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DaddySatyr -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 8:42:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

It should be an opt-in, not an opt-out for the parents.


What? breaking laws and violating the rights of people whose morals differ to those of the lefties shouldn't be the default position?

I know I told you some time ago but, allow me to re-iterate, please: I like your pluck, young lady.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




tazzygirl -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 8:50:03 AM)

Breaking what laws?

Wow, you do love to stretch things.... shame stretching your mind isnt one of them.




tazzygirl -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 8:52:59 AM)

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You support the idea that strangers are making it possible for her to be sexually active with the illusion that there are zero consequences, which in all likelihood, places her at a higher risk for STDs. According to the CDC 39% of all new HIV cases occur between the ages of 13 and 29. With 7000 teen pregnancies a year in New York City, obviously they are not using the free condoms, so do you think the increased promiscuity that pregnancy free sex sex is likely to cause will make your daughter more or less likely to contract a disease?


LOL.. I love this... zero responsibility. Like the only responsibility there is to having unprotected sex is pregnancy.

I find this position laughable from a platform that believes only abstinence should be taught in schools. I wish I could think that innocently... "Dont have sex" and they wont. However, I live in the real world.




SadistDave -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:03:09 AM)

Okay, so you're fine with your teenage daughter being an AIDS infected whore? How very progressive of you.

As a parent, I want a little more for my kids than that.

-SD-




mnottertail -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:05:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I find this position laughable from a platform that believes only abstinence should be taught in schools. I wish I could think that innocently... "Dont have sex" and they wont. However, I live in the real world.


That platform worked out real knippy for old Sarah Palin, you gotta admit..........

But I know in my conservative reptilian brain that if you  don't allow them access to pills or safes, the problem is solved because real Americans don't have sex. (and thats why there are some 350 million of them here in the states).  Its only the Chinese that do that sort of filthy shit.....heathens, they are.




tazzygirl -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:08:31 AM)

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Okay, so you're fine with your teenage daughter being an AIDS infected whore? How very progressive of you.


You really do have to show me where I ever said such a thing.

Another strawman attack.

I am for educating and empowering our youth. Not burying my head in the sand and pretending they dont have sex.




mnottertail -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:12:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Okay, so you're fine with your teenage daughter being an AIDS infected whore? How very progressive of you.

As a parent, I want a little more for my kids than that.

-SD-


Exactly how many Aids infected whores are there in America that arent from the conservative school of the Minneapolis Airport Bathroom?

There are any number of people of any number of ages that do shit I don't condone.

But look, you know what?  We don't want nuclear proliferation, so let's just not sell them nuclear technology, and everything will be just sweet as sweet potato pie.

If we dont want war, lets disband the military.

If we dont want to repair infrastructure, lets just crush the fucking cars.

If we dont want muslims, jews, mormons, buddhists, or whatever, lets just demolish Utah and the shules.   




DaddySatyr -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:15:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Okay, so you're fine with your teenage daughter being an AIDS infected whore? How very progressive of you.

As a parent, I want a little more for my kids than that.

-SD-


Honestly, Dave, to me the issue is: MOST of the PPLs are fine with someone else's daughter being in danger.

You know, there's a group of people that believe that a lot of these "social programs for the poor or disadvantaged" are just racism, masked with false philanthropy. More and more, I begin to think that may be correct.

I think the "progressives" are trying to eliminate the "great unwashed" by seeming like conquering heroes. I am no longer buying it.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




kalikshama -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:17:33 AM)

Abstinence-Only Sex Education Statistics - Final Nail in the Coffin

...[President Bush] made increased funding for abstinence education a centerpiece of his campaign in 2000. During the Bush era funding nearly tripled, from $73 million per year in 2001 to $204 million per year in 2008.

The Republican party also took a similar position in 2008, a position that was certainly reinforced by the choice of Sarah Palin, an abstinence-only proponent for vice-president. That stance appeared as a plank in the platform alongside another party position, support for programs demonstrating a track record of success.

This stance came in spite of growing concerns over the effectiveness of abstinence education programs. We noted in a prior article that “abstinence-only education has been losing steam in recent years.” The web site WebMD Health News indicated that “Seventeen states, including California, have opted out of the programs, choosing to forgo federal funds and instead teach about abstinence along with contraception, including condom use.”

We also referenced an Associated Press article that confirmed the data noting “that participation in the program is down 40 percent over two years.” States opting not to partake in the program meant that nearly half of all funds for such programming remained unclaimed, this despite the fact that most states were experiencing enormous funding shortfalls.

Effectiveness of Program

Previously, when discussing abstinence-only education, most people would reference a recent summary by the Cochrane Collaboration. The Cochrane folks studied 13 abstinence-only education programs – they could not find one that showed an “enduring effect” on teen’s sexual behavior.

In addition to the Cochrane study, another federally funded study of four abstinence-only programs by the Mathematica Policy Research Inc., published in April of 2007, revealed similar results. The research group found that “participants had just as many sexual partners as nonparticipants and had sex at the same median age as nonparticipants.” In other words, abstinence education programs did nothing favorable – the result was the same as if there were no program being offered at all.

Now a third study, this by Janet E. Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, revealed some of the most troubling data of all. A national longitudinal study of adolescents, specifically 934 high school students, examined one of the factors used as a measurement of success for abstinence-only education programs, the virginity pledge.

Final Nail in the Coffin

In the most recent study, researchers compared teens who had taken the virginity pledge to those who had not taken a pledge. The researchers found results similar to the aforementioned studies.

First, the rate of the teens taking part in sex was the same. Those taking the virginity pledge were just as likely to have intercourse. The only positive, statistically small, was that those taking the pledge had 0.1 fewer sex partners over the five year study than did those who did not take such a pledge.

However, two other findings were most damning. First, those taking the virginity pledge were less likely to protect themselves. Pledge takers were found to be less frequent users of condoms and other forms of birth control.

Therefore, those youngsters who took the virginity pledge were not only just as likely to have intercourse, they ultimately were more likely to take part in sex in an unsafe manner. This has led experts to conclude that the lessons students take from their abstinence-only education programs is a negative and/or faulty view of contraception.

Second, and most importantly, virginity pledges are one of the measurement tools for determining if the abstinence education program is effective. For these federal funded programs, the government has counted pledges as data that the program is effective.

Rosenbaum summarizes the data succinctly, “Abstinence-only education is required to give inaccurate information. Teens are savvy consumers of information and know what they are getting.”

Time to Put an End to Program Funding

Ellen Goodman, a national columnist, offered this assessment of the entire abstinence-only education movement.

“Our investment in abstinence-only may not be a scam on the scale of Bernie Madoff. But this industry has had standards for truth as loose as some mortgage lenders. All in all, abstinence-only education has become emblematic of the rule of ideology over science.”




mnottertail -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:17:41 AM)

By the great unwashed, am I free to interpret that as teenage aids infected whore?




tazzygirl -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:22:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Okay, so you're fine with your teenage daughter being an AIDS infected whore? How very progressive of you.

As a parent, I want a little more for my kids than that.

-SD-


Honestly, Dave, to me the issue is: MOST of the PPLs are fine with someone else's daughter being in danger.

You know, there's a group of people that believe that a lot of these "social programs for the poor or disadvantaged" are just racism, masked with false philanthropy. More and more, I begin to think that may be correct.

I think the "progressives" are trying to eliminate the "great unwashed" by seeming like conquering heroes. I am no longer buying it.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



Racism?

rofl

Conservatives stand on the platform of ignorance and stupidity when it comes to teenage sex.

And you two are really funny. Its only the daughters we have to worry about becoming aids infected? Who do you think is infecting the daughters? other daughters?

Teach the sons to wrap it up before "sewing their wild oats" and half the problem would be taken care of.




ursamajour -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:23:32 AM)

The rights of a parent should not extend to the "right" to force one's daughter to carry and deliver a child against her will. This isn't the Dark Ages. I applaud the decision and only wish it went further by eliminating the nonsensical ability of parents to "opt out" on behalf of their children.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:28:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ursamajour

The rights of a parent should not extend to the "right" to force one's daughter to carry and deliver a child against her will. This isn't the Dark Ages. I applaud the decision and only wish it went further by eliminating the nonsensical ability of parents to "opt out" on behalf of their children.


Yes! Indeed! Allowing people a choice as to how they raise their children would be Un-American!

Get well, soon.

I mean; I like totalitarian socialism as much as the next guy. The trouble is: The guy next to me doesn't like it very much, either.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




ursamajour -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:36:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Yes! Indeed! Allowing people a choice as to how they raise their children would be Un-American!



If you really believe making reproductive choices for your child is within the acceptable bounds of choosing how to raise your children, I weep for your children. Why not decide who they will marry and whether they will be allowed to leave the house, too? Children aren't the slaves of their parents.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:39:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ursamajour

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Yes! Indeed! Allowing people a choice as to how they raise their children would be Un-American!



If you really believe making reproductive choices for your child is within the acceptable bounds of choosing how to raise your children, I weep for your children. Why not decide who they will marry and whether they will be allowed to leave the house, too? Children aren't the slaves of their parents.


Weep all you want, buddy. There are plenty of people that believe that is one of the definitions of parenting right up until the child reaches the age of majority and abdication of that duty to be a criminal act.

Of course, the other side is firmly in the "It Takes A Village" camp. Hitler believed society should raise children, also (as did the Greek and Roman Empires and let's not forget about Sparta. How did that work out? Growing society or dead civilization? Hmmmmm?). Watch out for the elbows you rub!



Peace and comfort,



Michael




ursamajour -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:47:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Weep all you want, buddy. There are plenty of people that believe that is one of the definitions of parenting right up until the child reaches the age of majority and abdication of that duty to be a criminal act.


Plenty of people believe a woman's body can "shut down" "legitimate rape," too. Incorrectness in numbers is no less incorrect.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Of course, the other side is firmly in the "It Takes A Village" camp. Hitler believed society should raise children, also (as did the Greek and Roman Empires and let's not forget about Sparta. How did that work out? Growing society or dead civilization? Hmmmmm?). Watch out for the elbows you rub!


False equivalency is false. Believing we all share responsibility to foster and nurture the next generation does not make us Nazis or Spartans.




tazzygirl -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:50:38 AM)

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False equivalency is false. Believing we all share responsibility to foster and nurture the next generation does not make us Nazis or Spartans.


Amazingly enough, my generation and older were raised just that way. I didnt do something wrong without the expectation that a well meaning neighbor would have told my parents before I got home.

They tend to forget that villages did raise children... nowadays, no one is.




mnottertail -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:52:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: ursamajour

The rights of a parent should not extend to the "right" to force one's daughter to carry and deliver a child against her will. This isn't the Dark Ages. I applaud the decision and only wish it went further by eliminating the nonsensical ability of parents to "opt out" on behalf of their children.


Yes! Indeed! Allowing people a choice as to how they raise their children would be Un-American!

Get well, soon.

I mean; I like totalitarian socialism as much as the next guy. The trouble is: The guy next to me doesn't like it very much, either.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



Well,  by god you are free to choose it still, just tell your daughters that they cant have them, and if the gym teacher and principal hold her down and shove them down her throat that you should be told so you can call the cops.

Nothing has changed in your life. 




DaddySatyr -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 9:52:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ursamajour
False equivalency is false. Believing we all share responsibility to foster and nurture the next generation does not make us Nazis or Spartans.


No. What it means is that at least a part of your thought process lines up very nicely with some previous cultures and it would make most people take a look at their stance to make sure that they've really thought it out.

Let's be very clear, here; I was not calling you a nazi or a Roman. I was saying that those cultures had tried that way of child rearing and I believe that was part of the reason for their downfall.

However, please, carry on. My children were raised, raised well, and none of them have encountered un-wanted pregnancies as a part of their experience. It seems I did some things right.



Peace and comfort,



Michael





ursamajour -> RE: Morning After birth control now available at 13 NYC Schools (9/26/2012 10:03:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
What it means is that at least a part of your thought process lines up very nicely with some previous cultures and it would make most people take a look at their stance to make sure that they've really thought it out.

I'm pretty sure the same could be said for any part of anyone's thought process. You could always find something similar between some idea or ideal in the modern era and one in an earlier culture.
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
My children were raised, raised well, and none of them have encountered un-wanted pregnancies as a part of their experience. It seems I did some things right.

I'm genuinely glad to hear it. Unfortunately, some girls make bad choices or have unfortunate things happen to them like rape. They should have the option to decide how they move forward, on their own terms.




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