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When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:01:56 AM   
Lilmiss0


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Status: offline 		When is a Slave broken? This is my question, please do share your reflections
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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:03:46 AM   
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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:20:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		My answer, although I am sure it won't be the popular one.....is when someone is naive enough to allow someone who presents as "all knowing" but in reality is "utterly clueless" to talk them into considering or buying into such a stupid concept.

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:22:47 AM   
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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:28:43 AM   
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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:32:32 AM   
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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:36:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems to be a concept that is being tossed about more recently. Personally, I wouldn't consider anyone who put any stock in it as being worth their salt though. It's really utterly ridiculous to me.

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:37:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why would I want a broken slave? I'm not a repairperson and therefore like my slaves intact and functioning.

Any Dominant that *breaks* a slave emotionally/physically is someone that needs a boot put up their butt. My best advice is steer clear of the ones who want to break you, what they really want is a doormat to wipe their dirty shoes on.

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:41:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lilmiss0

When is a Slave broken? This is my question, please do share your reflections

If the Master/Dominant does things the right way...NEVER. I have yet to meet one, or talk to one who would perfer a 'broken' slave/submissive.
 
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  is when someone is naive enough to allow someone who presents as "all knowing" but in reality is "utterly clueless" to talk them into considering or buying into such a stupid concept.


I totally agree

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:42:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thank all thee for thou replies and I think I should clarify my position a little in relation to this matter. I  cannot explain why but in past I have desired that my Master 'break me.' Whilst I was unable to really identify or communicate what that meant for me, I felt it was a real need that I had, and still do have. I realise this is somewhat of a dilema as one can never be truly broken less they do not continue to breathe and live.

I posted my earlier question 'When is a Slave broken' to gauge insightful opinion. My master believes I am broken because I am, unless I'm feeling naughty, willingly and unquestionably subservient to him but somehow I feel I remain decidedly unbroken. I would like to thank those who take the time to share their opinions so that I can reach sufficient understanding to conclude the matter for myself.

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:50:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		very very few "slaves" need to be broken
there are a few, like myself, who are SAM'S smart assed masochists, who deliberately provoke a dom or domme until their insolence.
wish i wasnt like that as it has resulted in some painful discipline but its not something i consciously do,have been like this since day i first realized i was born to be a submissive

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:52:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		A slave is broken when they are no longer psycholgically able to consider theif welfair.  They would be unable to look at a situation and go 'you know this may not be the brightest thing to do'.  Some times it's temporary and sometimes it's permanent.  Now I'm sure I'm going to get alot of people on my a** for this but I've even heard some people say that sub space is one form of temporarily breaking a person.  Before you get your knickers in a twist, or if you must, twist your knickers for a sec, but if you agreed with the first statement I made about being unable to consider their own welfare then think about a sub that is in deep sub space, and maybe this is true?  I don't know I'm not a psychologist.  Just some food for thought.  Why must breaking someone be synonymous with malicous? It could be done in a loving and controlled way by someone who knows what they are doing.  To some this might be the ultimate form of submission.  And of course permanently breaking someone is entirely different, just so you all don't think I'm totally psycho lol.  Just my reflection :)

Lacaena

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:52:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is very common for a dominant to accidentally "break" a slave or submissive by violating their trust. This is an unfortunate fact of life.

It is also fairy common for a dominant man or woman to deliberately set out to "braek" a slave or submissive of the gender of their choice. The theory is that one breaks the sub down into an obediant and compliant person who loses all needs and wants other than those you give them. Then (much like military basic training) one rebuilds the slave or sub into the person one wishes them to be.

However in the BD/SM scene this often is very traumatic. The sub is broken down into that worthless being, but then suddenly all the things about them which originally attracted the dom are gone. So the building up into the valuable prperty does not take place, as that is a LOT of work, and there are many attractive new subs out there to play with now the old one bores you.

I find a process of mutually respectful growth and "building up" the relationship is far more interesting and fulfilling to me. This builds value and trust, and can bring long term joy.

As always, your mileage may vary.

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:54:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		very very few "slaves" need to be broken
there are a few, like myself, who are SAM'S smart assed masochists, who deliberately provoke a dom or domme until their insolence  has to be 'broken " out of them .
wish i wasnt like that as it has resulted in some painful discipline but its not something i consciously do,have been like this since day i first realized i was born to be a submissive

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 8:56:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lilmiss0
I thank all thee for thou replies and I think I should clarify my position a little in relation to this matter. I  cannot explain why but in past I have desired that my Master 'break me.' Whilst I was unable to really identify or communicate what that meant for me, I felt it was a real need that I had, and still do have.


The term broken can be viewed as either "taming" a slave or "tearing them down emotionally and physically so that they can be rebuilt to the specifications of the Master".

You would do better to own the responsibility for yourself and your actions. Needing someone to "break" you is akin to saying that you are not mature enough to be responsible enough to control yourself....that you are incapable of correcting your behavior on your own and can only do so when under the influence of the force of another. A Master who believes that breaking is necessary is actually saying that he does not believe that slaves can be mature, responsible or capable.

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 9:09:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		  I do think there is a process that evolves between the Dom/sub, in which the sub learns to accept completely the control that her Master exerts over her or her life.  I think some may be referring to this as being "broken".   That is probably not the best choice of words. 

Sometimes a Dominant/Master has his work cut out for him in "breaking through" some walls that may be up around the sub/slave...those walls for example could be considered as "defenses" or "inhibitions".   I think its acceptable and even necessary to the relationship that the Master get inside the slave's head in order to cut through some of that.   What technique/method is used, is an individual style. The eventual result (imo) is a better level of obedience and acceptance, where the submissive begins to succumb to her Master with less inner conflict, less reservation.  Beyond these  "walls" that are broken down, there is the sub/slaves core (which is the self esteem, self-worth, and self-confidence, and the "spirit", as I call it), this should never be "broken" or fucked with.  (Just my take on it.)

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 9:21:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		When a so-called "Master" has no clue to the damage they are doing to the potential slave emotionally or physically.
One good example I can give is when a "slave" is sent someplace to have all emotions beat out of them so they are no longer even capable of having an orgasum, They are for all intentions just a piece of flesh. This is wrong on so many levels.
It is when a person in "power" takes advantage of someones infurmitys and uses them without regard for that persons self worth.
Its like training a horse for a saddle, there is a line between saddle breaking them and destroying their spirit.  
Every so-called "Master" has their own viewpoints on this I am sure.
,these are mine. The most important thing in a Master/slave coupling is the compatability of this viewpoint between both partys.
My slave's nicname is "lilpony", No we are not into pony play, She is like a wild little pony used to the open ranges running and playing free. She is now been captured and collared, But she always will have a good part of that free spirit and opinion in her and I encourage it. Do I value her thoughts and feelings? YES.
Would life be easier for me if she was more broken. perhaps, Is that what I want or need.. NO.Will the collar ever come off her neck. NO.


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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 9:40:03 AM   
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When is a Slave broken?


When you can finally throw away the newspaper.


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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 9:46:06 AM   
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quote:

I do think there is a process that evolves between the Dom/sub, in which the sub learns to accept completely the control that her Master exerts over her or her life.  I think some may be referring to this as being "broken".   That is probably not the best choice of words.

I agree with this and that the term "broken" is so vague that it naturally conjures up negative connotations. I'm not aware of terms that describe in a word or two that process you've outlined above, yet I think of it as breaking her resistance and turning "pieces" of herself over to me. As long as she keeps those pieces to herself, her submission is incomplete.

So it isn't about breaking her spirit or making her docile like a plowhorse; it is about getting her to open up completely. Until it happens, it seems like we're just going through the motions.

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RE: When is a Slave broken? - 6/13/2006 9:51:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		my Master has seen that i have ALREADY been broken.....broken in trust and broken in spirit (to a point).  His desire is to mold me....and to heal that which was broken.

indy subbie

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