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ORIGINAL: Raiikun
No, it isn't. Months later and noone has still shown a single thing to disprove the claim that Trayvon was on top of George with George taking injury until he believed he needed to use deadly force as a last resort to prevent taking severe bodily injury.
Not one thing. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
Someone said several posts ago that Zimmerman was being "bashed", "pummeled", and "smothered" for over 40 seconds...possibly for as much as a minute or more. So, let's think about this for a minute:
While Martin was supposidly "bashing" Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, Zimmerman didn't reach for his weapon.
While Martin was supposidly "pummeling" Zimmerman with his fists, Zimmerman didn't reach for his weapon.
While Martin was supposidly "smothering" Zimmerman, Zimmerman didn't reach for his weapon.
Why not? The claim you keep bringing up is that these things caused Zimmerman to fear for his life, yet he didn't reach for his weapon while they were occuring!
BUT, when Martin was somehow supposed to be able to "see" Zimmerman's weapon, under Martin's knee, on a very dark night, while busy "bashing, pummeling, and smothering" Zimmerman, and Martin then supposidly reached for this unsee-able weapon, THAT is when Zimmerman decides he is in danger, and so pulls the weapon and shoots Martin. That tells me that the so-called bashing, pummeling, and smothering was NOT bad enough for Zimmerman to consider them to be life threatening and so felt no need to draw his weapon at that time. But now we are supposed to believe that Martin's act of reaching for the weapon (If it actually happened, which I doubt.) WAS enough of a threat to need to pull the weapon and kill him. And if the act of reaching for the weapon made Martin a threat, he would no longer have been a threat once Zimmerman had the weapon in his control. And if he was no longer a threat, there was no need for deadly force.
Also, I didn't read all the posts for the last few days, but I think someone must have said something about Martin "feeling" the weapon with his knee. He may have felt "something", but how did he know it was a weapon as opposed to a cell phone holster, flashlight holster, retractable key ring, tape measure or any of probably several dozen other possibilities that could be attached to a person's belt or waistband? (Remember, Zimmerman claims that Martin said something to the effect of, "You're going to die tonight!" as he was supposidly reaching for the weapon. He had not seen it yet or touched it with his hands to actually know what it was. But, according to Zimmerman, Martin "knew" what it was BEFORE he reached for it.)
Once more, Zimmerman's story seems to be just that. A story. It doesn't add up.
One more thing of a curious nature...not really sure whether or how it might affect things over-all, but
someone mentioned that the type of holster Zimmerman was using is normally carried inside the waistband on the BACK side of the hip. I don't think that is how or where Zimmerman would have been wearing it, the reason being that Zimmerman is left handed, but he was wearing the gun on his right hip. To be able to reach the weapon easily with his left hand under "normal" conditions Zimmerman most likely was wearing the gun butt foreward for a cross-handed draw, so it was most likely worn more on the side, rather than the back of the hip. To draw the weapon with his "non-dominant" hand (right hand) either he would have drawn the gun up-side down, or he had to contort his arm, while reaching under Martin's knee, in order to draw the gun right-side-up. Also, the farther foreward the gun would be worn, the more difficult to reach for and draw it right-side-up with his right hand. This would make drawing the gun while in the heat of battle just that much more difficult, further bringing Zimmerman's "facts" about what occured into question.
Again, somehow things just aren't adding up the way Zimmerman tells it.
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