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Thoughts on moderation

Moderation is consistently too lenient.

1% (1)

Moderation is consistently too strict.

4% (4)

Moderation is inconsistent.

26% (25)

" " (reported) personal attacks are allowed to remain.

6% (6)

The problem is they pull or leave posts for reasons besides TOS.

13% (13)

The problem is not allowing helpful or funny off topic comments.

7% (7)

The problem is that the site has a hidden agenda.

4% (4)

Administration is honest about why they pull or leave posts.

2% (2)

Administration is dishonest about why they pull or leave posts.

5% (5)

I don't have any major problems with moderation.

28% (27)

Total Votes : 94

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 3:17:13 PM

LadyPact

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I'm sorry, kalik, but I disproved that last quote from the thread that it came from. In fact, My last comment removed was SEPTEMBER 22. I know this was an honest mistake on the reprint part, however, that incorrect quote has been used on four different threads now.

I'll be happy to verify.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 3:25:19 PM

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You appear to be talking about all violations but Alpha only discussed Off Topic in the post I quoted and her follow up post:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4252033

quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

Then why post it here? You are correct, we should do this on the other side. My statement stands:

In the last week, ONLY 7 posts(not including P & R) from ALL USERS have been pulled for being off topic, and NONE were thread drift, You personally have not had a post removed for off topic since March 22, yet there have been a plethora of posts in the last few days of you saying that you were going to have comments pulled for off topic. I'm puzzled truly. Amazingly, none of the posters that had those 7 posts pulled are the ones that are talking about too many posts being pulled for off topic at this moment.

That was not pulled for off topic. The rest needs to be done in private. I am only answering this since you posted your own golden letter here. I never addressed anything but OFF TOPIC, and only replied to you because was to something specific.

To Cryptic, see I am letting ALL your off topic comments stay.,I will make my thread concerning the above subjects at a later date and will not be answering about this subject on this thread

To everyone else, I DO care what you think about this and that is why the CM Team is getting together so that everyone, users and my moderators are on the same page.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 3:43:29 PM

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Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 3:48:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 3:58:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

What do you think about moderation?

I think the mods have a tough job. Not only do they have the TOS to consider but the intention or motivation of the poster in context of both the thread and the post. I've never gotten a gold letter (that is NOT an invite to send me one btw) but I did have a post pulled many, many moons ago. Personally, I don't mind if my slips are left alone because I'm pretty good at seeing for myself when I fuck up and when I do, I own that, apologize if I feel I 'should' whether or not anyone else feels I should.

When domiguy was around he used the word 'cunt' repeatedly in almost every post when he first got here. It was done with humor and wink and only towards those who seemed not to mind. When someone calls someone a dumb cunt because it's malicious and intended to be hurtful what is it but a judgement call as to whether or not it's a personal attack other than the context in which it's done.

I do believe things have been inconsistent when the context is blocks of time. Mod 11 was pretty heavy handed, then she/he? left and the rainbow sock puppets got here and for that block of time their version of anarchy reigned and it seemed there was little to no moderation at all. Things seem to be coming to a more balanced place and I hope that trend continues so that we, the end users, can continue to have our fun, poke the bear on occasion and still have the opportunity to educate and be educated.

I think there is room for pretty much any and all opinions to be put forth, that most of the folks here are adults and keep their own noses clean and that there could be some changes implemented which would be of benefit to the site and the end user without too much truble.

If this were my site, I'd get rid of the Gorean forum because it's philosophy specific. I understand there was once a need for it. I saw first hand the head butting and chest thumping which took place between Goreans and non-Goreans, but I think that time is passed. The site has grown as have the people with it (for the most part). That forum could be turned into one dedicated to gifs (if it doesn't fuck with the software.. I have no idea and just throwing stuff out there as example) or something that is more useful to more people.

The switch forum has never been that popular either (and this is coming from a switch!) and also verges on the edge of extinction. Philosophy has a place now in P&R and the special Gorean treatment.. well, I don't get it but it's not my site. I think a TNG forum might be much more helpful where the old farts like me who believe in pay it forward could do that and help build up some realistic and solid foundations for people who are newly. Where the object is not to keep it to ask a Master or a Mistress or a switch .. but rather just, I don't know.. ask a Question maybe.. of any sort. It wouldn't necessary have to be BDSM related, more like a .. this is life forum and your life is new, so here's what I've learned and maybe my fuck ups will help YOU not to make them. That sort of thing.

Over all, I'm here and I'm hopeful and I try to be the change i want to see in the world by doing what I think is right to the standards that are important to me and even more, to Himself. If I can't do that here, I'm gonna do it somewhere.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 3:58:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

Well yes, because being secretive can lead to wrong conclusions. I for one am an adult, I don't want to whisper behind backs or speculate. I just want to know what's up. That way I don't need to waste energy if it's nothing that is significant in the end. I hate having misconceptions, I'd just like the facts, Maam.

I don't have a horse in this race either, but it's weird how this topic is floating around on the periphery, and people like Pam are putting forth a good faith effort to put to rights, and it's not going anywhere because of the selective information going about in different circles. I suppose it's just to be waited out.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:07:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

It depends on perception, needles.

Really, any email correspondence that I received from a Mod should have been left to the other side, where it belonged. I'd have been nailed to a board had I printed any other email to the public forum around here, so had they put Me on [Awaiting Approval] for that, I'd have had to agree. In that, they would have had Me on a technicality and at the core of it, I couldn't argue.

I should have given them the respect as individuals, even though we are talking about a form letter, as I would have asked them to give Me. I fucked that up and I apologize for allowing Myself to think in abstract terms on the subject.

But I think that's what a lot of the posters want as well. Respect, or at least courtesy as individuals. I even created a post that was very misunderstood, because if the era of talking to people, and not the topic was going to reign, I'm really not going to fit in around here anymore. Just like I'm talking to you, needles. The way I've pretty much talked to everyone. There are signs that type of style is not such a good thing any more

What that thread meant, was that, yeah, I'm going to talk to each individual as a person, because people are more important than topics. To Me, anyway.

When have you guys ever known Me to say only what was popular? Some people that I thought I knew forgot that.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:18:46 PM

needlesandpins

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

Well yes, because being secretive can lead to wrong conclusions. I for one am an adult, I don't want to whisper behind backs or speculate. I just want to know what's up. That way I don't need to waste energy if it's nothing that is significant in the end. I hate having misconceptions, I'd just like the facts, Maam.

I don't have a horse in this race either, but it's weird how this topic is floating around on the periphery, and people like Pam are putting forth a good faith effort to put to rights, and it's not going anywhere because of the selective information going about in different circles. I suppose it's just to be waited out.

agreed.

i don't really have an axe to grind as such either. i've only ever had one golden letter about my actual attitude to a poster, which i thought i was justified in actually. i've had posts pulled because they are in answer to other posts being pulled, and since the first time it happened, and i complained at not having an explaination, i have been told why the post has gone.

however, from what i see of threads, and the way stuff is pulled, i can see why others are complaining. i don't agree that a whole post should be pulled when only a little part of it relates to another pulled post. then again, i think most stuff should be left because we are adults on an adult forum.

needles

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:20:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

Actually, it was LadyPact who requested it become private:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4252031

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If we're gonna dance, we should dance on the other side.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:27:13 PM

doctorgrey

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horses
dogs
axes
dances

quite a few euphamisms are used to describe our levels of involvement or interest in this topic aren't they?
just saying, like.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:29:47 PM

needlesandpins

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

It depends on perception, needles.

Really, any email correspondence that I received from a Mod should have been left to the other side, where it belonged. I'd have been nailed to a board had I printed any other email to the public forum around here, so had they put Me on [Awaiting Approval] for that, I'd have had to agree. In that, they would have had Me on a technicality and at the core of it, I couldn't argue.

I should have given them the respect as individuals, even though we are talking about a form letter, as I would have asked them to give Me. I fucked that up and I apologize for allowing Myself to think in abstract terms on the subject.

But I think that's what a lot of the posters want as well. Respect, or at least courtesy as individuals. I even created a post that was very misunderstood, because if the era of talking to people, and not the topic was going to reign, I'm really not going to fit in around here anymore. Just like I'm talking to you, needles. The way I've pretty much talked to everyone. There are signs that type of style is not such a good thing any more

What that thread meant, was that, yeah, I'm going to talk to each individual as a person, because people are more important than topics. To Me, anyway.

When have you guys ever known Me to say only what was popular? Some people that I thought I knew forgot that.

i think i understand what you mean LP. however, i do also think there are times where reporting/support tickets fail on some level, so when people bring it into the forum to basically call out the mods/admin it should stay there. it's no good them ignoring things on the other side, but then insisting it be kept private when called out in public.....for whatever reason.

i'm like you in that i speak to individuals too. i'm not sure how that can not be a good thing. if we were to be in a group of people having a discussion then i'm sure that were you, and i to speak just to each other for a moment then others in the group would either listen to us, or ignore us and carry on talking around us. that is how i see that it should work on here too. hence i will carry on doing what i have always done. people in this thread can either read us two speaking to each other, or gloss over us and carry on with what they want to say. i see nothing wrong in that.

i personally have never seen anything wrong with the way you are in here, fwiw.

needles

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:31:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

Actually, it was LadyPact who requested it become private:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4252031

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If we're gonna dance, we should dance on the other side.

Yes, and I have My reasons for that, too.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:35:04 PM

VideoAdminAlpha

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm sorry, kalik, but I disproved that last quote from the thread that it came from. In fact, My last comment removed was SEPTEMBER 22. I know this was an honest mistake on the reprint part, however, that incorrect quote has been used on four different threads now.

I'll be happy to verify.

You posted your letter. The last removal was for BAITING/ FLAMING, not off topic. The rest will be in private

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:36:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

Actually, it was LadyPact who requested it become private:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4252031

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If we're gonna dance, we should dance on the other side.

yes i know that, but it does happen that we are told not to talk about things on the open forum. instead we are supposed to mail the mods, open support tickets, and so on. i have been really surprised that these threads have been allowed to stay. when it was commented on in one of the other threads it was almost like we'd been granted a priviledge that we should be greatful for rather than actually it just being the right thing to do.

i do wonder that if it were not for the amount of complaints, and people saying they expect their threads to be pulled that they would go disappearing into the thread graveyard.

needles

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:37:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

The reason it was asked to be in private is because it involves a disciplinary action against LP. Since she is still making it sound as if I was incorrect in my statement, I still stand by it. Her remarks about being afraid that her comments would be pulled due to OFF TOPIC make no sense, because her last OFF TOPIC removal WAS March 22.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:40:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

The reason it was asked to be in private is because it involves a disciplinary action against LP. Since she is still making it sound as if I was incorrect in my statement, I still stand by it. Her remarks about being afraid that her comments would be pulled due to OFF TOPIC make no sense, because her last OFF TOPIC removal WAS March 22.

my comment was general, not about LP's specific thread. it was about what I don't like being told, or seeing others being told when they obviously want to talk about it in the open.

needles

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:52:03 PM

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So to re-iterate:

This thread is about the principles and practice of moderation.
Plus the amount of freedom called for and expected in discussion amongst adults, as adults in an open forum.
Not the re-hashing or autopsy of specific and on-going issues amongst various protagonists on these boards.
Am I right?

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:53:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, the request was made that such things be discussed in private. I must respect that.

that is one of the things i'm not sure i'm a fan of LP; being told that i have to keep something behind the scenes that i may actually want to discuss openly so that others can see how it goes.

needles

Actually, it was LadyPact who requested it become private:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4252031

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If we're gonna dance, we should dance on the other side.

yes i know that, but it does happen that we are told not to talk about things on the open forum. instead we are supposed to mail the mods, open support tickets, and so on. i have been really surprised that these threads have been allowed to stay. when it was commented on in one of the other threads it was almost like we'd been granted a priviledge that we should be greatful for rather than actually it just being the right thing to do.

i do wonder that if it were not for the amount of complaints, and people saying they expect their threads to be pulled that they would go disappearing into the thread graveyard.

needles

This is the last time Im going to comment on this thread, and should have an answer about offtopic/thread drift in the next day or so, btw, BUT, if you have been here a poster any length of time you will see all types of threads on the moderation of this site, both good and bad. They have never been pulled. (Use the search feature please, it will show that). It appears (and Im not objective but for what its worth), that a very small group of posters, WHO HAVE NEVER COMPLAINED before, are complaining, mostly, about moderation, when, in fact, they have never been posters that even receive golden letters on a regular basis, unlike some other posters. I'm not sure why, but they are vehemently protesting, the tone of almost all of their posts have changed overnight, and some of the things they are complaining about are in actuality, inaccurate. I have no reason to lie about the number of posts pulled due to off topic, if I did not want the number known, I just would not have replied. It appears though, that the few that had the problems has morphed, so I will include other types of moderation when I post about off topic/thread drift. That is all that I can say at the moment, and will be as complete as I can be when I make the post about thread drift/pff topic that I am able to be about all areas of moderation. It will be on a seperate thread and not in any of these, and hope it will be in the next couple of days.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:54:16 PM

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I think it's about the sheer bloody mindedness that keeps people discussing the weather, sporting events, and all manner of things that are beyond their control.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:55:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

What do you think about moderation?

I don't much think about it at all, actually.

I've said before that pages of casual banter on threads annoy me, but not so much as to make a stink about it. A very long time ago I had one post pulled for being "off topic" - it was a semi-snarky remark to a dude who was going from thread to thread criticizing people. I thought it was strange how lots and lots of other singular off topic and snarky posts remained in thread after thread, and my one offense was pulled. It irritated me but I figured I could get over it and keep having fun here, or sit here irritated all by myself. I chose the former.

I used to report some of the posts I felt were over-the-top insulting. A lot. Sometimes I would receive responses, sometimes I wouldn't. And then the sock family arrived and I can't tell you the number of times I was called a cunt, told to fuck off, and a barrage of other things (egged on by those who loved them, btw), which were allowed to remain (and yes, reported). And then the doozy: When the creator of the sock drawer told me I should have been aborted. Reported and allowed to remain. I never reported a post again. I figured what's the point. And yeah, I was pretty pissed off then, disgusted with moderation and disgusted with those who thought they "spiced up the boards".

But now? Meh. Maybe I just don't pay much attention. It's better now than it was with the sock family and their audience, and I can deal with the threads that turn into dom love-fests, or chatter about recipes, and so on. I exit out and go to the next post. If thread drift naturally evolves into a similar (BDSM-related) topic, I'm cool with that. When it turns into something else, I appreciate the moderation.

So yeah, there are plusses and minuses to the moderation here, and I can't say I understand the current issue with the site's moderation, but then I'm not here very much and I don't read the majority of the threads. So I really don't have an opinion on its current state.

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