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So you do agree that Zimmerman was attacked by Martin?

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Absolutely false. He was never told his help was unneeded or unwanted. He was just advised not to follow, which evidence suggests he didn't.

An absolute lie.

“OK, we don’t need you to do that.”

Note the word.... need.

An absolute failure in reading comprehension. Not the "to do that."

"That" is in reference to "following". Nothing more.

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Not taking any sides here (You know, cuz nobody has all the info)but I do want to note that anytime there's this much discussion re a case, a good defense lawyer should have zero difficulty raising reasonable doubt

Pretty much. There would have to be some majorly incriminating evidence not made public yet, because what's known isn't remotely enough to stick a conviction.

Any lawyer who can't raise reasonable doubt at this point sucks ass to the point where disbarment should be considered.
If I were a DA I'd take this case in a heartbeat. Maybe even pro bono for the free pub. It's a superduper easy slamdunk unless there's some incontrovertible evidence out there that has yet to come to light

If you read O/Mara website, he admits Zimmerman has a creditabliy problem. As you have stated if the case against Zimmerman is weak why has O'Mara simply taken it to trial, and get Zimmerman acuitted. Instead he gets a waiver on a speedy trial and states the case may not go to trial until 2014, he is even now starting discovery which means he is only now exaiming the evidence. It appears this case is not going to be so easy as some may think.

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he is even now starting discovery which means he is only now exaiming the evidence.

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And some could also claim it shows his racial motivation, especially in light of the theft he, himself, experienced.

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One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

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And some could also claim it shows his racial motivation, especially in light of the theft he, himself, experienced.

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One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

That is known.

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And given that Zimmerman received Neighborhood Watch training, he would have been EXPLICITLY INSTRUCTED never to follow anyone.

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“These assholes always get away.” – George Zimmerman

An actual audio recording of Zimmerman after describing this kid as a black male.

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Side effect of shooting someone

Not in this case. That someone had so little external bleeding that George managed to barely get any on him according to the DNA tests.

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Really big gaping wound there!

Legally not relevant.

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Damn, that kid is good to have only that tiny injury after inflicting so much on Zimmerman.

Not really. Zimmerman only really had one injury that I'd think even likely to cause a mark on the hands striking the blow. The head banging on concrete wouldn't mark up Trayvon's hands, nor would the numerous other small bruises and such.

Legally though, that doesn't matter. That George was pinned to the ground, in pain, taking injury, and unable to get away is more than enough legal justification.

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Its one of the draw backs of trying this in the media. His story is in concrete. Any back tracking at this point will place more than reasonable doubt in the mind of any jury.. and even the Judge.

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Side effect of shooting someone

Not in this case. That someone had so little external bleeding that George managed to barely get any on him according to the DNA tests.

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Really big gaping wound there!

Legally not relevant.

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Damn, that kid is good to have only that tiny injury after inflicting so much on Zimmerman.

good or maybe there wasn't a fight at all.

Not really. Zimmerman only really had one injury that I'd think even likely to cause a mark on the hands striking the blow. The head banging on concrete wouldn't mark up Trayvon's hands, nor would the numerous other small bruises and such.

No proof that Martin attached Zimmerman, no medical documents to support the claim no witness saw the fight.

Legally though, that doesn't matter. That George was pinned to the ground, in pain, taking injury, and unable to get away is more than enough legal justification.

Shows Martin was trying to prevent Zimmerman from using his gun.

You forget drowning in his own blood from the broken nose.

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And some could also claim it shows his racial motivation, especially in light of the theft he, himself, experienced.

People claim a lot of things that have no basis in fact. Truth is, we have no reason to assume that George wouldn't have acted any different if it was a white guy acting suspicious that night he was calling about.

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Not taking any sides here (You know, cuz nobody has all the info)but I do want to note that anytime there's this much discussion re a case, a good defense lawyer should have zero difficulty raising reasonable doubt

Pretty much. There would have to be some majorly incriminating evidence not made public yet, because what's known isn't remotely enough to stick a conviction.

Any lawyer who can't raise reasonable doubt at this point sucks ass to the point where disbarment should be considered.
If I were a DA I'd take this case in a heartbeat. Maybe even pro bono for the free pub. It's a superduper easy slamdunk unless there's some incontrovertible evidence out there that has yet to come to light

If you read O/Mara website, he admits Zimmerman has a creditabliy problem. As you have stated if the case against Zimmerman is weak why has O'Mara simply taken it to trial, and get Zimmerman acuitted. Instead he gets a waiver on a speedy trial and states the case may not go to trial until 2014, he is even now starting discovery which means he is only now exaiming the evidence. It appears this case is not going to be so easy as some may think.

You're making some assumptions there. Why would O'Mara rush it to trial before even getting all of the evidence? As O'Mara complained in September, he just got one of the most critical pieces of evidence given to him in George's favor (the drawing of Trayvon on top of George by W6).

It's absurd to rush such a high profile case to trial, slam dunk or not, without waiting on all the evidence.

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he is even now starting discovery which means he is only now exaiming the evidence.

Untrue. O'Mara has been examining the evidence all along. Reciprocal discovery is the Defense digging up the evidence that the State hasn't supplied, witness depositions, etc. With the State's evidence only it already looks overwhelmingly on George's side, imagine how much more so it'll look once O'Mara has added his evidence. That's still no reason to rush it though. A smart attorney would still want to make sure there's no surprises and that all the bases are covered, even as much of a slam dunk as this case is.

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And given that Zimmerman received Neighborhood Watch training, he would have been EXPLICITLY INSTRUCTED never to follow anyone.

Funny thing that. There's no evidence that this is the case. The Sanford Neighborhood Watch Handbook does not explicitly instruct never to follow anyone, and Wendy Dorival when questioned about it, "following" was wrapped up in a 3 part question with "confronting" and "carrying firearms". She said "no" that it wasn't their policy, but earlier had stated explicitly that they don't forbid neighborhood watch from carrying firearms, and when she elaborated, it was on "confronting". She doesn't bring up following again.

She didn't say whether she brought up following in her presentation. She didn't say if any resident of The Retreat at Twin Lakes asked a question about it. She didn't say whether she explicitly discouraged following. She didn't say if she told the people that observing was not to include changing positions to keep a suspect in sight. She didn't cite any NHW program materials on the subject. There's nothing in the NHW materials that give an explicit direction to never follow.

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One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

That is known.

And changes nothing. You're still assuming.

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And some could also claim it shows his racial motivation, especially in light of the theft he, himself, experienced.

People claim a lot of things that have no basis in fact. Truth is, we have no reason to assume that George wouldn't have acted any different if it was a white guy acting suspicious that night he was calling about.

Just like you[sm=biggrin.gif] Also remember the some 28 calls Zimmerman made to the police prior to killing Martin were all black suspects, no whites.[;)]

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Also remember the some 28 calls Zimmerman made to the police prior to killing Martin were all black suspects, no whites.[;)]

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As pointed out before by farglebargle I believe, the Neighborhood Watch at the gated community was and is not registered with the National Orginization.