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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:25:23 PM   
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It's in a PDF file I downloaded with Zimmerman's school records in August shortly before the State of Florida requested the media not publish the photo or records.


Ah that nice, grainy photo that hides more than it reveals? Thats your proof? Thats the clear photo of his arms out to the side?

The grainy photo here?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/george-zimmerman-records-mistakenly-released-684512

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:27:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		There, apparently it can be uploaded straight to here. And yes, all of the photos released by the State in that doc dump were of very poor quality; you can only make out part of the body (and I've tried an umpteen number of ways to try and pull out more details), so all you can really see is the hoodie and one arm (the rest is out of the light).

But this is the photo of Trayvon released by the State taken with (IIRC) W-13's cellphone.




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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:29:15 PM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:29:26 PM   
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You always seem to have a problem with other peoples opinions…especially when they do not align with yours.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:29:55 PM   
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It's in a PDF file I downloaded with Zimmerman's school records in August shortly before the State of Florida requested the media not publish the photo or records.


Ah that nice, grainy photo that hides more than it reveals? Thats your proof? Thats the clear photo of his arms out to the side?

The grainy photo here?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/george-zimmerman-records-mistakenly-released-684512


You're the one that brought the photo up. And yes, one of the arms is very clearly out to the side; the other is outside the light range and not visible.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:30:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, one of the arms is very clearly down by his side, allowing for the hands to be underneath him.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:33:21 PM   
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how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously.


He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc.


He had a broken nose, then his mouth and nose covered? Man, that had to be some intense pain.


Which explains why there are witnesses that say the screaming sounded like someone in pain.


Which ones...no evidence again just BS.



W6 when interviewed by CNN:

"I heard the yell for help then I heard another as I would describe as an excruciating type of yell. It didn’t even sound like a help it just sounded so painful,”



Does he say it was Zimmerman yelling...Nope. In Fact on March 20 he told the Orlando Sentinel that in an interview with the Flordia Department of Justice he didn't even know who was yelling. Also remember the FBI lab couldn't say who it was yelling either. However independent analysts say it was Martin yelling for help..but you don't believe that. Also if Zimmerman had his mouth covered how could he be yelling anyway? So you ain't got not'ing!

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:34:34 PM   
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And the red should just say "Hood" (as a point of reference), not "hoodie"

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:36:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does this photo show anything?..like Martin face or all...of course Raiikun photoshop..as he said amateurish.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:39:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		dude.. that arm in yellow would have to be coming from his hip

Reaching a bit there, arent you?

What you outlined is the patch of light beyond the body... the darker spot is his arm. Both arms bent, hands under the body

And which way do you think the body is facing? down or up in the photo?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:39:24 PM   
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Does he say it was Zimmerman yelling...Nope.


My reference was that he said the screams were those of pain. Only one of those two were taking injuries concurrently with the screaming; Trayvon had no injuries except the gunshot and a small abrasion on one hand.
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However independent analysts say it was Martin yelling for help..but you don't believe that.


One analyst came back and wrote later that the exemplars were of too poor of quality to make a comparison, and then offered to help the Defense make new ones.

The other analyst just listened by ear and said he thinks it was a young guy screaming. (I wonder if he was aware that Zimmerman has a higher pitched voice than Martin.)

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Also if Zimmerman had his mouth covered how could he be yelling anyway?


He didn't say he had it covered the entire time. There are moments of silence in the screaming, and the encounter started before the recording did.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:41:39 PM   
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dude.. that arm in yellow would have to be coming from his hip


Nope, it clearly connects to the shoulder.

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What you outlined is the patch of light beyond the body... the darker spot is his arm. Both arms bent, hands under the body


I don't think so. The darker spot looks like the space between his arm and body. The arm shaped thing connected to the shoulder looks more like the arm.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:42:33 PM   
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Does he say it was Zimmerman yelling...Nope.


My reference was that he said the screams were those of pain. Only one of those two were taking injuries concurrently with the screaming; Trayvon had no injuries except the gunshot and a small abrasion on one hand.
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However independent analysts say it was Martin yelling for help..but you don't believe that.


One analyst came back and wrote later that the exemplars were of too poor of quality to make a comparison, and then offered to help the Defense make new ones.

The other analyst just listened by ear and said he thinks it was a young guy screaming. (I wonder if he was aware that Zimmerman has a higher pitched voice than Martin.)

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Also if Zimmerman had his mouth covered how could he be yelling anyway?


He didn't say he had it covered the entire time. There are moments of silence in the screaming, and the encounter started before the recording did.



Ah Zimmerman getting his head bashed (so he says) he got his mouth covered (so he says)...all in 40 seconds...must have been fun.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:43:07 PM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:43:21 PM   
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Does he say it was Zimmerman yelling...Nope.


My reference was that he said the screams were those of pain. Only one of those two were taking injuries concurrently with the screaming; Trayvon had no injuries except the gunshot and a small abrasion on one hand.
quote:

However independent analysts say it was Martin yelling for help..but you don't believe that.


One analyst came back and wrote later that the exemplars were of too poor of quality to make a comparison, and then offered to help the Defense make new ones.

The other analyst just listened by ear and said he thinks it was a young guy screaming. (I wonder if he was aware that Zimmerman has a higher pitched voice than Martin.)

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Also if Zimmerman had his mouth covered how could he be yelling anyway?


He didn't say he had it covered the entire time. There are moments of silence in the screaming, and the encounter started before the recording did.



Ah Zimmerman getting his head bashed (so he says) he got his mouth covered (so he says)...all in 40 seconds...must have been fun.


It was longer than 40 seconds. We just don't know exactly by how much.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:48:06 PM   
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His head is at the bottom of that photo.


That's what I thought at first too until I started enhancing and the arm seemed to come more visible.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:48:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope.... a black kid with black hair... compared to khaki pants? Thats his head.. not his ass at the bottom of that picture

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:49:55 PM   
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His head is at the bottom of that photo.


That's what I thought at first too until I started enhancing and the arm seemed to come more visible.


Proof positive Raiikun by his own admission is tampering with the evidence.....

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:51:33 PM   
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Nope.... a black kid with black hair... compared to khaki pants? Thats his head.. not his ass at the bottom of that picture


Compared to the same sweatshirt with light selectively highlighting it?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/4/2012 12:52:51 PM   
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His head is at the bottom of that photo.


That's what I thought at first too until I started enhancing and the arm seemed to come more visible.


Proof positive Raiikun by his own admission is tampering with the evidence.....


Nope, that's not how it works. The actual photo is quite safe.

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