Is a private contract of slavery legal?

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

Is a private contract of slavery legal?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> Is a private contract of slavery legal?

Page: [1] 2 3 next > >>

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 10:38:47 PM

angelmaleslave

Posts: 15
Joined: 9/18/2012
Status: offline

The slavery is illegal, you can't buy and sale slaves.. but you are free to live in slavery!!.. Can you sign a private contract of slavery accepting to be treated just like a slave including corporal punishment? Is it legal and possible??. Thanks

Profile

Post #: 1

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 10:46:11 PM

AthenaSurrenders

Posts: 3582
Joined: 3/15/2012
Status: offline

no.

_____________________________

Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 2

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 10:57:13 PM

angelmaleslave

Posts: 15
Joined: 9/18/2012
Status: offline

Are you sure?

(in reply to AthenaSurrenders)

Profile

Post #: 3

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 10:59:21 PM

Aderious511

Posts: 58
Joined: 5/11/2012
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelmaleslave

Are you sure?

Yes.

Nearly 100% of what goes on in BDSM is illegal. You do not have the legal capacity to consent to such acts, regardless of how much you may want to.

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 4

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 11:00:49 PM

angelmaleslave

Posts: 15
Joined: 9/18/2012
Status: offline

Thanks

(in reply to Aderious511)

Profile

Post #: 5

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 11:07:41 PM

BitaTruble

Posts: 9779
Joined: 1/12/2006
From: Texas
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelmaleslave

The slavery is illegal, you can't buy and sale slaves.. but you are free to live in slavery!!.. Can you sign a private contract of slavery accepting to be treated just like a slave including corporal punishment?

I don't know what your local laws are in Madrid. In America, you can sign anything you like.

quote:

Is it legal and possible??. Thanks

Again, check your local laws.

For me, I don't care whether it's legal or not. I would be a hypocrite if I used legality to shape my life when there are laws that I do break whether intentional or in ignorance. If you already have compatible partners or find one or some, it's not the law that's going to bind you together.

_____________________________

"Oh, so it's just like
Rock, paper, scissors."

He laughed. "You are the wisest woman I know."

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 6

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 11:10:46 PM

littlewonder

Posts: 15659
Status: offline

legally? No

a contract within a bdsm relationship? Sure, but you will never be able to have it be a legal contract. A judge would laugh you out of his/her courtroom.

ETA: In Madrid? I have no idea but here in the U.S., no.

< Message edited by littlewonder -- 9/23/2012 11:11:59 PM >

_____________________________

Nothing has changed
Everything has changed

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 7

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/23/2012 11:25:45 PM

Alecta

Posts: 1355
Joined: 1/19/2010
Status: offline

Legal can be defined in two ways: "Will you get arrested for signing a slave contract?" and "Will the law enforce your contract?" Please be specific as to which one you mean.

Then look it up for your country of residence because every government has different laws.

(in reply to littlewonder)

Profile

Post #: 8

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 12:01:12 AM

crazyml

Posts: 5568
Joined: 7/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aderious511
Nearly 100% of what goes on in BDSM is illegal.

What the fuck?

Don't be ridiculous. Some aspects of BDSM are illegal, but it's nothing like "nearly 100%"

_____________________________

Remember.... There's always somewhere on the planet where it's jackass o'clock.

(in reply to Aderious511)

Profile

Post #: 9

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 12:02:10 AM

angelmaleslave

Posts: 15
Joined: 9/18/2012
Status: offline

Here un Spain is completely illegal, but I thought that is possible in USA

(in reply to Alecta)

Profile

Post #: 10

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 12:04:44 AM

crazyml

Posts: 5568
Joined: 7/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelmaleslave

The slavery is illegal, you can't buy and sale slaves.. but you are free to live in slavery!!.. Can you sign a private contract of slavery accepting to be treated just like a slave including corporal punishment? Is it legal and possible??. Thanks

You can't sign a contract that includes corporal punishment, because c/p is illegal.

I suppose you could sign a contract that covered other aspects of the relationship, it would effectively be an employment contract. You could commit to provide domestic services, provided that you received something of value in exchange (lodging, a small financial fee). But you'd need to make sure that you didn't fall foul of minimum wage legislation, that the "owner" paid the necessary employment taxes.

But, I suspect that this kind of arrangement isn't what you're after.

_____________________________

Remember.... There's always somewhere on the planet where it's jackass o'clock.

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 11

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 12:25:43 AM

Alecta

Posts: 1355
Joined: 1/19/2010
Status: offline

In the USA you can sign anything and not get in trouble. BUT the law will not support any agreements for committing a crime,meaning the piece of paper you signed is actually worthless and doesn't mean anything.

SO. If you signed a slave contract, then RAN AWAY, your US Master will not be able to go to the police and say "My slave ran away, please go catch him for me", and if you decide to sue your Master for being your Master, and claim that he used and abused you against your will, you will most likely win and the slave contract you signed will not be of any help to your Master whatsoever.

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 12

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 12:49:47 AM

shivermetimbers

Posts: 2060
Joined: 6/7/2008
Status: offline

Don't listen to all the know it alls that will say anything from "no" to "no" with a shitload of legal speak because they are lawyers or wannbe lawyers.

You can do anything you want, and you can make it legal. In fact, if you have a dick someone may want, you can write that away.

Do you have a big dick? I want to be a sadistic dominant, and seeing as I'm ugly as hell, I'm thinking having a bunch of money and/or a ginormous cock would help get me some young, beautiful/ sexy starved bitches to be mine.

The cunts and pussies on this site will fill your head full of bullshit. In fact, they are too much of a cunt or pussy to use the words cunt and pussy. I know you can have whatever you want. You want to be a slave, I want a big dick, and to be rich.

Do you have a big dick? No one wants a slave with a big dick, it's kind of like being an economics teacher to a student who already has a multibillion dollar business. I want a big dick. Will it to me, I was first in line for sure. And if you happen to have a shit load of money, I'm a money dominant. True slaves don't care who their money goes too, but in the event of a tie, it should go to small dicked wannabe dominants like me.

You are handsome btw. Can I have your moustache too?

_____________________________

I love you Deanna, you make every day a better day.

If we descended from monkeys and apes, why are there still monkeys and apes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ3CJi0Ih9s&feature=player_embedded

http://www.thebuccozone.com/piratesong.htm

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 13

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 4:25:54 AM

tazzygirl

Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

BDSM contracts and the law

BDSM Contracts may not be binding in the United States, but may serve as evidence of the parties' knowledge/intent, awareness and waiver of risks, and more, in courts of law.[1] For example, if a contract specifically states what a dominant has consent to do, and/or that a dominant may not permanently disfigure or scarify the submissive, it would allow a jury to differentiate between the acts which have been consented to and the disfigurement/scarification which have not, and impose a judgment accordingly.

Per one attorney specializing in BDSM issues, "consent" is a legitimate defense to assault in "most places"[1] but, given the legal precedent of the U.K.'s Operation Spanner case, consent might not be a valid defence in the United Kingdom (but the U.K.'s case law after Operation Spanner is unclear, and exonerations may occur possibly depending on the specific "extreme sex" act, whether injury was due to recklessness [exonerations occurred] or "unpredictably dangerous" [conviction occurred as this phrase was used by a judge to describe the sexual activity], or even whether the participants are married or at least heterosexual[2]. In the U.K., even the one who consented to BDSM activities has been convicted for aiding and abetting in the "assault" upon himself in one homosexual case,[1] but in other (heterosexual) cases, the alleged victims were not even arrested for consenting to the "assaults".[3]

In areas of the world where BDSM activities are illegal, contracts brought to light can be used to prosecute those involved in the BDSM lifestyle. In some countries consent is not a defense to assault, and a BDSM contract which gives consent may not protect a dominant from being charged with criminal activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_(BDSM)

Just to clear up a few things

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 14

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 4:57:05 AM

DarkSteven

Posts: 28072
Joined: 5/2/2008
Status: offline

Actually, the answer hinges on the differences between a vanilla contract and a BDSM one. It would be perfectly acceptable to have a contract which details that a slave (although of course he/she could not be referred to as a slave in the contract) is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter. Any reference to sex or kink would be unenforceable, though, and any reference to specific physical punishments would be out.

We have a written contract somewhere, which originally stated things like my sub not being allowed to talk down anyone in the house (specifically written to prevent her self-denigrating). It was never written as a legal document - it was simply something to get down on paper what was expected of her, and to provide a starting point.

If any sub/slave did opt to leave, and their former Master tried to go to the courts to enforce the document, he or she would be laughed out of court and the local community as well.

_____________________________

"You women....

The small-breasted ones want larger breasts. The large-breasted ones want smaller ones. The straight-haired ones curl their hair, and the curly-haired ones straighten theirs...

Quit fretting. We men love you."

(in reply to tazzygirl)

Profile

Post #: 15

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 10:02:56 AM

graceadieu

Posts: 1518
Joined: 3/20/2008
From: Maryland
Status: offline

You can write a contract however you like, but I highly doubt it'll be enforceable in court.

(in reply to angelmaleslave)

Profile

Post #: 16

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 4:12:34 PM

DesFIP

Posts: 25191
Joined: 11/25/2007
From: Apple County NY
Status: offline

In the United States, you can not accept being battered except if playing a contact sport. And if you propose to do that, either you or a legal guardian must sign a waiver agreeing to the possibility of harm. Call your attorney and ask about local laws.

_____________________________

Slave to laundry

Cynical and proud of it!

(in reply to DarkSteven)

Profile

Post #: 17

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 4:24:57 PM

fucktoyprincess

Posts: 2337
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

In the United States, you can not accept being battered except if playing a contact sport. And if you propose to do that, either you or a legal guardian must sign a waiver agreeing to the possibility of harm. Call your attorney and ask about local laws.

Does anyone else find it interesting that this is the one exception that we have in our society? I don't know why but it makes me laugh. Truly.

_____________________________

~ ftp

(in reply to DesFIP)

Profile

Post #: 18

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 4:32:24 PM

VideoAdminGamma

Posts: 2233
Status: offline

Fast reply

Some violations for hijacking have been removed, and the replies to those violations. If you wish to discuss a completely different issue than what is presented in the OP, please start a new topic.

Thank you for being a part of CollarMe,
Gamma

_____________________________

"The administration has the authority to handle situations in whatever manner they feel to be in the best interests of the forum, at that moment, in response to that event. "

http://www.collarchat.com/m_72/tm.htm

(in reply to fucktoyprincess)

Profile

Post #: 19

RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 4:47:01 PM

Baroana

Posts: 1480
Joined: 11/13/2011
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

In the United States, you can not accept being battered except if playing a contact sport. And if you propose to do that, either you or a legal guardian must sign a waiver agreeing to the possibility of harm. Call your attorney and ask about local laws.

Does anyone else find it interesting that this is the one exception that we have in our society? I don't know why but it makes me laugh. Truly.

That's actually an interesting point. Why isn't BDSM play grouped with other kinds of play/sports (such as wrestling)? Injuries would then be considered an acceptable and expected part of the game, and the consenting adults engaging in those activities wouldn't be criminalized. I can see this as a logical next step in sexual liberation. After all, ass sex used to be illegal in several states until 2003.

(in reply to fucktoyprincess)

Profile

Post #: 20