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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:24:52 AM

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Not if I am beating the shit outta the five year old and he thinks he is gonna die. This wasn't an episode of a chuck norris tv show. fuck

Not following your logic. It does not take a feat of strength to pull something out of your own waistband, even with a broken nose and blood on 45% of your head.

That's just ludicrous to think it would take someone of Chuck Norris's stature to pull off such a trivial thing.

If you can't follow the logic I don't think you've been in many fights in your life. If I am beating your head, your hands are in a defensive position. And, cause of what I am doing you aren't moving them downward cause if you did....then it would be curtains.

So either its bullshit or he wasn't on top of him or he wasn't being hit much which means his life wasn't being threatened.

Unless we're talking about a case in which the guy beating on you started to reach for your gun, in which case you'd probably want to do the same, and would have the opportunity since he was reaching for the gun and not beating your head.

Man, if he reached for it. Even had time to do it. Then his life wasn't threatened. If I am intent on beating your ass you ain't gonna have time to reach for shit. As I said, this ain't a movie

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:25:38 AM

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Your fighting anything other than a cold, creates more than reasonable doubt. And no eyewitness saw the actual total fight, the gunshot, the rotation of the hips, the arm behind the back just freely flailing about, or nothing. I have called bullshit on your fantasies since day one and I am calling it now.

I call bullshit on my own fantasies too. None, however, exist here.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:34:09 AM

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So while he is mounted he rotates his hips draws, shoots. Grant I highly doubt Trevon has a professional fighters mount this seems like alot to do. First clear headed enough to think it. Second the adrenaline dump low enough to have the motor control to pull it off. Thrid contact shooting with an automatic is problematic. Sorry I smell bullshit.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:40:02 AM

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Your fighting anything other than a cold, creates more than reasonable doubt. And no eyewitness saw the actual total fight, the gunshot, the rotation of the hips, the arm behind the back just freely flailing about, or nothing. I have called bullshit on your fantasies since day one and I am calling it now.

I call bullshit on my own fantasies too. None, however, exist here.

You're still in your fantasy, then.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:41:10 AM

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So while he is mounted he rotates his hips draws, shoots. Grant I highly doubt Trevon has a professional fighters mount this seems like alot to do. First clear headed enough to think it. Second the adrenaline dump low enough to have the motor control to pull it off. Thrid contact shooting with an automatic is problematic. Sorry I smell bullshit.

First: It sounds like he was on the ground for at least 40 seconds before it occurred to him to pull and fire. Second: It wouldn't take that much motor control required. It really is a trivial exercise; and one that wouldn't require any thought even to do. Third: The FDLE concluded that the gun was in contact with Trayvon's clothes when the shot was fired.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:45:34 AM

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Third: The FDLE concluded that the gun was in contact with Trayvon's clothes when the shot was fired.

Doesnt mean they had to be on the ground

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:45:58 AM

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40 seconds, was he taking a nap? A cracked septum and a scratch on the back of his head....... Was Travon taking a Tea and candy break? 40 seconds, and the face is broken up pretty badly, the head caved in, unconscious, at death's door. Cuz you maintain he aint fighting back, but rotating and putting his hand behind his back.

Ludicrous.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 10:47:54 AM

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So, Zimmerman pulled and fired the weapon which he claims Trayvon Martin reached for while Trayvon Martin was also holding his hands over Zimmerman's mouth and nose, and Trayvon Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk. I would say there's reasonable doubt to Zimmerman's claims since if Trayvon Martin is sitting upon Zimmerman, and feels the weapon under him, how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.

Which, of course, you'd have to believe that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman without provocation, which of course is laughable.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:06:36 AM

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At the moment of his rotation, if Martin had his hands over his face, Martin (whether untutored in fighting or not) is certainly going to push the head in the opposite direction of the rotation, to counteract it. It is invariable in its reaction (martial arts study these things). So from that hand-body position of all concerned, Zimster would have had to rotate first in the opposite direction of his intended rotation to get the use of Martins force to assist him in successfully doing that unimpeded and successfully.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:11:12 AM

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At the moment of his rotation, if Martin had his hands over his face, Martin (whether untutored in fighting or not) is certainly going to push the head in the opposite direction of the rotation, to counteract it.

George's head wouldn't need to move at all. We're talking about a slight movement of one hip, in the worst scenario.

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So from that hand-body position of all concerned, Zimster would have had to rotate first in the opposite direction of his intended rotation to get the use of Martins force to assist him in successfully doing that unimpeded and successfully.

Not at all.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:13:09 AM

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how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.

He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:15:08 AM

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how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.

He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc.

He had a broken nose, then his mouth and nose covered? Man, that had to be some intense pain.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:17:03 AM

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I was an armed courier. I thought I was being shot at. I was able to pull my pistol but I did not take the hammer lock. Off. Taking the hammer lock off is very simple. My point was adrenaline does crazy things to you. My other point was this all of those things could have happened, the more realistic answer would be that it is a carefully fabricated story.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:17:06 AM

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how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.

He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc.

He had a broken nose, then his mouth and nose covered? Man, that had to be some intense pain.

Which explains why there are witnesses that say the screaming sounded like someone in pain.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:18:15 AM

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I was an armed courier. I thought I was being shot at. I was able to pull my pistol but I did not take the hammer lock. Off. Taking the hammer lock off is very simple. My point was adrenaline does crazy things to you. My other point was this all of those things could have happened, the more realistic answer would be that it is a carefully fabricated story.

Keep in mind, George's pistol had no external safety at all. He had to do nothing more than pull and shoot.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:19:26 AM

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how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.

He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc.

He had a broken nose, then his mouth and nose covered? Man, that had to be some intense pain.

All you ladies and gents who are casting doubt on the logistics . . . what is your alternative theory? Martin stood up and George jumped up and killed him? What are you sayin?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:23:31 AM

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I have my own theory.... but.. hey... all I am saying is that things are not adding up.

Such as having a broken nose, then being able to do everything thats been ASSUMED was done.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:25:49 AM

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Then I suggest you get a water pistol. Someone to beat you for lets be generous 20 seconds. And see if you can pull the move off.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:29:17 AM

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I was an armed courier. I thought I was being shot at. I was able to pull my pistol but I did not take the hammer lock. Off. Taking the hammer lock off is very simple. My point was adrenaline does crazy things to you. My other point was this all of those things could have happened, the more realistic answer would be that it is a carefully fabricated story.

Keep in mind, George's pistol had no external safety at all. He had to do nothing more than pull and shoot.

Which also mean Zimmerman had a round chamber, he was ready to shoot, he had Martin in his sights when he left his truck.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:29:42 AM

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At the moment of his rotation, if Martin had his hands over his face, Martin (whether untutored in fighting or not) is certainly going to push the head in the opposite direction of the rotation, to counteract it.

George's head wouldn't need to move at all. We're talking about a slight movement of one hip, in the worst scenario.

Cute but I don't know what the fuck you are on about, nobody said that Zimsters head had to do a fucking thing upon rotation, but it couldn't be forceful without a spine alignment. And the movement has to be more than slight of the body to get a hand behind your back, since the arm could not concievably be in the proper rotation immediately without a frame of reference from that position.

Do you have evidence of earth streaks on the gun you can show me? I assume they would be opposite the breach. If not, since it was raining it would have had to drag the grount from the holster without at least a good 4-6 inch rotation of the body in alignment, or much larger if he didnt rotate his entire spine. That I would accept as a reasonable explication (earth streaks of some nature on the left side of the gun) to make a scenario like that work under those condition.

If he doesnt move the head he has to bump up his butt though. and thats noticed.

You are not doing well here in taijutsu and taihenjutsu, you are below white belt.

There are certain mechanical body requirements and realities.

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