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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:31:22 AM   
Nosathro


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how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.


He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc.


He had a broken nose, then his mouth and nose covered? Man, that had to be some intense pain.


Which explains why there are witnesses that say the screaming sounded like someone in pain.


Which ones...no evidence again just BS.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:31:29 AM   
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Then I suggest you get a water pistol. Someone to beat you for lets be generous 20 seconds. And see if you can pull the move off.


I've managed worse in worse situations, so I'm probably not the best one to judge such a test on.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:34:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have quickly gone from an update back to the bizarre re-enactment of the killing using silly half truths and unsubstantiated evidence. As if any here has the expertise and access to ALL the evidence to make an educated judgment.

Why not just wait until next year when he goes on trial?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:37:39 AM   
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We have quickly gone from an update back to the bizarre re-enactment of the killing using silly half truths and unsubstantiated evidence. As if any here has the expertise and access to ALL the evidence to make an educated judgment.

Why not just wait until next year when he goes on trial?

Butch

Won't we have fun then!!!!

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:40:37 AM   
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how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.


He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc.


He had a broken nose, then his mouth and nose covered? Man, that had to be some intense pain.


Which explains why there are witnesses that say the screaming sounded like someone in pain.


Which ones...no evidence again just BS.



W6 when interviewed by CNN:

"I heard the yell for help then I heard another as I would describe as an excruciating type of yell. It didn’t even sound like a help it just sounded so painful,”

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:42:47 AM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:44:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I heard the yell for help then I heard another as I would describe as an excruciating type of yell. It didn’t even sound like a help it just sounded so painful,”

I will assume that the painful sound to be Martin dying and the help to be Zimmerman freaking......no reason or evidence to assume otherwise.


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:45:38 AM   
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Then I suggest you get a water pistol. Someone to beat you for lets be generous 20 seconds. And see if you can pull the move off.


There is a growing amount of evidence that Martin did not beat Zimmerman

Exhibit ME-2,” fingernail scrapings from Trayvon, only showed the presence of blood from his right hand. “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin ...were found....” Translation: Zimmerman’s blood isn’t present

“Exhibit ME-12,” Trayvon’s hoodie, had no traces of Zimmerman’s blood on it. There were three stains, two of which “gave chemical indications for the presence of blood.” Only one had a partial DNA profile that matched Trayvon. The right cuff, left cuff and lower sleeves of both arms of the hoodie found “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin....”

“Exhibit ME-8,” the shirt Trayvon wore underneath his hoodie, only one matched Zimmerman. Two matched Trayvon. The major and minor contributors for the fourth stain “could not be determined.” The right cuff and lower sleeve of the shirt had no DNA “foreign to” Trayvon. The left cuff and lower sleeve had “the presence of at least two individuals.” It is “assum[ed]” that Trayvon is the major contributor. But because of “the limited nature of the results . . . no determination can be made regarding the possible contribution" of Zimmerman to that DNA mix.

Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala

"The black male had his hands underneath his body"

George Zimmerman

" I don’t know if I pushed him off me [or] he fell off me, either way I got on top of him and I pushed his arms apart,” Zimmerman said as he demonstrated how he spread Trayvon’s arms away from his body. He told the officer that he didn’t remember how he got on top of his victim and continued with his version of events. “But I got on his back and moved his arms apart because when he was repeatedly hitting me in the face and the head,” Zimmerman said, “I thought he had something in his hands. So, I moved his hands apart.” Trayvon, he said, was face down. Again, he says the neighbor with the flashlight came out, he asked that person to help him restrain Trayvon. The police arrived perhaps less than a minute later and he stood up, holstered his weapon and put his hands up."

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:48:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		How does that work? He pushed his arms apart but left his hands underneath him?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:48:32 AM   
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Exhibit ME-2,” fingernail scrapings from Trayvon, only showed the presence of blood from his right hand. “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin ...were found....” Translation: Zimmerman’s blood isn’t present


Frances Robles interviewed a few forensics experts; all that test shows is that Trayvon didn't scratch Zimmerman (the victim of an assault often scratches the person assaulting him; so the lack of DNA under his fingernails is actually a point in George's favor).



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“Exhibit ME-12,” Trayvon’s hoodie, had no traces of Zimmerman’s blood on it. There were three stains, two of which “gave chemical indications for the presence of blood.” Only one had a partial DNA profile that matched Trayvon. The right cuff, left cuff and lower sleeves of both arms of the hoodie found “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin....”

“Exhibit ME-8,” the shirt Trayvon wore underneath his hoodie, only one matched Zimmerman. Two matched Trayvon. The major and minor contributors for the fourth stain “could not be determined.” The right cuff and lower sleeve of the shirt had no DNA “foreign to” Trayvon. The left cuff and lower sleeve had “the presence of at least two individuals.” It is “assum[ed]” that Trayvon is the major contributor. But because of “the limited nature of the results . . . no determination can be made regarding the possible contribution" of Zimmerman to that DNA mix.


The same forensics experts have said that doesn't prove anything either way.


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Sanford Police Officer Ricardo Ayala

"The black male had his hands underneath his body"


Ayala couldn't even describe what Trayvon was wearing accurately. Meanwhile, another witness says Trayvon's arms were spread out after the shooting while George was standing up.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:55:22 AM   
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How does that work? He pushed his arms apart but left his hands underneath him?



W6: Correct. And that's when I actually said on the call I believe he's dead.
John Bachelor: Can you describe if he, this person was face up or face down?
W6: From how I was looking at it, it looked like he was face down.
John Bachelor: And how was this person's hands positioned?
W6: It almost looked like a crime scene, uh, a crime scene photo that you would see painted on a floor with the legs kind of, uh, I don't kno whow to explain it, it wasn't in you know, arms next to each other, legs next to each other. It was kind of in a sprawl position...

...it is in a position, you know, with one hand up, you know one hand down type of position that I saw him...

John Bachelor. Again, referring to the hands real quick for the sake of the audio recording, you were indicating a hand position kind of as if you were swimming with a hand forward.
W6: Correct
John Bachelor: And a hand back.
W6: Correct. That's -
John Bachelor: As a face down position.
W6: Correct.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 11:59:03 AM   
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There are certain mechanical body requirements and realities.


And they are 100% consistent with George's claim, with the currently known evidence.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:09:01 PM   
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How does that work? He pushed his arms apart but left his hands underneath him?



W6: Correct. And that's when I actually said on the call I believe he's dead.
John Bachelor: Can you describe if he, this person was face up or face down?
W6: From how I was looking at it, it looked like he was face down.
John Bachelor: And how was this person's hands positioned?
W6: It almost looked like a crime scene, uh, a crime scene photo that you would see painted on a floor with the legs kind of, uh, I don't kno whow to explain it, it wasn't in you know, arms next to each other, legs next to each other. It was kind of in a sprawl position...

...it is in a position, you know, with one hand up, you know one hand down type of position that I saw him...

John Bachelor. Again, referring to the hands real quick for the sake of the audio recording, you were indicating a hand position kind of as if you were swimming with a hand forward.
W6: Correct
John Bachelor: And a hand back.
W6: Correct. That's -
John Bachelor: As a face down position.
W6: Correct.


You do know there is a photo of Trayvon that night... on the ground.. yes?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:10:49 PM   
Raiikun


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How does that work? He pushed his arms apart but left his hands underneath him?



W6: Correct. And that's when I actually said on the call I believe he's dead.
John Bachelor: Can you describe if he, this person was face up or face down?
W6: From how I was looking at it, it looked like he was face down.
John Bachelor: And how was this person's hands positioned?
W6: It almost looked like a crime scene, uh, a crime scene photo that you would see painted on a floor with the legs kind of, uh, I don't kno whow to explain it, it wasn't in you know, arms next to each other, legs next to each other. It was kind of in a sprawl position...

...it is in a position, you know, with one hand up, you know one hand down type of position that I saw him...

John Bachelor. Again, referring to the hands real quick for the sake of the audio recording, you were indicating a hand position kind of as if you were swimming with a hand forward.
W6: Correct
John Bachelor: And a hand back.
W6: Correct. That's -
John Bachelor: As a face down position.
W6: Correct.


You do know there is a photo of Trayvon that night... on the ground.. yes?


There's several, yes. I'm looking at one with his arm clearly out to the side.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:17:53 PM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:18:52 PM   
Raiikun


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Oh do hook me up with that photo please. I am sure you have a link to it since you are now looking at it.


I will have to upload it somewhere.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:19:24 PM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		You did...bad girl...and anyway it is not the focus of your thread but how it as disintegrated to nonsense…Where are the Mods when you need them!!

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:23:21 PM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		It's in a PDF file I downloaded with Zimmerman's school records in August shortly before the State of Florida requested the media not publish the photo or records.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:23:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meh... we are still talking about the case. I havent seen it disintegrate as badly as others have. Seriously, if this topic upsets you, or you find it boring, why read it.

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