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VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: No name calling . . . but racism and mocking dead friends is OK. (9/24/2012 8:20:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Rule
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
One thing that contributes to this is that there seems to be two different definitions/understandings of what anti-Semitism is. Most people would, I hope, agree that anti-Semitism refers to disparaging either Jews as a whole, or individually, or the Jewish race/religion solely or substantially on account of their Jewishness, singling out Jews for special treatment solely because they are Jewish. In the USA there seems to be a genuine belief held by some that either any or excessive criticism of the Israeli State, on any grounds, constitutes anti-Semitism. I know of nowhere else, (and that includes Israel itself) where this definition is accepted.
Until this matter is sorted out and a single standard agreed and operating, it seems inevitable that this confusion, and the accompanying rancour will persist. So this seems to me to be as good a time as any to have that discussion and hopefully find some agreement on this contentious issue.
I propose to use my definition: anyone who has a circumcised penis, or has a father or grandfather with a circumcised penis, or is part of a population in which circumcision is practiced - is a Jew. Please notice that this definition does not distinguish between dress, holy books nor festivities nor countries, It simply is a convenient concept; we might as easily rename the concept 'Circs' or 'Bwlewaprs', but such names would be foreign to most people.
I am quoting this particular post because it includes both posts that I want to address. The first one, since I do not post as a regular user, is a point I want to interject in part as a user, not as a "Collarme site" answer.
Rule: I am not giving an opinion on your statement, but felt the need to post this because Im not sure if you are actually aware of this practice in the United States. According to the statement you made, I am Jewish, and almost everyone I know is Jewish, if the deciding factor is the PHYSICAL PRACTICE of circumcision. When my son was born 32 years ago, they didn't even ask me if I wanted him circumcised or not, they scheduled a procedure to have it done before we left the hospital at his birth, because it was the most common practice here. I am not saying whether you are right or wrong, just by your definition I am Jewish, and all my family is, and some of the Christian Baptists in my extended family would argue for hours with you about that [;)]. I don't expect a reply about this and do not want to cause this thread to continue in this vein, just wanted to make sure you were actually aware of this practice in the USA, since you are a citizen of another country.
As to the definition of antisemitism in relation to TOS and how it applies on these boards:
Disparaging either Jews as a whole, or individually, or the Jewish race/religion solely or substantially on account of their Jewishness or following recognized practices whether religious or not that is attributable to being either of the Jewish race or religion, singling out Jews for special treatment solely because they are Jewish. This all addresses their RACE or religion, it has nothing to do with political beliefs or the arena. Therefore, criticism of the Israeli state is not anti-Semitism. Other racial/religious comments that are not allowed can include, but not be limited to, any derogatory comment attacking someone because of something they practice or believe because of their race, gender, religious, or sexual beliefs.
That is not all encompassing but hopefully that answers tweakabelle's and others questions.[:)]
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