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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/7/2012 11:51:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

See folks, civility can happen in P/R :-)

I should have read futher before saying anything.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 2:52:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Getting off point, Farglebargles position is that because of diallo and a lynching in 98 a white man acused of killing a black man must automatically be guilty.


Actually, my point is that Trayvon Martin had plenty of reason to fear for his safety from the man who killed him, and that defending himself from his killer was clearly justified. And then I showed a court case to illustrate the issue at hand, where people reacting to a similar situation were judged not guilty.

The real double-standard here is that if Travyon Martin was a woman, NO-ONE would be defending George Zimmerman's choices that night.


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 3:20:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
The real double-standard here is that if Travyon Martin was a woman, NO-ONE would be defending George Zimmerman's choices that night.

If it had been a woman that mauled Zimmerman, he would still have been justified to shoot her in self-defence.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 5:01:27 AM   
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When someone has you on hide they can not see me? He been a pain he said I was attacking him
but when I have seen men curse him out lol I was shocked so now I understand, a*&^%$# at best!

He is 9875 as well he had three of my message pull I hurt his feeling so, on how and or I had disagreee with'
his thoughts on this subject of Zimmerman/Martin case!

I did not understand they had so very little or none racial things on there(my post no cursing at all), I never said a thing about his being white or anythng of that
nature but I was pulled and fast!

But again thank you for editing my post it is something I must learn how to do!!!

take care and best regards

Mons ( I must leabrn this game is words) I had wrote you a small note I do hope you do not mind!!


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 5:12:09 AM   
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The blame is on you, not him.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 5:35:16 AM   
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oh now look who is doing the personal attackes...


Not at all. You were making stuff up that wasn't true, so I suggested you stop. It undermines your position.

That's helpful advice, not a personal attack.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 5:36:46 AM   
Raiikun


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Let see...there is no medical or any evidence what so ever blood, DNA, skin, hair etc. witness etc that Martin even touched Zimmerman.


No DNA tests were done of Martin's hands except for a single scraping under one fingernail of each hand. Therefore, you can only speculate as to what was or was not on Trayvon's hands.

This has been pointed out before.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:15:44 AM   
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No DNA tests were done of Martin's hands except for a single scraping under one fingernail of each hand. Therefore, you can only speculate as to what was or was not on Trayvon's hands.


One scraping? Out of everything I have read, you are the only one to claim there was scraping under only one nail.

Mind passing on that source?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:31:32 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/2012/09/GZ-FLDE-bio-evidence-2-0919.pdf

Page 28.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:36:18 AM   
Nosathro


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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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Let see...there is no medical or any evidence what so ever blood, DNA, skin, hair etc. witness etc that Martin even touched Zimmerman.


No DNA tests were done of Martin's hands except for a single scraping under one fingernail of each hand. Therefore, you can only speculate as to what was or was not on Trayvon's hands.

This has been pointed out before.


Wrong again read....if you can

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-dna-problem/2012/09/30/40605a58-0a46-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-bloody-mess/2012/09/28/e204d598-09a4-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_blog.html

Not at all. You were making stuff up that wasn't true, so I suggested you stop. It undermines your position.

That's helpful advice, not a personal attack.

I post where I get my info, you get on your soap box and justifiy your opinion with others opinion, no facts, you don't orginal thoughts you just want attention, like Zimmerman

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:37:56 AM   
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Wrong again read....if you can

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-dna-problem/2012/09/30/40605a58-0a46-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-bloody-mess/2012/09/28/e204d598-09a4-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_blog.html



Your source is a blogger who is wrong.

My source is the actual evidence dump from the State of Florida. In the entire evidence the State has released there is no DNA tests of Trayvon's hands except for scrapings from under one fingernail of each hand.

< Message edited by Raiikun -- 10/8/2012 6:38:44 AM >

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:41:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/2012/09/GZ-FLDE-bio-evidence-2-0919.pdf

Page 28.


Page 8 indicates scrapings right and left hand



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:44:22 AM   
Raiikun


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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/2012/09/GZ-FLDE-bio-evidence-2-0919.pdf

Page 28.


Page 8 indicates scrapings right and left hand




Page 28 says ME-2A is "Fingernail, right" and ME-2B is "Fingernail, left." One scraper for each. That was written by the individual who did the DNA tests.



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:48:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		lol.... you think they scrape each separately?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:50:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/2012/09/GZ-FLDE-bio-evidence-2-0919.pdf

Page 28.


Then there is page 3, test results, Martins hands, page 5 and page 6 Martin clothing.... your page 28 report no foreign matter on Martin finger, which again shows no contact with Zimmerman, so what did Martin use to break his nose and bang Zimmerman head...a feather? You are very selective about what you want us to believe....rather what you believe

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:50:32 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		Collection procedures for fingernail scrapings are:

Use a rounded end of a toothpick to collect the evidence
A separate toothpick should be used for each hand
Collect the scrapings (and the toothpick) into a piece of folded paper (use a separate piece for each hand)
Place the evidence in separate labeled envelopes

http://dnacourses.dna.gov/letraining_adv/responsibilities/CollectAndPackage/FingernailScrapings

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:51:56 AM   
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Collection procedures for fingernail scrapings are:

Use a rounded end of a toothpick to collect the evidence
A separate toothpick should be used for each hand
Collect the scrapings (and the toothpick) into a piece of folded paper (use a separate piece for each hand)
Place the evidence in separate labeled envelopes

http://dnacourses.dna.gov/letraining_adv/responsibilities/CollectAndPackage/FingernailScrapings



Each hand was done. Thats the report you got... not just one nail.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:52:02 AM   
Raiikun


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your page 28 report no foreign matter on Martin finger


And what was tested was under the fingernail. Nothing else.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:53:19 AM   
Raiikun


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Each hand was done. Thats the report you got... not just one nail.


Fingernail, left.
Fingernail, right.

NOT

Fingernails.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:55:09 AM   
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Wrong again read....if you can

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-dna-problem/2012/09/30/40605a58-0a46-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-bloody-mess/2012/09/28/e204d598-09a4-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_blog.html



Your source is a blogger who is wrong.

My source is the actual evidence dump from the State of Florida. In the entire evidence the State has released there is no DNA tests of Trayvon's hands except for scrapings from under one fingernail of each hand.


The Washington Post is a newpaper, a very good one if you had read was reporting on the finding of the same report you claim, interesting that you only seem to focuse on just one test when others were taken that go on to show the lack of any proof Martin even touch Zimmerman but then again, that would not be something you want to believe, who biased?

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