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tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 11:53:03 AM)
quote: he’d say 45% of his head was covered in blood there was blood on his cheeks and back in head quote: He had blood on his arms and his hands, they used peroxide to clean him up and wash his hands Side effect of shooting someone quote: may need a stitch or two. Really big gaping wound there! Martin's injuries? A gun shot wound and... quote: The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle. Damn, that kid is good to have only that tiny injury after inflicting so much on Zimmerman. Who do you think you are kidding?

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 11:55:07 AM)
quote: “These assholes always get away.” – George Zimmerman An actual audio recording of Zimmerman after describing this kid as a black male.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 11:57:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: “These assholes always get away.” – George Zimmerman An actual audio recording of Zimmerman after describing this kid as a black male. Old news that proves little to nothing.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:03:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Side effect of shooting someone Not in this case. That someone had so little external bleeding that George managed to barely get any on him according to the DNA tests. quote: Really big gaping wound there! Legally not relevant. quote: Damn, that kid is good to have only that tiny injury after inflicting so much on Zimmerman. Not really. Zimmerman only really had one injury that I'd think even likely to cause a mark on the hands striking the blow. The head banging on concrete wouldn't mark up Trayvon's hands, nor would the numerous other small bruises and such. Legally though, that doesn't matter. That George was pinned to the ground, in pain, taking injury, and unable to get away is more than enough legal justification.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:07:29 PM)
No, you are assuming George was pinned to the ground. I can buck 150 lb man off me, cant you?

Kana -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:07:36 PM)
Not taking any sides here (You know, cuz nobody has all the info)but I do want to note that anytime there's this much discussion re a case, a good defense lawyer should have zero difficulty raising reasonable doubt

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:09:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl No, you are assuming George was pinned to the ground. I can buck 150 lb man off me, cant you? A witness saw George trying to get up but unable to.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:10:17 PM)
Its one of the draw backs of trying this in the media. His story is in concrete. Any back tracking at this point will place more than reasonable doubt in the mind of any jury.. and even the Judge.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:12:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana Not taking any sides here (You know, cuz nobody has all the info)but I do want to note that anytime there's this much discussion re a case, a good defense lawyer should have zero difficulty raising reasonable doubt Pretty much. There would have to be some majorly incriminating evidence not made public yet, because what's known isn't remotely enough to stick a conviction.

Kana -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:15:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Kana Not taking any sides here (You know, cuz nobody has all the info)but I do want to note that anytime there's this much discussion re a case, a good defense lawyer should have zero difficulty raising reasonable doubt Pretty much. There would have to be some majorly incriminating evidence not made public yet, because what's known isn't remotely enough to stick a conviction. Any lawyer who can't raise reasonable doubt at this point sucks ass to the point where disbarment should be considered. If I were a DA I'd take this case in a heartbeat. Maybe even pro bono for the free pub. It's a superduper easy slamdunk unless there's some incontrovertible evidence out there that has yet to come to light

vincentML -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:32:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its one of the draw backs of trying this in the media. His story is in concrete. Any back tracking at this point will place more than reasonable doubt in the mind of any jury.. and even the Judge. Dear Tazzy; You got that right, honey. Hugs, Casey

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 12:49:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Kana Not taking any sides here (You know, cuz nobody has all the info)but I do want to note that anytime there's this much discussion re a case, a good defense lawyer should have zero difficulty raising reasonable doubt Pretty much. There would have to be some majorly incriminating evidence not made public yet, because what's known isn't remotely enough to stick a conviction. Any lawyer who can't raise reasonable doubt at this point sucks ass to the point where disbarment should be considered. If I were a DA I'd take this case in a heartbeat. Maybe even pro bono for the free pub. It's a superduper easy slamdunk unless there's some incontrovertible evidence out there that has yet to come to light If you read O/Mara website, he admits Zimmerman has a creditabliy problem. As you have stated if the case against Zimmerman is weak why has O'Mara simply taken it to trial, and get Zimmerman acuitted. Instead he gets a waiver on a speedy trial and states the case may not go to trial until 2014, he is even now starting discovery which means he is only now exaiming the evidence. It appears this case is not going to be so easy as some may think.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 1:08:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: “These assholes always get away.” – George Zimmerman An actual audio recording of Zimmerman after describing this kid as a black male. Old news that proves little to nothing. Its ALL old news. It proves his frustration. And some could also claim it shows his racial motivation, especially in light of the theft he, himself, experienced.

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 1:13:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Why do people want to keep putting that lie out there. No trauma to his head. If I recall correctly: Zimmerman's nose was broken, his face and/or head was swollen, and he had two vertical lacerations to his head. That is a lot of trauma. quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Man, if I beat your head against the ground your ass would be in the hospital. I propose that you do not beat my head against the ground. Unless you are an animal? quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk You want to let the white boy go free......Its fine. Just be fucking honest about it. That is a racist remark. It is good that you show your true colors and bias. Does he have a hospital report that says all that? If so, where the fuck is it. Two if he did have all that his ass isn't going for no gun. Racist or not. Just telling you what will happen. There is a medical report that was performed at a medical clinic the next day. It purpose was to clear Zimmerman to return to work. The report states the nose was "likely" (that is a quote from the report) broken, no devation of the septal meaning the cartlige meaning it was not broken as it should be if Zimmerman had a broken nose as he claims. Zimmerman also have blacken eyes and swelling related to the injury. Zimmerman refuse to seek further treatment nor see an ENT Doctor. There were scalp laceration that were already healing, sutures were not required, no skull fractures, Zimmerman was orientated x4 meaning normal. He could return to work. If Zimmerman fairy tale was true he would have been in hospital. None of this supports his claim that he head was bashed by Martin as he claims, for all we know Zimmerman could inflected these injuries on himself. By the way this report was admitted into evidence by O'Mara I also agree with you if Zimmerman head was as injuried as so claims, he would be so disorientated he more than likely would grab his cell phone, if he did get his gun, he shot himself.

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 1:23:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk You want to let the white boy go free......Its fine. Just be fucking honest about it. "What is a White Hispanic anyways? There's nothing white about me." - George Zimmerman, spoken in Spanish to his brother while in jail. Language ability differentiates race? Keep digging No, his Hispanic and black lineage does though. (Note though: I'm not the one bringing race into it.) Zimmerman mother is Peruvian, however some of the Zimmerman family do claim that in a historical frame there are blacks, the latest claim of that came from O'Mara, Zimmerman great grandfather is black. However, no evidence to support this has ever been produced by the Zimmerman or O'Mara. And remembering Georges face book page he did not think much the Latins.

vincentML -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 1:37:28 PM)
quote: Zimmerman mother is Peruvian, however some of the Zimmerman family do claim that in a historical frame there are blacks, the latest claim of that came from O'Mara, Zimmerman great grandfather is black. However, no evidence to support this has ever been produced by the Zimmerman or O'Mara. And remembering Georges face book page he did not think much the Latins. And Elizabeth Warren can't prove she has Cherokee ancestors. What's the point?[8\|]

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 3:15:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Zimmerman mother is Peruvian, however some of the Zimmerman family do claim that in a historical frame there are blacks, the latest claim of that came from O'Mara, Zimmerman great grandfather is black. However, no evidence to support this has ever been produced by the Zimmerman or O'Mara. And remembering Georges face book page he did not think much the Latins. And Elizabeth Warren can't prove she has Cherokee ancestors. What's the point?[8\|] The point is that Zimmerman claim to being black in an effort to gain sympthy lack any evidence to support it. Something Zimmerman is very good at, making claims with no proof, as I have said Zimmerman creditibilty is in the negative number, somewhere near absolute Zero. "Coulda, woulda, mightve, maybe. You and fargle dwell with the elves" As to your comment, yes it is possible. If you watched the video taken the next day by police Zimmerman states that when he meets Martin he states he attempted to get his cell phone, if you observe Zimmerman he uses the hand the gun is holstered on and does not got to the pants pocket, rather the waist band, then he states, the cell phone was in the other pants pocket. Just prior to all this he states he finishes his call to the Police Dispatcher, he so quickly forgets which pocket his cell phone is in? Oh, another thing why does Zimmerman not have a pouch on his belt to put his cell phone in like so many other. One last thing Zimmerman at the end of the video tells police he has memory problem he has Attention Defictit, Hyperactive Disorder and he taking medication, some very dangerous medication Adderlla for one. It is noted that some symptoms of ADHD are aggression, irresponsible behavior, snap decision making, anger quickly, Adderlla is known to cause irratibilty and aggression. Zimmerman was also taking Tamazpam which can cause psychosis. So there is alot of room to not believe Zimmerman fairy tale and good reason to believe alternatives.

farglebargle -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 3:31:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule And being pinned to the ground unable to escape for that length of time, the danger would be real enough. Please establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was attacked without provocation. Since Trayvon Martin would have to be credited with the commission of a criminal act in order for Zimmerman's claims to be true. And since the only person who claims that Martin attacked Zimmerman unprovoked is Zimmerman -- WHO HAS ZERO CREDIBILITY -- I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the INNOCENT DEAD KID.

Rule -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 3:39:40 PM)
So you do agree that Zimmerman was attacked by Martin?

Rule -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/6/2012 3:58:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle ...Martin attacked Zimmerman unprovoked... I do not care whether the attack by Martin on Zimmerman was provoked or unprovoked. In both cases only an animal would attack. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the INNOCENT DEAD KID. I have no doubt whatsoever that Martin is dead. But please establish that Martin was innocent, like for example that he was already dead when he attacked Martin. Until you do, I will assume that Martin when still alife attacked Zimmerman and that Zimmerman, in fear of grievous harm and of his life, was justified in shooting that animal in self defence.

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