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Aswad -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 10:27:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subartist

I suppose it's possible, but I've tried this before. If I've been denied orgasms for a significant period of time, like for weeks, there's no way I would be able to hold back an orgasm during penetrative sex. I would last like 2 seconds at most...


Even if you're that sensitive, there are two billion ways to increase endurance.

The easiest is to use topical lidocaine cream which is rinsed off once it's had time to work. It should make it possible to keep at it for a few hours without climaxing. And, of course, most SSRIs will effectively kill either your libido, your orgasms or both. Those work for a long time and have been used in sex offenders in the past, with fewer side effects than antiandrogens.

Of course, it's also possible to train to raise your endurance naturally.

Start confining your masturbation to a regular schedule and completely refuse to indulge the impulse outside that schedule. Keep track of your breathing while you're doing it. Fight the tendency for breathing to grow shallow and rapid, which is part of the body preparing for an orgasm. At first, you should breathe according to an internal, steady four count. (In-spi-ra-tion, h-o-l-d, ex-pi-ra-tion, h-o-l-d, etc.) That'll lead to naturally taking deeper breaths, due to carbon dioxide buildup. Initially, focus on your breathing. Later, you'll be able to focus on what your body is telling you, and experiment with ways to divert it away from where it's going.

Continue by doing other activities while practicing, and learn to focus your attention on those activities, cutting back on the intensity when your body is telling you it's nearing a climax. Bring a regular six sided die or something, and roll it after you've started. If it comes up an even number, finish without orgasm that day, but with normal duration. Cease any intake of caffeine, which tends to make these impulses more frequent and more urgent. Part of the point is to divorce yourself from it and eliminate the attachment to the idea of orgams.

With a bit of time and effort, even someone with a low threshold of stimulation and low endurance will be able to get to the point where it is trivial to maintain an erection without climaxing from stimulation. You'll probably find yourself sometimes changing your mind after you start, deciding you don't really have the motivation to finish. Heck, you could probably get to the point where it's boring, if you just stick with it for a while, though I'm not sure why one would want to get there.

I've no interest in orgasm denial myself, but I've intentionally held back during sexual activity for other purposes, such as prolonging the duration of painfully intense anal sex for sadism, or having a two hour blowjob from a woman with an aversion to semen as part of the process of building down the aversion. Masturbation is something I often extend to anywhere between half an hour to two hours. Beyond a couple of hours, I find it becomes unpleasant afterwards, though, and so I don't do that without a good reason.

While there are dommes with an interest specifically in chastity, I think most would prefer a man that can fuck their brains out while his attention is focused on her, and without having any unauthorized orgasms. That also lends itself to conditioning, by using permission as a reward, and frustration (if you still get that) as a source of energy.

The ladies will have a better idea of that, though.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




Arturas -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 10:49:21 AM)

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suppose that my needs are very selfish, as are a lot of things in the world of D/s dynamics and kink. The trick is to meet the rare woman whose own selfish needs happen to match mine, and we can be consensually selfish together. :)


Greetings to the OP,

Perhaps my definition of "intimacy" and yours are different. I cannot determine the equivalence between being consensually selfish together and being intimate. To me they are conflicted. Perhaps your view of "intimacy" is being selfish and she being shelfish and each selfishness feeds on each other. Then when finished, you selfishly seperate until you feel the need to be "intimate" again. This seems as if you are really talking about mutual self gratification rather than intimacy. It actually seems more like the Gorean free woman's relationship with her male slave and this I can understand without even remotely associating this relationship with the word "intimate".

I wish you well,
Arturas




Alecta -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 10:54:46 AM)

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I suppose that my needs are very selfish, as are a lot of things in the world of D/s dynamics and kink. The trick is to meet the rare woman whose own selfish needs happen to match mine, and we can be consensually selfish together. :)


Uhm no... the trick is to find the people who understand what you want and don't see it as being selfish, and the trick on your part is to oblige yourself without being selfish.

As it's been pointed out, intimacy to a woman is not tab-A-slot-B. It is not, strictly speaking, in orgasms or bodily fluids. It is in a myriad of other little things. A touch on the hand, a silly garnish on a meal, a kind word or none at all; little emotional availability things. As I'd mentioned before, most men into the sexual denial or cuckoldry kinks turn women off because they get to becoming incredibly self-absorbed when talking about it; or on occasion you make us feel like we're not good enough for you to have sex with. Admittedly it's not an easy subject to express to someone you're wooing without sounding like an ass either lol

The thing about a man wanting sexual denial in a relationship is... ok, if that is the main focus and goal of you starting a relationship with me, why do you need me? You're being denied sex perfectly well as it is without a partner. Also, I'm starting to think, more women like their men to suffer the denial as opposed to being excited about it (like me with humiliation and corporal punishments) and men who sound excited about it ruins the fun.

There are women who would enjoy tempting and breaking you OUT of that self-enforced chastity and they, i think might look more favourably on this interest than some, although the men do not always enjoy them.

As it has also been pointed out, Dommes don't like subs feeling like they get to choose. It's irrelevant whether I end up fucking you three times a day or once in three years, what's relevant is it's MY choice, not yours.

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Sex intimately and completely connects the two physically and through the id. When a woman is connected this way to a man she is hormonally captured by the man and when that is lacking then she is no longer this way after time.


I truly appreciate your perspective on this, Arturas. It is interesting to hear from your male Dom perspective. However, I suspect that this might be more true on the reverse from the man towards a woman than from a woman towards a man. In sexless marriages, it is more common that the man disconnects first, equating sex to intimacy, whereas the woman is more prone to disconnect only when other behaviours of the man reject their feelings of intimacy towards their partner. That's not to discount the women who do fall into the modes of behaviour you described, only that I do not objectively believe that to be a majority.





Aswad -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 12:44:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alecta

In sexless marriages, it is more common that the man disconnects first, equating sex to intimacy, whereas the woman is more prone to disconnect only when other behaviours of the man reject their feelings of intimacy towards their partner.


Sexologists here have done some informal studies that indicate the lack of sex is a serious problem for women, too, and does cause the couple to disconnect. The same studies indicate that in 40% of cases, divorce is due to lack of sexual satisfaction, although a complete lack of intimacy is far more severe than mere lack of sex.

The genders aren't as different- inherently- as we'd like to think.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




Alecta -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 12:50:38 PM)

I don't mean that the blanket mass majority of women don't see lack of sex as a serious problem. Perhaps it's better rephrased to say they don't tend to see it as the first and/or only problem?




Aswad -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 2:06:18 PM)

Will "sufficient problem" be an acceptable compromise?

IWYW,
— Aswad.




Alecta -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 2:07:42 PM)

Yes, I think it would :)




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 2:22:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subartist




I suppose it's possible, but I've tried this before. If I've been denied orgasms for a significant period of time, like for weeks, there's no way I would be able to hold back an orgasm during penetrative sex. I would last like 2 seconds at most...



You haven't been doing enough web surfing at your handy dandy BDSM type sex shop. There are tons of items and devices to delay and/or stop the male orgasm while allowing the female to have penetrative sex.

You have never *really* had a female torture you unless you have had penetrative sex with her for hours, with her keeping you just on the edge, but not allowing you to cum. And oh yes, it can be done.

Not that I would know, I am a mere innocent, but I've <cough> heard about it.

Aswad gave some great advice in this area, he's not just a pretty face !!





focalss -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 4:55:00 PM)

All I can say is what I said before and got flamed, for me it's about sex. I don't need to be with a dominant and not have sex. I can not have sex on my own.

Lack of sex is not as high priority a problem for women as it is for men but I think it is rare that a male dom doesn't have sex with a female sub.




Alecta -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 6:42:28 PM)

ok, you're entitled to be yourself, but that's not the question we were trying to answer for the OP.




CougarRick -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:00:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subartist
Do you think that sexual denial and chastity is an impossible barrier to intimacy? I want a long term relationship that is intimate and real, but I also long to be denied, and cuckolded. From my perspective sexual denial and chastity just means no penetrative sex, and no orgasms for me, but that a very intimate and sexual relationship is still very possible. I think that when I talk about sexual denial most women are turned off, and interpret this as no intimacy. I wonder how women here feel about the prospect of a relationship with a sub man who you deny sexually?



Am I completely off base if I draw a distinction between sexuality and intimacy? Obviously lacking in the experience area, but I see intimacy as holding hands, cuddling, giving a foot massage....etc.




CougarRick -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:17:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Start confining your masturbation to a regular schedule and completely refuse to indulge the impulse outside that schedule. Keep track of your breathing while you're doing it. Fight the tendency for breathing to grow shallow and rapid, which is part of the body preparing for an orgasm. At first, you should breathe according to an internal, steady four count. (In-spi-ra-tion, h-o-l-d, ex-pi-ra-tion, h-o-l-d, etc.) That'll lead to naturally taking deeper breaths, due to carbon dioxide buildup. Initially, focus on your breathing. Later, you'll be able to focus on what your body is telling you, and experiment with ways to divert it away from where it's going.



My god, there's a science behind all this?




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:19:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CougarRick

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ORIGINAL: subartist
Do you think that sexual denial and chastity is an impossible barrier to intimacy? I want a long term relationship that is intimate and real, but I also long to be denied, and cuckolded. From my perspective sexual denial and chastity just means no penetrative sex, and no orgasms for me, but that a very intimate and sexual relationship is still very possible. I think that when I talk about sexual denial most women are turned off, and interpret this as no intimacy. I wonder how women here feel about the prospect of a relationship with a sub man who you deny sexually?



Am I completely off base if I draw a distinction between sexuality and intimacy? Obviously lacking in the experience area, but I see intimacy as holding hands, cuddling, giving a foot massage....etc.


As I read through this thread, I had the same thought. I think sex and intimacy, while related are not at all the same thing, and that trying to treat them as the same thing is confusing (at least for me it is confusing).

I am a submissive female and I need penetrative sex in a relationship. I would have ZERO interest in a long-term monogamous relationship with someone who had no interest in penetrative sex at the beginning of a relationship. Could I engage in Top/bottom sessions on occasion with someone that did not include penetrative sex. Yes, of course. Long term? Possibly. Monogamous? NO. I would need someone else in my life to fulfill the sex part of the equation.

Can couples share intimacy without sex? Absolutely. I do not see sex as necessary for intimacy in a relationship, especially as I feel intimacy is not limited to physical intimacy, but is a much more complicated construct than that that includes psychological, emotional, and even intellectual bonding. I would argue that laughing at the same thing in a newspaper is actually an intimacy. While I say this, I do believe sex is very typical, and a major driving force at the start of practically all long-term monogamous relationships, but sex often is not the main driving force after decades together. So is sex a precursor for long-term intimacy? Perhaps? Is sex necessary for continued intimacy? Probably not.

Can you share sex with someone you are not intimate with? I actually think...yes. Although the longer two people are together, I think keeping intimacy out of the equation becomes more difficult.

Can you share intimacy with someone who you do not have sex with? Perhaps?

The above is not completely thought through - just trying to articulate how I feel about sex and intimacy, as in my own life, these are related, and yet distinct constructs. [sm=2cents.gif]




CougarRick -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:28:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Can couples share intimacy without sex? Absolutely. I do not see sex as necessary for intimacy in a relationship, especially as I feel intimacy is not limited to physical intimacy, but is a much more complicated construct than that that includes psychological, emotional, and even intellectual bonding. I would argue that laughing at the same thing in a newspaper is actually an intimacy. While I say this, I do believe sex is very typical, and a major driving force at the start of practically all long-term monogamous relationships, but sex often is not the main driving force after decades together. So is sex a precursor for long-term intimacy? Perhaps? Is sex necessary for continued intimacy? Probably not.

Can you share sex with someone you are not intimate with? I actually think...yes. Although the longer two people are together, I think keeping intimacy out of the equation becomes more difficult.

Can you share intimacy with someone who you do not have sex with? Perhaps?



Not much I could really add to that. I can't see how sex without intimacy would be as gratifying as sex with intimacy, but that is just my opinion. I would want there to be something between me and the other person; It wouldn't have to be mad love (although that would be nice), but the fuck buddy thing sounds depressing.

Intimacy without sex sounds easier. Granted as you point out, most long term relationships will usually involve sex, but I think that the sex itself might be better if it didn't happen too soon in the relationship, and the two people waited and allowed the intimacy to build first.

I would want to get the chemistry right, build the intimacy and then wait until both people were literally dying for the physical sex.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:35:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subartist
Do you think that sexual denial and chastity is an impossible barrier to intimacy?

There is much more to intimacy than just sexual intercourse. That can be part of it but is most definitely not all of it. I would say it depends on the couple, whether it would be an impossible barrier or not.

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ORIGINAL: subartist
I wonder how women here feel about the prospect of a relationship with a sub man who you deny sexually?

If it were just during a single day/evening, like edging and denial and then finally allowing him to cum, that would be cool with me. I could really get into because it makes it even better for him when he does get to cum and, at the same time, I can make him suffer for an extended period before that happens. But I'm certainly not going to keep him in chastity, that would deny me as well and I like crazy wild fucking too much to do that. [:D]

NBMG




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:41:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CougarRick

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Can couples share intimacy without sex? Absolutely. I do not see sex as necessary for intimacy in a relationship, especially as I feel intimacy is not limited to physical intimacy, but is a much more complicated construct than that that includes psychological, emotional, and even intellectual bonding. I would argue that laughing at the same thing in a newspaper is actually an intimacy. While I say this, I do believe sex is very typical, and a major driving force at the start of practically all long-term monogamous relationships, but sex often is not the main driving force after decades together. So is sex a precursor for long-term intimacy? Perhaps? Is sex necessary for continued intimacy? Probably not.

Can you share sex with someone you are not intimate with? I actually think...yes. Although the longer two people are together, I think keeping intimacy out of the equation becomes more difficult.

Can you share intimacy with someone who you do not have sex with? Perhaps?



Not much I could really add to that. I can't see how sex without intimacy would be as gratifying as sex with intimacy, but that is just my opinion. I would want there to be something between me and the other person; It wouldn't have to be mad love (although that would be nice), but the fuck buddy thing sounds depressing.

Intimacy without sex sounds easier. Granted as you point out, most long term relationships will usually involve sex, but I think that the sex itself might be better if it didn't happen too soon in the relationship, and the two people waited and allowed the intimacy to build first.

I would want to get the chemistry right, build the intimacy and then wait until both people were literally dying for the physical sex.


I don't consider intimacy to be the same as "romantic love". So I agree with you that sex without love is not as gratifying as sex with love. I'm not sure I would say the same thing about intimacy. For me, sex, intimacy, and love are all separate constructs. In other words, I could have sex and be intimate with someone who I am not in love with (in fact, I have done that - I would put one of my long term play partners in that category).

I'm still trying to think through how much intimacy one can build before sex. I think you can have intimacy before, but how much? I sort of feel that while some intimacy can develop before sex, very deep intimacy comes after having shared a sexual relationship.

I would argue that you can be deeply romantically in love with someone you have never had sex with. Again, I feel love is a separate construct from intimacy.

When I suggest that sex is usually there at the "start" of a relationship, I think "start" has to be defined loosely. In the sense that I'm not suggesting that sex occur on the first date. I was simply suggesting that I could not imagine someone going for years without sex being part of the equation. The "start" of a relationship usually has sex as an objective earlier in the overall time frame rather than later, so to speak. A couple who has been together for 10 years is unlikely to have waited 5 years to have sex, for example. Surely, it would typically happen much sooner than that.

Again, thinking out loud....




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:49:07 PM)

p.s. what we term "mature love" is probably what occurs after romantic love, sex and intimacy have fully developed themselves in a relationship. And while "romantic love" and even sex can fade in intensity and importance, you would need some enduring level of intimacy to retain "mature love". Again, thinking out loud....




subartist -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 7:51:32 PM)

The example of a lesbian couple comes to mind. A woman might be in a very intimate and sexual relationship with another woman without penetrative sex. It's like a non issue, she would never want or expect penetrative sex from her partner, and intimacy is no problem. But with a man could she achieve the same level of intimacy without penetrative sex?




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 8:04:25 PM)

It's true that a person can be a lot of intimacy without penetrative sex. Even though I missed the penetrative sex, I used to be in a very intimate relationship w/ a guy who had ED. When the relationship ended, it had nothing at all to do with his ED, the problems were totally unrelated to that. I just can't see purposely denying myself something that is so available by keeping him in chastity.

NBMG




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Is sexual denial a barrier to intimacy? (9/23/2012 8:17:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl

It's true that a person can be a lot of intimacy without penetrative sex. Even though I missed the penetrative sex, I used to be in a very intimate relationship w/ a guy who had ED. When the relationship ended, it had nothing at all to do with his ED, the problems were totally unrelated to that. I just can't see purposely denying myself something that is so available by keeping him in chastity.

NBMG

Was penetrative sex part of your relationship before the ED issues, or did you have this relationship without any penetrative sex throughout the relationship? I would have thought the intimacy developed in the early part of the relationship when you were having penetrative sex, and that this intimacy that you developed then sustained you through the time when he had ED. But if you are saying that you had no penetrative sex at any time in this relationship, I would find that quite interesting.




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