw. If Zim had been charged, the courts would have decided, not some pro or anti Zim lynch mob, and there would be little or no controversy about the whole thing.


Those links give the same tired old info of an affidavit that has no record of existing, and a capias request made March 12th, the same week that Serino told the media that there's no evidence to refute George's story.

And stating what evidence exists is not "tapdancing" by any stretch of the word.


So, over a million cross referenced sources saying the affidavit exists vs none showing it doesnt exist means it doesn't exist.


My tapdancing reference is a question you STILL havent answered. Why did the DA make that call?
Noone has denied that he called.

As for your claim that "Serino told the media that there's no evidence to refute George's story."

Once again, SHOW SOME EVIDENCE. You have shown nothing. All you have done is make claims and there is no backup to them. Fuck, I could CLAIM that the moon is made of green cheese and we never landed there because it was all faked on a soundstage and have exactly the same amount of evidence you've shown.


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 9:49:33 AM   
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If he fell forwards, the hands would not have been underneath him had Zimmerman wiggled out.


His hands weren't underneath him after the shooting according to W6. The one individual who reported his hands being underneath him came later, and couldn't even accurately describe what Martin was wearing.

W6, however, said after the shooting Martin's hands were to his sides, and drew a picture depicting such.


And W6 changed his story....


W6 has never changed his testimony that Martin was on top.



I never said he wasnt on top. I dont think anyone has. I said finding the body face down.. which there are pictures of... makes his story just that much more unbelievable.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 9:55:42 AM   
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As for your claim that "Serino told the media that there's no evidence to refute George's story."

Once again, SHOW SOME EVIDENCE.



This stuff has been common knowledge for ages.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-07/news/os-george-zimmerman-sanford-police-lied-20120707_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-chief-bill-lee-arrest-warrant

"Said Serino, "The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman. … We did not have enough for an arrest warrant."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency

""The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says." - Detective Serino

And the FBI Report

"Serino is concerned that many of the leaks in this case are
coming from within the Sanford Police Department. He listed Sgt AUTHOR
BARNS, REBECCA VILLENOVE (phonetic), and TREKELL PERKINS as all
pressuring him to file charges against ZIMMERMAN after the incident.
Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file
charges. "

Also notice from the second article, it addresses the claim that the DA over-ruled an arrest on the 26th...the claim came from the lawyer for Trayvon's parents, Benjamin Crump, who says he "he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter."

No proof it happened, just a claim from the Martin family lawyer, which Wolfinger denied.

The whole "retired judge made a phone call to cause the DA to intervene" thing has no basis in fact, and never has. I'm amazed that myth has persisted this long when the evidence to the contrary has been so available.

But then again, months after the fact and people are STILL claiming that George was told to stay in the car, and that never happened either.



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 9:57:07 AM   
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If he fell forwards, the hands would not have been underneath him had Zimmerman wiggled out.


His hands weren't underneath him after the shooting according to W6. The one individual who reported his hands being underneath him came later, and couldn't even accurately describe what Martin was wearing.

W6, however, said after the shooting Martin's hands were to his sides, and drew a picture depicting such.


And W6 changed his story....


W6 has never changed his testimony that Martin was on top.



I never said he wasnt on top. I dont think anyone has. I said finding the body face down.. which there are pictures of... makes his story just that much more unbelievable.


Nosathro has claimed more than once that W6 changed his story to say he wasn't sure who was on top.

Nosathro's claim never happened.

And there's nothing unbelievable about that story; there's just not enough information about it to make an assumption that it's unbelievable.


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 9:57:26 AM   
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I didnt say make an assumption. I told you to try it yourself. Go ahead.

Uhhh, have you a newly dead body you can let me borrow for the experiment?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 1:26:06 PM   
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Uh... no friends who know how to play dead?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 1:27:06 PM   
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Live necro thread?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 1:36:16 PM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 1:36:46 PM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 1:42:06 PM   
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Uh... no friends who know how to play dead?

Ive got a few ex girlfriends he could borrow LOL

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 1:50:22 PM   
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Uh... no friends who know how to play dead?

Ive got a few ex girlfriends he could borrow LOL

Foreplay, Hill. Foreplay, dammit!

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 1:51:13 PM   
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As for your claim that "Serino told the media that there's no evidence to refute George's story."

Once again, SHOW SOME EVIDENCE.



This stuff has been common knowledge for ages.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-07/news/os-george-zimmerman-sanford-police-lied-20120707_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-chief-bill-lee-arrest-warrant

"Said Serino, "The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman. … We did not have enough for an arrest warrant."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency

""The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says." - Detective Serino

And the FBI Report

"Serino is concerned that many of the leaks in this case are
coming from within the Sanford Police Department. He listed Sgt AUTHOR
BARNS, REBECCA VILLENOVE (phonetic), and TREKELL PERKINS as all
pressuring him to file charges against ZIMMERMAN after the incident.
Serino did not believe he had enough evidence at the time to file
charges. "

Also notice from the second article, it addresses the claim that the DA over-ruled an arrest on the 26th...the claim came from the lawyer for Trayvon's parents, Benjamin Crump, who says he "he believes Wolfinger and police Chief Bill Lee Jr. met Feb. 26 and overruled a homicide investigator's recommendation that George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter."

No proof it happened, just a claim from the Martin family lawyer, which Wolfinger denied.

The whole "retired judge made a phone call to cause the DA to intervene" thing has no basis in fact, and never has. I'm amazed that myth has persisted this long when the evidence to the contrary has been so available.

But then again, months after the fact and people are STILL claiming that George was told to stay in the car, and that never happened either.



See, that wasn't so difficult was it?

So, we have conflicting tales by the PD. That isnt unusual. I'm mostly concerned about things that do or don't pass the "smell test"

If I shoot someone, chances are that unless the person is armed or a huge fucking beast or there were witnesses, my happy ass is gonna be arrested. I used to carry when I worked in Liberty City and Overtown and I expected it.

What are the odds that joe sixpack who has NO connections will shoot an unarmed person with no upclose eyewitnesses walks? I'm saying slim and none.

In an ideal world, everyone tells the truth and cops don't suspect anyone of lying and if he had cause, he walks.

We don't live in an ideal world unfortunately. When a cop questions you, he assumes you are lying until proven otherwise. If you have no connections, you go into a cell and the court can figure it out.

If you have connections, phone calls are made and you frequently walk.

This thing was unfortunately handled poorly from the beginning. As a result, it is being tried in the court of public opinion instead of a courtroom where it belongs.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 4:44:47 PM   
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More and more the DNA evidence in NOT backing Zimmerman story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-dna-problem/2012/09/30/40605a58-0a46-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-bloody-mess/2012/09/28/e204d598-09a4-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_blog.html

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 7:09:15 PM   
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I admire Johnathon Capehart but this is ridiculous:

When Zimmerman takes the stand in his second-degree murder trial next year, he will tell his story of a life-and-death struggle once more. How he was cold-cocked by Trayvon. How his head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk. How he stopped Trayvon from using his gun on him. This time Zimmerman will tell his version of events under oath before a jury. And upon cross-examination, he will have to explain why and how there’s precious little DNA evidence to back it all up.

Capehart should know the defendent is not freakin required to take the stand. Sheesh.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 8:09:09 PM   
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If he fell forwards, the hands would not have been underneath him had Zimmerman wiggled out.


His hands weren't underneath him after the shooting according to W6. The one individual who reported his hands being underneath him came later, and couldn't even accurately describe what Martin was wearing.

W6, however, said after the shooting Martin's hands were to his sides, and drew a picture depicting such.


And W6 changed his story....


W6 has never changed his testimony that Martin was on top.



I never said he wasnt on top. I dont think anyone has. I said finding the body face down.. which there are pictures of... makes his story just that much more unbelievable.

You have ststed this several times, But you have never said what him being face down proves, he was shot from the front at very close range, that is far more important.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 9:12:46 PM   
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You have ststed this several times, But you have never said what him being face down proves, he was shot from the front at very close range, that is far more important.


If something doesnt add up, then it didnt happen the way it is claimed.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/1/2012 11:37:35 PM   
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Uh... no friends who know how to play dead?

Ive got a few ex girlfriends he could borrow LOL

Foreplay, Hill. Foreplay, dammit!

"Brace yaself bitch" isnt foreplay?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/2/2012 4:38:23 AM   
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Uh... no friends who know how to play dead?

Ive got a few ex girlfriends he could borrow LOL

Foreplay, Hill. Foreplay, dammit!

"Brace yaself bitch" isnt foreplay?

Wait! You say this on a BDSM site?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/2/2012 5:22:54 AM   
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More and more the DNA evidence in NOT backing Zimmerman story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-dna-problem/2012/09/30/40605a58-0a46-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-bloody-mess/2012/09/28/e204d598-09a4-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_blog.html


Capeheart has no clue what he's talking about there. Multiple forensics experts have come to different conclusions.

" Florida International University biologist Martin Tracey, a DNA expert who often testifies for the prosecution in criminal cases, said that for Trayvon’s DNA to wind up on the weapon, he would have to have handled it “for a reasonable amount of time.” The absence of his DNA doesn’t mean much for the case, Tracey said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/19/3010311/blood-work-tests-released-in-zimmerman.html#storylink=cpy

The reporter who wrote that went to three forensics experts who all agreed that the DNA tests don't help or hurt either side.

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