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Thoughts on moderation

Moderation is consistently too lenient.

1% (1)

Moderation is consistently too strict.

4% (4)

Moderation is inconsistent.

26% (25)

" " (reported) personal attacks are allowed to remain.

6% (6)

The problem is they pull or leave posts for reasons besides TOS.

13% (13)

The problem is not allowing helpful or funny off topic comments.

7% (7)

The problem is that the site has a hidden agenda.

4% (4)

Administration is honest about why they pull or leave posts.

2% (2)

Administration is dishonest about why they pull or leave posts.

5% (5)

I don't have any major problems with moderation.

28% (27)

Total Votes : 94

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 4:56:08 PM

punisher440

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Let me get this straight in my mind LadyPact.You get a gold letter for baiting/personal attack and you want to say it was pulled as a off topic? .And it looks like you wanted to take it private first.When Alpha again stated it was not pulled for off topic,you still choose to say it was pulled for being off topic? I admit I have messed up in the past and own up to mine,isn't it time you admitted you might have been mistaken on this subject? I for one think the Mods have to deal with enough crap on a daily basis that adding to it all with all the mod bashing has to make it more difficult for them. False accusations seem to abound here.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 5:04:44 PM

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 5:14:44 PM

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Let me get this straight in my mind LadyPact.You get a gold letter for baiting/personal attack and you want to say it was pulled as a off topic? .And it looks like you wanted to take it private first.When Alpha again stated it was not pulled for off topic,you still choose to say it was pulled for being off topic? I admit I have messed up in the past and own up to mine,isn't it time you admitted you might have been mistaken on this subject? I for one think the Mods have to deal with enough crap on a daily basis that adding to it all with all the mod bashing has to make it more difficult for them. False accusations seem to abound here.

Did you happen to read post twenty-seven? Perhaps certain folks have *not* learned their lesson about reading the whole thread?

Unlike others, I most certainly *have* apologized for mistakes. Oh, you can be damn sure it's not about certain topic, such as..... Well, let Me think to threads past, where I WASN'T wrong, but certain folks hold grudges against the truth as I see it to this day.

Oh, and for the record, I didn't bash a single Mod. I'd still invite any of them to sit at My dinner table, have conversation, and settle our differences.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 5:16:54 PM

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 5:22:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI

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One mouthful lasts a lonnng time

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 5:37:51 PM

CRYPTICLXVI

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quote:

ORIGINAL: doctorgrey

quote:

ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI

Insert bunny eating popcorn here.

One mouthful lasts a lonnng time

DrG

Yes, yes it does...
I have been a poster who has had several posts pulled. I choose to stay in "Casual Banter" most of the time now, I sorta enjoy the basement anyway, heat rises you know. One of the reasons I had posts pulled was because of difference in opinion as to whether my responses to certain posts in the "Introduction" section was appropriate or not. Shrug, okay.

The second issue was involving animated gifs, again, shrug. I opposed this decision, thought that the initial reasons were bunk, and had several other posters agree. I did move away from "flashing animated gifs" because several people pointed out that they were physically irritated by them, okay. I still like animated gifs... and had fun with them in "Train Wreck", especially in dueling good naturedly with a certain kilt wearing poster. Still, okay, shrugs.

The third issue was having posts pulled as "Off Topic" when I chose to reply using visual imagery. That one led to a lengthy exchange with the moderator involved regarding the aesthetic reasoning behind my decision to post like that. I was introduced years ago to the concept of appropriation, and using it as a response in online discussions was a medium that I chose to utilize. I also argued about the intent behind "Off Topic", drift and the intent behind actually derailing or hijacking a thread.

I personally believe that this forum is changing, growing and evolving... and that some people are uncomfortable with that and that the Mods also are uncomfortable with that. Some of the changes are positive, some are negative and some are just changing... but this is a discussion forum, not a medium transferring doctrine, there will be change. There will be change in perspectives, people involving themselves here, and there will potentially, from necessity be a change in the rules.

When it has been decided that those rules have changed, I agree with another poster in another thread who stated that those rules should be quantified and placed in a place where they can be identified by everyone involved. Probably that neat little section at the top of the discussion board.

That is about it... a somewhat sincere post, not a single profanity and not a single image and my head hasn't exploded from the effort.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 5:44:17 PM

Rule

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FR

Moderation: It is what it is.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 5:50:48 PM

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I think the Mods should all reread the TOS and stick to it.

If it isn't written in TOS, it isn't a rule.
If a post doesnt violate a rule, leave it alone.
Just because someone whines to the Mods doesn't mean a rule was broken. Maybe that person is just a whiny little bitch.

What we have had for the last 6 weeks or so is "Moderation Calvinball"

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 9/30/2012 5:51:59 PM >

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 6:08:09 PM

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 6:25:35 PM

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Just because someone whines to the Mods doesn't mean a rule was broken. Maybe that person is just a whiny little bitch.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 6:54:23 PM

Arturas

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Unlike others, I most certainly *have* apologized for mistakes. Oh, you can be damn sure it's not about certain topic, such as..... Well, let Me think to threads past, where I WASN'T wrong, but certain folks hold grudges against the truth as I see it to this day.

Greetings LP,

Well then, you've kept me waiting my an apology from you. We had about six posts pulled in the middle of a thread simply because you decided to jump in there and flame me by suggesting Lord Mercury of the Mark thought ill of me, which was a bait and offtopic pull, requireing me to publically tell the story of how I actually became a member of the Mark at Lord Mercury's instruction after he spent several hours watching I and Star play at the Mark on a quest visit. The whole drama was pulling the thread off topic simply for your jollies and then from my viewpoint when it did not go your way it suddenly went "poof" and the entire conversation was gone. What, did you call in the moderators yourself (or one of your buddies here) on your own flame and bait effort to remove that disaster for you?

Arturas

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 7:05:59 PM

ResidentSadist

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I think the mods are human.
I think the TOS is for the benefit of keeping the forum legal, online, lawsuit free, flame free, constructive and informative.
I think we are better off with the TOS and moderation we have than if it were changed radically.
I think that with a great deal of effort, both the TOS and moderation policies could possibly improve.
I think the work involved to make that improvement is far, far beyond the pay scale the mods currently get (they're volunteers).

I am thankful for the work they do. I willing accept the few posts I have had pulled because their interpretation of the TOS is different than mine. No big deal. I sincerely feel the forums are much better off with the human intervention of the moderators, even when I disagree with them.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 7:07:43 PM

cloudboy

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The job of any adult is to learn the rules and play by them. I think the moderation here has improved, but I'm also much less interested in the CMMB.

No moderators have called me into the principal's office here in years. The last two times I had posts pulled were for (1) a copyright issue and (2) citing an outside link to impeach another poster here who has high status. I thought pulling #2 was a mistake, but I have lower status on the totem pole and accept that. I think the high status person complained to the MODs and got her way, because the outside link made her look bad. This happened years ago.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 7:17:56 PM

littlewonder

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Here's the thing and a quick and easy fix.

If rules change on collarme/collarchat, a letter needs to be emailed to every single person's collarme mail saying something like "We are notifying you as a devoted member to our site, that there have been changes to the TOS that will make our site run smoother. Please refer to the link below for the changes. We thank you for your patience and understanding".

I mean I get these kinds of letters in my email all the time from amazon, paypal, my bank, my electric company, etc....so why not do that here?

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 7:20:18 PM

LaTigresse

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Dear Arty,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I think the Mods should all reread the TOS and stick to it.

If it isn't written in TOS, it isn't a rule.
If a post doesnt violate a rule, leave it alone.
Just because someone whines to the Mods doesn't mean a rule was broken. Maybe that person is just a whiny little bitch.

What we have had for the last 6 weeks or so is "Moderation Calvinball"

I do see some small resemblance here.

LaT

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 7:24:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

quote:

Unlike others, I most certainly *have* apologized for mistakes. Oh, you can be damn sure it's not about certain topic, such as..... Well, let Me think to threads past, where I WASN'T wrong, but certain folks hold grudges against the truth as I see it to this day.

Greetings LP,

Well then, you've kept me waiting my an apology from you. We had about six posts pulled in the middle of a thread simply because you decided to jump in there and flame me by suggesting Lord Mercury of the Mark thought ill of me, which was a bait and offtopic pull, requireing me to publically tell the story of how I actually became a member of the Mark at Lord Mercury's instruction after he spent several hours watching I and Star play at the Mark on a quest visit. The whole drama was pulling the thread off topic simply for your jollies and then from my viewpoint when it did not go your way it suddenly went "poof" and the entire conversation was gone. What, did you call in the moderators yourself (or one of your buddies here) on your own flame and bait effort to remove that disaster for you?

Arturas

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This is much more involved than just posting the gif I tell ya...

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 9:27:22 PM

VideoAdminGamma

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Think I will borrow a quote from you cloudboy, unless you object.

Thanks,
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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 9/30/2012 10:28:58 PM

LadyPact

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

quote:

Unlike others, I most certainly *have* apologized for mistakes. Oh, you can be damn sure it's not about certain topic, such as..... Well, let Me think to threads past, where I WASN'T wrong, but certain folks hold grudges against the truth as I see it to this day.

Greetings LP,

Well then, you've kept me waiting my an apology from you. We had about six posts pulled in the middle of a thread simply because you decided to jump in there and flame me by suggesting Lord Mercury of the Mark thought ill of me, which was a bait and offtopic pull, requireing me to publically tell the story of how I actually became a member of the Mark at Lord Mercury's instruction after he spent several hours watching I and Star play at the Mark on a quest visit. The whole drama was pulling the thread off topic simply for your jollies and then from my viewpoint when it did not go your way it suddenly went "poof" and the entire conversation was gone. What, did you call in the moderators yourself (or one of your buddies here) on your own flame and bait effort to remove that disaster for you?

Arturas

Well, Art, (and by no ways or means am I going to apologize for shortening your screen name and calling you Art) you're not going to get an apology from Me on that one. See, that little nugget was told to Me by a dear friend in the Atlanta area. Since you're so <cough> well established there, <cough> go look up the name of the gent who has worked intimately with the owner of said establishment regarding DM training. Next time he's in TN as a presenter, why don't you ask him, yourself.

I don't know why this surprises you. That things are what they are, do not blame Me. I would think, Art, that any man worth his salt would know whether or not people respect him, and if they do not, recognize why he has been made a fool. I could accuse you of being misguided. Not completely blind or stupid. If you do not see what is all around you, that is not My fault.

I do notice that you have been frequenting P&R. In all sincerity, I wish you well in that endeavor. I would hope that you are engaging in stimulating conversation.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 10/1/2012 12:49:52 AM

gungadin09

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi
...there seems to be some major unrest over discerning what the 'rules' are and how they are handled since the lines on them seem fluid...

I agree.

What I got from the poll was: the majority of posters are content with moderation. Most of those that aren't believe that moderation is inconsistent, citing "pulling posts for reasons besides TOS" as the biggest problem.

I think that's fair.

I would guess if moderation is inconsistent it's because there are a lot of new moderators. Mistakes are part of the learning process, and I doubt much can be done about that.

However, I agree that the biggest problem is pulling posts for reasons besides TOS. I know I've had one post pulled within the last few months for a reason that had nothing to do with TOS. It didn't bother me much, but then I don't post that much anymore, and I tend to stick to casual banter. If it happened more often, I would begin to get upset.

When was the last time TOS was updated? Can the unofficial rules that are now being enforced be written down so that everybody knows about them? Or at least the mods could start a thread: updates to TOS, listing things like not mentioning posters who are no longer here, or not posting animated pictures, etc.?

It also seems to me there's a lot of residual resentment that may have nothing to do with moderation now.

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RE: Thoughts on moderation - 10/1/2012 1:02:31 AM

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Benjamin felt a nose nuzzling at his shoulder. He looked round. It was Clover. Her old eyes looked dimmer than ever. Without saying anything, she tugged gently at his mane and led him round to the end of the big barn, where the Seven Commandments were written. For a minute or two they stood gazing at the tatted wall with its white lettering.

"My sight is failing," she said finally. "Even when I was young I could not have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin?"

For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single Commandment. It ran:
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

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