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I don't agree that Martin attacked Zimmerman, either.

Then how do you explain the trauma's to Zimmerman's head? Were those or were those not done by Martin?

Self defense. When someone tries to hold you at gunpoint against your will, your best option is to immediately try to escape, or absent that to engage them directly as soon as possible. Letting them take their time to enjoy your fear before they murder you never helps.

Whoa!!! Where did that come from? Zimmerman tried to hold Martin at gunpoint? Guess I missed that comic book

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I don't agree that Martin attacked Zimmerman, either.

Then how do you explain the trauma's to Zimmerman's head? Were those or were those not done by Martin?

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Last time I checked Target took both credit and debit cards, so I don't understand the whole ATM trip. Did Zimmerman ever offer any story explaining why him and his buddy needed a bunch of cash that night? You add that into the whole history of drug use, and it makes you wonder if Zimmerman not getting a blood test that night wasn't a simple oversight.

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I don't agree that Martin attacked Zimmerman, either.

Then how do you explain the trauma's to Zimmerman's head? Were those or were those not done by Martin?

There are no witness to the fight. Second, as repeatedly stated the wounds were minor scratches to the scalp. In fact the Doctor who saw Zimmerman the next day stated they were already healing. Both the EMT person and the Doctor noted Zimmerman was Orinated x 4 meaning normal. No skull fracture, if Martin bashed his Zimmerman claims the injuries would be greater. It is also noted that Zimmerman stated he stood up after he shoot Martin, on his own, if he was as bad off as he said he was he would need assistance and lot of it.

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The very act of Trayvon hiding shows he was not (at first) confrontational.

Same with calling the authorities in regards to someone he thought was suspicious. George wasn't being confrontational. There's no proof George was being confrontational, or had any intent to meet, catch up to, confront, attack, detain, or anything Martin. It's just not there.

In some reports of Zimmerman calling police about people, he admits to being scared of them, they were adults. However when it was a kid Zimmerman did want to go out and confront him, this came from Shellie his wife, very brave of Zimmerman.

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All the reasoning in the world doesn't add up to Trayvon being an attacker.

One doesn't always need a reason to be an attacker. I posted a video earlier of a young kid leaving a bus and just sucker punching the elderly driver for no reason. Incidents like that are happening more frequently these days.

Oh so that why you put the video up, you compairing that with Martin, you must know Martin pretty good then. The video is limited, no telling what happen before that so your logic as ususally is serious flawed. As far as reason goes how about this:

Zimmerman "These punks are always getting away with it"

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Many things could have happened differently that night....starting with Zimmerman not listening to the "advice" of the 911 dispatcher who told him 911 did not need him to follow.

Evidence is very strong that George did, in fact, not follow Trayvon after being advised not to. The location of start of the fight is right in the same area where he was advised to not follow, within 10-15 seconds of where the the advice was given. There was no chase.

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Trayvon maybe didn't make the right adult decision to keep himself safe. But Trayvon wasn't an adult. Zimmerman didn't make the right adult decisions either to keep him, and citizens on his 'so called" patrol safe, either. Zimmerman is an adult. That night he was an armed adult making very poor and assuming decisions.

And as an Adult Zimmerman must take responisbility for his action, but he is not.

All the evidence points to George doing nothing more than trying to assist Police with someone he thought was suspicious, and getting attacked for it until he shot in self defense.

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Then how do you explain the trauma's to Zimmerman's head? Were those or were those not done by Martin?

Self defense.

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Just because Trayvon wasn't packing a gun to defend himself, doesn't mean there are other ways to defend yourself. But some people don't know how to defend themself so let a gun defend them. That is not Trayvon's fault. His fault...his fate....was crossing paths with a paranoid GZ who assumed Trayvon was going to start trouble, when that thought was only in George's mind.

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Then how do you explain the trauma's to Zimmerman's head? Were those or were those not done by Martin?

Self defense. When someone tries to hold you at gunpoint against your will, your best option is to immediately try to escape, or absent that to engage them directly as soon as possible. Letting them take their time to enjoy your fear before they murder you never helps.

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You want to let the white boy go free......Its fine. Just be fucking honest about it.

"What is a White Hispanic anyways? There's nothing white about me."

- George Zimmerman, spoken in Spanish to his brother while in jail.

Language ability differentiates race? Keep digging

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Why do people want to keep putting that lie out there. No trauma to his head.

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Man, if I beat your head against the ground your ass would be in the hospital.

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You want to let the white boy go free......Its fine. Just be fucking honest about it.

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I don't agree that Martin attacked Zimmerman, either.

Then how do you explain the trauma's to Zimmerman's head? Were those or were those not done by Martin?

Self defense. When someone tries to hold you at gunpoint against your will, your best option is to immediately try to escape, or absent that to engage them directly as soon as possible. Letting them take their time to enjoy your fear before they murder you never helps.

Whoa!!! Where did that come from? Zimmerman tried to hold Martin at gunpoint? Guess I missed that comic book

In my view this could have happen. First off Zimmerman I believe he had the his gun out before he left his truck. Secondly, in the video Zimmerman claims that when he made contact with Martin he attempted to get his cell phone out, but it was in wrong pocket, could he actually be drawing the gun?

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Given that the age of adult responsibilities in my religion is THIRTEEN

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from Zimmerman's point of view, since he killed a minor

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If I recall correctly: Zimmerman's nose was broken, his face and/or head was swollen, and he had two vertical lacerations to his head. That is a lot of trauma.

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If we could say he has no intent to meet, catch up with...or any of your other excuses, he would have waited for police to arrive.

This is an assumption. The fact is, his getting out of the vehicle was in direct response to dispatch asking where the kid was running. It wasn't the smartest thing to get out of the vehicle, but I don't see any way he could have possibly guessed at that point that a kid running away would end up turning around to confront him.A verbal answer would have answered the question. Again, he didn't have to go against advice.

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Yet, that video was not a video of the typical actions of Trayvon, so has no bearing on what Trayvon did

Which obviously isn't the point. If it has no use to this conversation, why bring it up at all, unless you are still going on assumptionThe video only serves to show that it's not unheard of for youngsters to attack someone without provocation. Ask the 22 year old who was attacked by a 13 year old (who started off by bragging to his friend that he was going to do it.) And again you assume because one child behaved this way, Travyon would have. We can't ask Trayvon any either because...well, he is dead, too. So there is only the word of the defendant here, and he can say whatever he "thought" was going to go down, but it's just his word, and his word has been proven to be unreliable in court, which is why the judge revoked his bond and set it higher. Any remarks made by the judge after the fact were as a direct result of GZ's behavior and his claims Except...well you can't ask the 22 year old, he died from the encounter.

It's just fallacious to claim that Trayvon couldn't have attacked George because it was illogical to do so. No, its fallacious to say Trayvon wasn't defending himself from someone acting like a mad stalker. Thinking any other way is illogical and assumptive.

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Many things could have happened differently that night....starting with Zimmerman not listening to the "advice" of the 911 dispatcher who told him 911 did not need him to follow.

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Not only was he told they did not need him to follow Trayvon because police were on their way...we heard George continue to blather on, we heard his car door slam, we heard him breathing harder as he trundled his weighty body around the complex....still looking

You are aware that the car door shutting was before being advised not to follow right? (And you can tell he wasn't hurrying at any point on the NEN call btw. He was wearing boots; and there's no sound of boots hitting the ground (which there would have been if the obese guy was running).

Fact is though. George reaches the T intersection. No sign of Trayvon. A bit later, George gets his nose broken, at the T intersection, where a minute ago Trayvon wasn't there. This is all within direct line of sight from George's truck. The evidence is overwhelmingly on George's side as to not being the aggressor.This assumption is not even worthy of my time. You're assuming it all. No witness has said that. And I might remind you, most of the witnesses have changed their story. BTW, are you saying Trayvon probably ran up to George's truck, pulled him out of it, dragged him to the "T intersection" and try to kill him? LOL

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Again, after being told his help was NOT needed.

Absolutely false. He was never told his help was unneeded or unwanted. He was just advised not to follow, which evidence suggests he didn't.This is absolutely false. A face to face confrontation doesn't happen when one sits obligingly in his truck, waiting for the police to arrive.

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Coulda, woulda, mightve, maybe. You and fargle dwell with the elves.

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Absolutely false. He was never told his help was unneeded or unwanted. He was just advised not to follow, which evidence suggests he didn't.

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Absolutely false. He was never told his help was unneeded or unwanted. He was just advised not to follow, which evidence suggests he didn't.

An absolute lie.

“OK, we don’t need you to do that.”

Note the word.... need.