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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:56:37 AM   
Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

The Washington Post is a newpaper, a very good one if you had read was reporting on the finding of the same report you claim, interesting that you only seem to focuse on just one test when others were taken that go on to show the lack of any proof Martin even touch Zimmerman but then again, that would not be something you want to believe, who biased?


You're entirely spinning things again. I'm pointing out that there were ZERO tests done on Martin's hands, except for the scrapings under the nails. That's it. No other tests on his hands were done, therefore you can only speculate what was or was not on his hands.

This was long known before that blogger at the Post wrote those posts completely misinterpreting the evidence.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:57:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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Each hand was done. Thats the report you got... not just one nail.


Fingernail, left.
Fingernail, right.

NOT

Fingernails.


lmao... dude... its standard to scrape ALL nails... one test for each hand.

I realize you have to be told you are wrong... but you really have no clue what you are talking about.

They scrape each nail, collecting any evidence for each hand, and send that off to the lab.



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 6:58:35 AM   
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lmao... dude... its standard to scrape ALL nails... one test for each hand.



That was my assumption too. I'm just quoting the person who did the tests.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:00:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		If it had been done the way you are saying, all the lawyers would be screaming for the ME's head.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:00:20 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		And considering they left Trayvon's body out in the grass for nearly 3 hours, and didn't even bag his hands, I've learned to not make assumptions as to what they've tested.

Fact still remains, the only thing on Trayvon's hands that was tested is the fingernail scrapings. We can therefore only speculate what is or is not on Trayvon's hands.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:03:37 AM   
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If it had been done the way you are saying, all the lawyers would be screaming for the ME's head.



I'm thinking they should be. The deposition with the ME will be an interesting one. Why didn't the ME swab Trayvon's hands for testing for instance?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:10:52 AM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:22:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		And I guess the one other thought that occurred to me, since somewhere between the SPD and ME, they got the evidence numbers backwards for the hoodie and the sweatshirt underneath; maybe it's possible the ME mislabeled the envelopes to say "fingernail" instead of "fingernails" (or the individual reading the label transcribed it wrong.)

So it's possible. But seriously, reading through the notes of the DNA tester, she starts each section off with quoting what is presumably how the item is labeled before being sent to her.

She quotes ME-2A and B as "Fingernail, left" and "Fingernail, right", as if that's how they were labeled before being sent off to the lab for testing.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:28:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being from a medical background, if the scrapings were only from a single fingernail, I would expect that to be made clear... ie... third fingernail, left hand

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:44:58 AM   
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Getting off point, Farglebargles position is that because of diallo and a lynching in 98 a white man acused of killing a black man must automatically be guilty.


Actually, my point is that Trayvon Martin had plenty of reason to fear for his safety from the man who killed him, and that defending himself from his killer was clearly justified. And then I showed a court case to illustrate the issue at hand, where people reacting to a similar situation were judged not guilty.

The real double-standard here is that if Travyon Martin was a woman, NO-ONE would be defending George Zimmerman's choices that night.


And my point is that realistically and statistically Martin had about as much chance of getting lynched as simultaneously being struck by lightning and being mauled by a wild platypus.
Whereas Zimmerman's fear was much more reality based.


You weaken your own arguments by throwing crap like this out there. It's emotional kneejerkism and utterly fails any logical test.
Argue the case on merit and people may take you seriously. Otherwise you come off as a race baiting lunatic

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 7:58:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think Zimmerman's level of fear has to be called into question as well. Does it make sense to leave the safety of a vehicle to follow someone you are afraid of? I do believe I read somewhere that Z claimed he was fearful when sitting in his vehicle.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 8:05:16 AM   
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Unbelievable that this has gone 44 pages. Let me know what day the jury is going to come back with a verdict, because that will be one of those rare days I carry a gun.


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 8:11:47 AM   
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I think Zimmerman's level of fear has to be called into question as well. Does it make sense to leave the safety of a vehicle to follow someone you are afraid of? I do believe I read somewhere that Z claimed he was fearful when sitting in his vehicle.


There's a difference there though. You can tell on the NEN call where Zimmerman is nervous at Trayvon circling the vehicle, after he tells the dispatcher he's approaching him and has a hand in his waistband. He talks over the dispatcher at that point to urge him to get an officer there.

At the point he is getting out of the vehicle though, Trayvon is running. I think any fear Zimmerman had prior to that was mitigated by not believing he would run into someone who had just run away.

But really, under Florida law, the only point where George's fear has legal relevance, is at the moment he pulled the trigger. Did George reasonably believe at that moment he needed to use deadly force to prevent serious bodily harm? If so, it was a justified homicide, no matter what level of fear George may have had when getting out of the vehicle.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 8:17:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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Unbelievable that this has gone 44 pages. Let me know what day the jury is going to come back with a verdict, because that will be one of those rare days I carry a gun.




LOL... then start something more interesting Rich

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 8:18:26 AM   
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But really, under Florida law, the only point where George's fear has legal relevance, is at the moment he pulled the trigger.


Is that by statute?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 9:19:37 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		Yes. The statute says nothing about fear prior to the moment force is used; only that there be a reasonable belief that force is needed to prevent imminent serious bodily injury.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 9:21:00 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		And another update, there is a hearing Oct. 19th in regards to subpoenas in regards to Trayvon's school records, and Trayvon/Deedee's twitter and facebook pages.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 9:27:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to ask... what are they hoping to find and how are they relevant?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 9:58:20 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		There's a lot of probabilities for what they expect to find (having looked through Trayvon's twitter and Deedee's probable twitter.) As for what's relevant, that's hard to say until they've gotten the records and reviewed them. There might be nothing in them relevant, but they can't know that unless they look.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/8/2012 10:02:38 AM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		But what could be relevant is anything that shows a reputation for violence on Trayvon's part (swinging on a bus driver for instance, according to his cousin), or certain tweets from Deedee that put a major kink in her story (her tweets on the day of Trayvon's funeral in which she was supposedly in the hospital are interesting reading).

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