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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
Why can't we allow for the same with Mods? They are NOT superhumans.

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The newbies are pretty much given full rein to say and do whatever they want, and the long term members are supposed to sit back and take it w/o a hint of snark

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
IIRC, there was an apology to DD.

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I am not immediately familiar with the other.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
Despite the apparent misconception, the Mods are VOLUNTEERS, who also have lives away from this site. I think that, given the amount of shit that the are expected to deal with, they usually do a pretty damned good job. Does soem of that shit slip through the cracks? yes. Do they deal with it WHEN REMINDED ABOUT IT? yes. That is not always going to be as fast as we, as posters, would like. But hey, I know that I personally, am not always able to get back to something I plan to as quickly as I had planned to because something (LIFE) gets in the way.

Why can't we allow for the same with Mods? They are NOT superhumans.

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
Despite the apparent misconception, the Mods are VOLUNTEERS, who also have lives away from this site. I think that, given the amount of shit that the are expected to deal with, they usually do a pretty damned good job. Does soem of that shit slip through the cracks? yes. Do they deal with it WHEN REMINDED ABOUT IT? yes. That is not always going to be as fast as we, as posters, would like. But hey, I know that I personally, am not always able to get back to something I plan to as quickly as I had planned to because something (LIFE) gets in the way.

Why can't we allow for the same with Mods? They are NOT superhumans.

It doesn't seem like it should require superhuman effort for the mods to be aware of personal attacks that have been reported multiple times. If they can't do as much as that, well, there's a problem.

Pam

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins



yes i know that, but it does happen that we are told not to talk about things on the open forum. instead we are supposed to mail the mods, open support tickets, and so on. i have been really surprised that these threads have been allowed to stay. when it was commented on in one of the other threads it was almost like we'd been granted a priviledge that we should be greatful for rather than actually it just being the right thing to do.

i do wonder that if it were not for the amount of complaints, and people saying they expect their threads to be pulled that they would go disappearing into the thread graveyard.

needles

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha
If you will do a search, you will see that threads about moderation abound, both good and bad, and span a long time period. As far as the thread graveyard, I just spent some time looking at the forums. There have been approximately 446 threads(Not including Humor, Creations, Marketplace, Link exchange, or the test area). I used threads that had an answer from 10/1 till now. I just looked and there have been 38 threads pulled since the first, 1 was in P & R, 2 were in off topic(one of those was a fetish about black socks, and the other was a user asking for humiliation) and 1 poll( started by a user that was going crazy reviving necro threads at that time), the rest were intros or professional services(and I didn't even count Professional Services in the new threads) . So, notwithstanding Professional Services or intros, there have been 4 pulled since the first. That's not even 1 percent of threads started. (Its actually like 8/10 of 1 percent). To quote a user, for some reason, there are some that decided to put a "spin" on the facts.

We are still at 7 posts for off topic/thread drift since March 22( again, to point out, when it was stated that I was in error for that statement, the pulls in question were not for off topic which is what was stated, but personal attacks).

For those that will voice doubts as to my statements, count the threads yourself on the main screen, that is what I did for new threads(that is also why I said the count was approximate) . As to the veracity of my statements, I would just not post a statement, rather than make a false one.

We try to stick to TOS and the owners intentions as closely as possible, while trying to make as many users happy on the forums as possible. We are human, I will not say that since personal judgement must be used in a lot of grey areas ( Ie, where a remark becomes a personal attack etc.), that sometimes our reasoning might not be obvious, but truly, we pull as little as possible. We are busy enough after all as it is, why would we intentionally make the job more involved?? ( That last comment was an attempt at tongue in cheek humor in case it didnt transfer).

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So we don't like it when people start threads just for the wank fodder, or begin the fifty-billionith thread whining about fin-doms, or ask for advice and then turn into twatwaffles and douchcanoes when they get answers they didn't expect. Frankly, I think we're perfectly capable of moderating ourselves most of the time.

I'm fairly sure some of my first posts were pretty douchey, they must have been, surely...

The difference being I didn't get all butthurt trying to argue I wasn't being a douchecanoe and instead, you know, reexamined at what I actually thought.


Sometimes ye need a wee bit of a bitch slap to keep you in line

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Alpha holds us to a pretty high professional standard. Most of the issues happen because members cannot be told certain things because of other member privacy, so they assume.

There are a number of people, on and off this thread, who claim that personal attacks made against them were allowed to remain. DeviantlyD and the "cunt" comment is just one example. How do you explain the fact that that comment was let stand for so long, and then quietly removed? VAA's explanation that the site only now became aware of it is hard to believe.

Why doesn't administration update TOS to reflect all the rules that are currently in use?

Pam

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha
If you will do a search, you will see that threads about moderation abound, both good and bad, and span a long time period. As far as the thread graveyard, I just spent some time looking at the forums. There have been approximately 446 threads(Not including Humor, Creations, Marketplace, Link exchange, or the test area). I used threads that had an answer from 10/1 till now. I just looked and there have been 38 threads pulled since the first, 1 was in P & R, 2 were in off topic(one of those was a fetish about black socks, and the other was a user asking for humiliation) and 1 poll( started by a user that was going crazy reviving necro threads at that time), the rest were intros or professional services(and I didn't even count Professional Services in the new threads) . So, notwithstanding Professional Services or intros, there have been 4 pulled since the first. That's not even 1 percent of threads started. (Its actually like 8/10 of 1 percent). To quote a user, for some reason, there are some that decided to put a "spin" on the facts.

We are still at 7 posts for off topic/thread drift since March 22( again, to point out, when it was stated that I was in error for that statement, the pulls in question were not for off topic which is what was stated, but personal attacks).

For those that will voice doubts as to my statements, count the threads yourself on the main screen, that is what I did for new threads(that is also why I said the count was approximate) . As to the veracity of my statements, I would just not post a statement, rather than make a false one.

We try to stick to TOS and the owners intentions as closely as possible, while trying to make as many users happy on the forums as possible. We are human, I will not say that since personal judgement must be used in a lot of grey areas ( Ie, where a remark becomes a personal attack etc.), that sometimes our reasoning might not be obvious, but truly, we pull as little as possible. We are busy enough after all as it is, why would we intentionally make the job more involved?? ( That last comment was an attempt at tongue in cheek humor in case it didnt transfer).

Before there is another misunderstanding about numbers, wasn't the highlighted above My personal tally or is that Needles' number as well? I don't think that's board wide, is it? If it's Mine, I'm confused as to why it's a part of this particular reply.

ETA - I still think the comment made on that thread over in Pol & Rel about how a personal attack can be determined would be more helpful if it were added to Admin Announcements. If that's a part of the complaint, wouldn't people having that info be constructive?

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Maybe it's just me but it seems to have calmed down in the last couple of weeks. I see a lot less "Calvinball" and more just sticking to TOS when deciding to pull stuff and write those lovely golden letters.
Let's hope it continues.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha
Again, you posted your golden letter. Those posts were not for off topic, they were for personal attack/baiting, so no, you are INCORRECT. Please read the off topic, which is what you are complaining about. Your pulls were not for off topic, they were for baiting another member. Quite different, since apparently, you in actuality want it on this side.

Edited to add : THAT IS BOARD WIDE. You do have a point about the personal attacks. I personally thought that any statement that starts with "You are" is visibly a personal attack, but you do have a point. At the time I made that statement, the personal attacks seemed to be a problem just in that forum, but I will see what I can do about getting the statement added where I can. Thanks for that suggestion, I will do what I can about it.

Second edit: I will be other places on the board and site, so even though I said this earlier in the thread, I am not planning on answering. I just saw what I thought were misconceptions and wanted to straighten them out. I am saying this before any replies so noone thinks I am evading answering.

That wasn't a complaint. That was a question. My punctuation sucks, but I'm usually good with question marks.

As for the rest, believe it or not, I am trying to be constructive at this point. Like Hill, I actually have thought there was an improvement in the last couple of weeks. Believe it or not, I even wrote a Mod to say that I thought a particular approach on one thread was a really positive thing. I'd actually be kind of surprised if I had been the only one who noticed that particular instance because it was a really good example.

Thank you for saying the suggestion was a positive one. So far, it's the only one that I've come up with personally that is both constructive and manageable. I had actually thought the "Train Wreck" concept was a good idea. You know, a place to put our smart ass remarks that would be acceptable, rather than being blatantly obvious when being, well....... A smart ass. I get why, from the other side it doesn't necessarily work, but sometimes a good joke is a good joke. (Believe it or not, Chi even told one the other day. <Gasp>)

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I'm glad everyone seems happier,, and not trying to bring back up, BUT I FUCKED UP. It should have been September 22 for off topic having 7 pulled not March 22. SOWWWY!!!!!!! Have a wondrous day people, going to see what else I can fuck up (dammit) :)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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I'm glad everyone seems happier,, and not trying to bring back up, BUT I FUCKED UP. It should have been September 22 for off topic having 7 pulled not March 22. SOWWWY!!!!!!! Have a wondrous day people, going to see what else I can fuck up (dammit) :)

Now, for what it's worth, and I am *not* attempting to capitalize on a mistake.......

If I am not mistaken, that incorrect comment is on a few threads. It should be corrected on each. Especially since the campaign to reprint it on various boards was rather obvious.