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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 12:32:41 AM   
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I'm mentally ill. I make no secret about that. I work hard to be at my highest possible functioning level, which may not be as high as some people start out at, but it's what I can do. I know the things I must do to try and maintain that, and taking my meds is only one of those things.


I'm sorry for your troubles, but it seems like you're taking the most positive path.
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I am unowned, but in the past when owned, and if I were to be owned again, it is by Masters who show an interest in helping me maintain my highest level of well being, including taking responsiblity for myself.


Quite right too!


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This week I was contacted by someone on the other side with a fetish for mental illness. This is the second time this has happened to me on that site. The first time was a professional theeripist, who had an interest in owning a mentally ill woman. both expressed an interest in helping me maintain myself in a less healthy state, so they could manipulate me better. The first one was specifically interested in maintaining a depressed state, as he described, 'just short of suicide' (now that's a dangerous thought. Overshoot that one and there's no safeword to help you)


I don't have words to describe how nasty these two people seem to be.

The "therapist" in particular... fuck me. I'd go further and say that if this therapist is a member of a professional body, he/she should be reported. My personal and unqualified opinion is that anyone who feels a desire to maintain someone in a state of depression "just sort of suicide" is mentally ill themselves, and in a dangerous way.

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I am not in danger of going along with such ownership. If a dominant lied about his interests and after I was with him began that kind of crap, I'd leave, after talking to him enough to be sure he knew darn well what he was doing. Once I caught on that it was intentional, I'd be gone before you could sneeze and say bless you.


That's the spirit!

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What do y'all think of this?


I think they are total assholes, and that you rock.

[ED to fix a couple of typos I spotted]

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 12:42:56 AM   
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I agree wholeheartedly with Grace. How anyone who wishes to be responsible for another would want to use their influence to essentially destroy the other person is beyond me. But, sometimes, I feel as if I am out of touch with what it means to be dominant. I can't tell you how many submissives I've met who have wanted to be harmed, mistreated, or reduced to nothing. It seems that, to many, "dominant" is code for sociopath.


Naw... until you've met those people face to face and taken pictures, they're just random snippets of fantasy floating ownerless and aimlessly on the internet aether.

As much as the OP's second example did not have a clue what Depression does, the ones who demand to be reduced to nothing are living in the fantasy of that sensation and don't actually know what it is either. Take it with a grain of salt and ease them into the reality of a good thrashing and being left strung up in the basement for a few hours and they'll change their minds ;p

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 12:46:29 AM   
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.......

As much as the OP's second example did not have a clue what Depression does, the ones who demand to be reduced to nothing are living in the fantasy of that sensation and don't actually know what it is either. Take it with a grain of salt and ease them into the reality of a good thrashing and being left strung up in the basement for a few hours and they'll change their minds ;p


LOL exactly....

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 4:07:41 AM   
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I'm mentally ill. I make no secret about that. I work hard to be at my highest possible functioning level, which may not be as high as some people start out at, but it's what I can do. I know the things I must do to try and maintain that, and taking my meds is only one of those things. I am unowned, but in the past when owned, and if I were to be owned again, it is by Masters who show an interest in helping me maintain my highest level of well being, including taking responsiblity for myself.

This week I was contacted by someone on the other side with a fetish for mental illness. This is the second time this has happened to me on that site. The first time was a professional theeripist, who had an interest in owning a mentally ill woman. both expressed an interest in helping me maintain myself in a less healthy state, so they could manipulate me better. The first one was specifically interested in maintaining a depressed state, as he described, 'just short of suicide' (now that's a dangerous thought. Overshoot that one and there's no safeword to help you)

I am not in danger of going along with such ownership. If a dominant lied about his interests and after I was with him began that kind of crap, I'd leave, after talking to him enough to be sure he knew darn well what he was doing. Once I caught on that it was intentional, I'd be gone before you could sneeze and say bless you.

I told both I think they have an idea that is better in fantasy. The new one specifically said he'd like to keep me in a diseased state to 'better serve him domestically and sexually'. I told hiim depressed people don't want to clean or have sex, or do much of anything else, except maybe cry, and maybe not even that. (sometimes depression feels sad, sometimes it just feels empty). when either depressed enough or manic enough, touch - even the unaviodable touch of air on my skin - can be painful, it's called nerve pain, I take a pill for it, but if I get manic enough it still happens. since even such unaviodable things as wearing clothes or taking a shower hurt, I'm sure not going to be up for much play.

I'm just wondering how common this fetish is and if other mentally ill subs would find it an acceptable fetish to cater to. To me it is a little like, only worse, feeder doms. i'm fat, but I don't go in for feeders. I'm fat enough as it is. I want a Master who accepts me as I am and wants the best for me, wants constant improvement, within my capabilities, with an eye to stretching those. What do y'all think of this?


Really? REALLY? People never cease to amaze me. Girlfriend, Tsatske, you sure you are the one with mental illness? Sounds like you are healthier then those idiots approachng you. Ugh that just pisses me off.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 4:59:22 AM   
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I believe in always having that kind of info out there front and center. So any one has an issue they can pass right on by with out even stopping. And I also would tell those who ,it turned out wanted to keep me from being as healthy and as whole as I was as capable of being to keep on trucking.

Id be concerned about if the therapist was ethical in his practice, and maybe might try to bring him to someway attention to check that out if it were me he had contacted.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 7:55:13 AM   
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Mental health is as important to your quality of life as physical health. I wouldn't suggest messing with either. To me, there is little difference between telling someone you want to exacerbate their depression to the point of suicide, and telling someone you want to withold their cancer treatments until they hit stage 4.

Tell them to take a hike, that's not the kind of 'suffering' you were looking for.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 8:53:48 AM   
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People on this board ROCK! I only put this up to start an interesting conversation, but y'all helped me decide to rewrite my profile.

Only I didn't rewrite my profile, the wonderful Chatte did! And it Rocks! thanks, everyone, esp. Chatte!

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 9:42:20 AM   
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I agree wholeheartedly with Grace. How anyone who wishes to be responsible for another would want to use their influence to essentially destroy the other person is beyond me. But, sometimes, I feel as if I am out of touch with what it means to be dominant. I can't tell you how many submissives I've met who have wanted to be harmed, mistreated, or reduced to nothing. It seems that, to many, "dominant" is code for sociopath.


Naw... until you've met those people face to face and taken pictures, they're just random snippets of fantasy floating ownerless and aimlessly on the internet aether.

As much as the OP's second example did not have a clue what Depression does, the ones who demand to be reduced to nothing are living in the fantasy of that sensation and don't actually know what it is either. Take it with a grain of salt and ease them into the reality of a good thrashing and being left strung up in the basement for a few hours and they'll change their minds ;p


I sure hope you're right. I have spent time trying to convince them not to have so low an opinion of themselves and how they should be used. I usually am then told I'm not a true dominant. LOL I like your idea of using reality to change their fantasy.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 9:57:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alecta


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ORIGINAL: ursamajour

I agree wholeheartedly with Grace. How anyone who wishes to be responsible for another would want to use their influence to essentially destroy the other person is beyond me. But, sometimes, I feel as if I am out of touch with what it means to be dominant. I can't tell you how many submissives I've met who have wanted to be harmed, mistreated, or reduced to nothing. It seems that, to many, "dominant" is code for sociopath.


Naw... until you've met those people face to face and taken pictures, they're just random snippets of fantasy floating ownerless and aimlessly on the internet aether.

As much as the OP's second example did not have a clue what Depression does, the ones who demand to be reduced to nothing are living in the fantasy of that sensation and don't actually know what it is either. Take it with a grain of salt and ease them into the reality of a good thrashing and being left strung up in the basement for a few hours and they'll change their minds ;p


I dunno. I did meet a local sub once, we hung out and got lunch, who said she intentionally looks for guys that'll cheat on her and betray her and cause her emotional distress. Apparently that's her fetish or something. And I've met others that.... haven't said anything to this effect, but just seem to end up with abuser after asshole after abuser. I don't know if they're intentionally seeking that out, if it's a subconcious thing where nice guys don't turn them on, or if they're just so desperate that they'll just get with anybody. I suspect #2.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 10:28:12 AM   
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great new profile.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 10:58:08 AM   
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I dunno. I did meet a local sub once, we hung out and got lunch, who said she intentionally looks for guys that'll cheat on her and betray her and cause her emotional distress. Apparently that's her fetish or something. And I've met others that.... haven't said anything to this effect, but just seem to end up with abuser after asshole after abuser. I don't know if they're intentionally seeking that out, if it's a subconcious thing where nice guys don't turn them on, or if they're just so desperate that they'll just get with anybody. I suspect #2.


Seeking abuse (not just play) is rooted in a distorted sense of self-esteem where the abuse is incorrectly perceived as deserved.


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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 4:05:30 PM   
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It's disgusting. At just short of suicide, I wouldn't have cared what he said. I sure wouldn't have focused on him. I was focusing, as well as I could, on not offing myself.

As far as a professional therapist wanting this? He needs to be reported and have his license pulled.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 4:19:41 PM   
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People on this board ROCK! I only put this up to start an interesting conversation, but y'all helped me decide to rewrite my profile.

Only I didn't rewrite my profile, the wonderful Chatte did! And it Rocks! thanks, everyone, esp. Chatte!

The new profile looks great. I see that you only mention your mental illness much further down in your profile - and this is much better than how you opened with it before. So kind of Chatte!

I would also still consider whether you want to mention your mental illness in your profile at all. Obviously this is your judgment call to make, but I still think there is an advantage to waiting to meet someone, and then letting them know about that aspect of yourself. I am NOT suggesting you hide the information from anyone, but simply not disclose it in your profile. I feel you have this aspect of yourself under control (in addition to having gone through 12 steps - yay you!) and that you can reveal it in person to someone who you are truly interested in. Just my opinion. Please ignore if it is not what you want. This is obviously a personal decision.

Be well, and I hope the rewrite eliminates the type of correspondence you had received that prompted your post.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 6:14:29 PM   
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I feel why waste the time. Have it on the profile, and then they wont even bother to show interest if a mental illness is an automatic disqualifyer.


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I would also still consider whether you want to mention your mental illness in your profile at all. Obviously this is your judgment call to make, but I still think there is an advantage to waiting to meet someone, and then letting them know about that aspect of yourself.


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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 6:59:39 PM   
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Ya know, I used to always say I would never involve myself with a man who has mental or physical disabilities but ya know, I've met some great guys who did have those issues and I never knew until after we went out and it turned out I liked them enough that those disabilities just didn't matter to me because they handled their life very wisely and honestly so that the disability was not even ever an issue. They took care of their problems to the point that it just didn't really play much of a significance in their life.

So, I personally see no reason to put it on a profile. Meet the person first. See if you both like each other first. And if it turns out you both want to spend more time together, then maybe you can tell them. It may turn out that it's not such a big deal as you seem to make it.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 7:56:39 PM   
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I wouldnt find it a healthy fetish....i would find it weird and wouldnt want anything to do with this individual. Even if this illness is a part of me, it isnt what makes me me. It isnt my likes and dislikes and desires and wishes and dreams.

I dont get how a person would get an interest in another person based on the fact that she's sick and that would be a red flag for me.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 8:14:35 PM   
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I know, Chemi, that's why I compared it to feeder doms. Yes, I'm fat, but I have no interest in chubby chasers who are only interested in me because I'm fat and are equally intersted in all fat women. Obviosly anyone I'm in a relationship would have to be interested in large women and find us beautiful, but his interest shouldn't start and stop there, imo. So, the same with my mental illness.

I don't like being a fetish object - if you define fetish, as I'm doing here, as a sexual interest that takes over all other feelings, so the fetisist is interested only in people who meet his fetish, and in any people who meet his (her) fetish, and doesn't care aobut other facets of that person or that person as an individual. I have no interest in fulfilling that role.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/24/2012 9:31:25 PM   
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I'm overweight, and I state it on my profile. If you're not interested, then pass me on by. The same with the clinical depression. Yup, it's on there, but it's no different to me than being physically disabled. I put it out there so that if you're not into it, and can't understand it, then again, pass me on by.

I'm self-aware enough to know when the bullshit starts and I won't put up with it. Now I haven't always made wise choices, but that is a totally separate issue as far as I'm concerned. I know what I have to do to keep *me* healthy, and if someone isn't willing to help me with that, or accept it, then take a long walk off a short pier. I have no time for someone who isn't going to treat me with the respect I deserve. I know who and what I want in a partner, and I won't settle for anything less.

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/25/2012 4:09:12 AM   
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Ya know, I used to always say I would never involve myself with a man who has mental or physical disabilities but ya know, I've met some great guys who did have those issues and I never knew until after we went out and it turned out I liked them enough that those disabilities just didn't matter to me because they handled their life very wisely and honestly so that the disability was not even ever an issue. They took care of their problems to the point that it just didn't really play much of a significance in their life.

So, I personally see no reason to put it on a profile. Meet the person first. See if you both like each other first. And if it turns out you both want to spend more time together, then maybe you can tell them. It may turn out that it's not such a big deal as you seem to make it.


I am with littlewonder on this. You see how she says I USED TO ALWAYS SAY. I feel the same way. If someone broadcasted I am mentally ill, I dont think I would give them a second glance. I think they should meet you first see who you are then tell them, and only if it looks promising. I personally think PEOPLE think alot of things, and say alot of things, and find later it isnt totally true. Sounds like you have a really good handle on your problems.
I USED TO SAY, my kids would never be allowed to do that, before I had them.........lol. Sometimes we think stuff that really isnt true about ourselves. Let them see you first because you are not totally defined by the illness. Just my thoughts. Good luck!

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RE: mental Illness and submission - 9/25/2012 7:09:37 AM   
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I feel why waste the time. Have it on the profile, and then they wont even bother to show interest if a mental illness is an automatic disqualifyer.


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I would also still consider whether you want to mention your mental illness in your profile at all. Obviously this is your judgment call to make, but I still think there is an advantage to waiting to meet someone, and then letting them know about that aspect of yourself.



There are two main reasons for my comment.

First, I think people who speak in blanket terms ("I would never date someone with mental illness") have a certain definition of mental illness, and quite frankly, it is quite narrow. Just to use one example, a lot of people suffer from clinical depression at some point in their lives. I think one really has to meet someone first, and then have the discussion in person to determine what one is dealing with. Mental illness as a category does not mean someone is a paranoid schizophrenic who has murderous intentions. It could be someone who is suffering from mild depression and is controlling it properly. I find it hard to believe someone would refuse to be with someone who has depression. I live in a city that is notorious for people being in therapy for a wide range of issues! Maintaining good mental health is important and not everyone with "mental illness" should be considered "dangerous" and/or unfit for a relationship.

Second, I do think there are people out there who are predatory and searching for people with either mental illness or psychological baggage due to past experiences or trauma, and whose intent it is to exploit that. And for this reason, I feel it is safer for people to not be too upfront about mental/psychological issues and the sources for those issues, until one has gotten to know someone a little bit better. I have, in my own journey online, encountered such types of predators. I think they are highly dangerous because their intent is to actually actively prevent people from achieving good mental health. This is unacceptable, from my perspective. If such people did not exist, I would be less concerned about people advertising things up front. And let us be quite clear. People who are predatory like this do NOT always reveal their intentions. If one puts mental health information in one's profile, then the predator knows something about the person, but the predator is not likely to reveal their true intentions to that person. I think that kind of informational imbalance as relates to mental health, extremely unwise.

But at the end of the day, we are all adults, and we each put into our profiles what we see fit. I still think people should be aware of the pitfalls, and real risks.

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