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I believe that some people just dont give a fuck.

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It aint going up, past performance is no indicator of future results.  its at 63%.   Now in innumeracy math as practiced by the republicans, that would be Romneys 47% that are missing out, right? 

And, yet, the trend still points to increased penetration.
Your response has all the depth and power of "Unh Unh."

And yours is less than useful.  Look at VCRs.

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Lucas County essentially has a branch in every 'burb, and several in the city. It would be a rare thing for someone to not be within a few minute's drive to one.

Drive? You believe everyone has an automobile?
Pittsburgh is losing bus routes every three months due to cut backs.
There are many communities with children that have no access to public libraries.

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Lucas County essentially has a branch in every 'burb, and several in the city. It would be a rare thing for someone to not be within a few minute's drive to one.

Drive? You believe everyone has an automobile?
Pittsburgh is losing bus routes every three months due to cut backs.
There are many communities with children that have no access to public libraries.

Source?

And, again, there has yet to be any credible reason shown why broadband is a necessity.

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Lucas County essentially has a branch in every 'burb, and several in the city. It would be a rare thing for someone to not be within a few minute's drive to one.

Drive? You believe everyone has an automobile?
Pittsburgh is losing bus routes every three months due to cut backs.
There are many communities with children that have no access to public libraries.

Source?
And, again, there has yet to be any credible reason shown why broadband is a necessity.

Oh ffs.. source for where I live.
PITTSBURGH —
The Port Authority Board of Directors approved a $333 million budget on Friday that will include the largest bus and trolley service cuts ever, to help cover a projected $64 million deficit.
The new plan takes effect on Sept. 2 with the elimination of 46 routes -- including most express or "flyer" buses that serve suburbs -- as part of an overall 35 percent service reduction.
Riders whose routes are still running will pay more. Starting on July 1, a fare increase will bring the Zone 1 fare up to $2.50 and the Zone 2 fare to $3.75.
The Port Authority said 100 municipalities or neighborhoods will have no bus service at all under the new plan.
Read more: http://www.wtae.com/news/local/allegheny/Port-Authority-To-Cut-Many-More-Routes-Raise-Fares/-/10927008/12281686/-/rt5786z/-/index.html#ixzz28taVAuMw
The cutbacks, while expected, add up to a $1.2 million shortfall in next year's library revenues, Ms. Mistick said. That amount represents a little more than 5 percent of the library's 2009 operating budget of $23.3 million.
The deficit prompted the library's board of trustees last week to close four branches, merge two, eliminate 30 positions and cut operating hours by 28 percent systemwide. The changes will begin Jan. 2.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/bad-year-for-pittsburghs-libraries-with-cuts-and-closings-361595/#ixzz28tbGEB9Z

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Access to infomation. Nice lines but if you look at your bb and cable they stop basically same spot.
how much money do you figure poor people have? buck twenty to spend every month on cable? ya kiddin. Kid lives miles from a library...he is going to access that how on a daily basis. Besides libraries have time limits on using the computers. If you are researching how mlk and malcolm differed in economic policy then that is gonna take a bit more than 30 minutes.
Need to give your head a shake and go see how real people live man...

Yes, BB and cable end near the same place, but bb is still going up, isn't it? Yeah, thought so.
Lucas County essentially has a branch in every 'burb, and several in the city. It would be a rare thing for someone to not be within a few minute's drive to one.
Are you going to go to the lowest common denominator, next? How much are cell phones? 90% penetration. Does that mean we only have 10% poor people? Actually, that doesn't. My parents don't have cell phones. That's their choice. And, it really hampers getting hold of them some times. But, that is made out of choice, not out of necessity. If someone is too poor to have internet access, but has a phone, that's a choice that was made by them. I'm not happy they had to choose one and not both, but it was still a choice they made.
Get real, man. This stuff is ridiculous you're spouting now.

Not sure where you are going. I am talking about education of kids. Their lack of the proper equipment to have a chance at gaining the same knowledge that a child that has access. Are you saying Electronic Technology doesn't drive our lives today? A child today that doesn't come out of High School with good Computer skills cannot attend Engineering school. They aren't lacking in knowledge they are just lacking in the ability to be able to do the next level course work. The critical piece is the k-5 grades. Most inner city and rural schools don't have the facilities to match what is needed.

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There isn't any overall governing body looking out after the vast efforts of the charities that we have today. United Way coordinates some but for the most part charities are left to their own devices on spreading the care they want to give. Government, gives that guidance. That is what it is for. Now, I know you don't like it but there isn't any other way to get to where we need to be without it.

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Go to U of Toledo Engineering school and let me know how many of the students you see are packing laptops or tablets.......then you will understand why broadband at an early age is important in life today and tomorrow.

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So, Pittsburgh had to close 5 libraries, out of 24. Did they only close those in the "poor" neighborhoods? My boys don't live within walking distance of a library, and I never did, growing up. The only library in the area I grew up in was in the middle of downtown (damn cool building, though; opened in 1901). Those are choices that are made.

What's interesting in all this is that I actually have no problem with my local public library system and regularly vote in favor of levy renewals/replacements. Crazy, huh?

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So, Pittsburgh had to close 5 libraries, out of 24. Did they only close those in the "poor" neighborhoods? My boys don't live within walking distance of a library, and I never did, growing up. The only library in the area I grew up in was in the middle of downtown (damn cool building, though; opened in 1901). Those are choices that are made.
What's interesting in all this is that I actually have no problem with my local public library system and regularly vote in favor of levy renewals/replacements. Crazy, huh?

And we didnt have internet.
Your point is pointless.
100 neighborhoods and communities with no bus service
Here is the message you are sending out.
Parents should live within their means, provide the best education for their children so we can pass those tests to prove how much better we are than the rest of the world, and they should do all this on their own, regardless of income or health issues.

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Why did 100 neighborhoods and communities not have bus service? Who's choice was that? What neighborhoods and communities still have bus service? Of those 100 neighborhoods and communities, how many of them even want the bus service?

Parents should live within their means. Absolutely. Do you disagree?

Parents should provide for their kid(s)'s education. Not necessarily "the best" educations. My kids don't even get "the best" education. They'll have to suffer through public schooling (as did myself and my 3 siblings).

Personally, I don't care much about where we stack up against the rest of the world. Is it important? Yeah, but it's not the end-all be-all. I'd rather have educated Citizens with critical thinking skills that are well-rounded in the hard and soft sciences. Do I care that we aren't at the top? No. Do I care that we aren't near the top? Yeah. Dumping more and more money into public schools isn't going to solve the problem, though. If a kid can't learn from a dry erase board, is he/she really going to learn through a smartboard?

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Source? Stiglitz has written about it. New book out trying to refute Affirmative Action called Mismatch(Richard Sander/Stuart Taylor) that basically says minorities and poor whites shouldn't be allowed in "better" schools based on failure rates.
I am not putting the onus on the schools. It isn't that. I am saying when those kids go home they aren't as apt as your kids to do time on the computer.

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All I am saying is if we aren't willing to address those sorts of differences then our outcomes are going to be further and further divided. As Stiglitz says a unbalanced economy can't and won't be stable.

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Finally, the last statement is exactly the reason why charities can't and won't fill the needs gap in this country.

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Why did 100 neighborhoods and communities not have bus service? Who's choice was that? What neighborhoods and communities still have bus service? Of those 100 neighborhoods and communities, how many of them even want the bus service?
Parents should live within their means. Absolutely. Do you disagree?
Parents should provide for their kid(s)'s education. Not necessarily "the best" educations. My kids don't even get "the best" education. They'll have to suffer through public schooling (as did myself and my 3 siblings).
Personally, I don't care much about where we stack up against the rest of the world. Is it important? Yeah, but it's not the end-all be-all. I'd rather have educated Citizens with critical thinking skills that are well-rounded in the hard and soft sciences. Do I care that we aren't at the top? No. Do I care that we aren't near the top? Yeah. Dumping more and more money into public schools isn't going to solve the problem, though. If a kid can't learn from a dry erase board, is he/she really going to learn through a smartboard?

LOL
Why? you are kidding me right? Like it was their choice?

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Oh ffs... quit while you are ahead.

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These people did nto ask to lose bus service.
They paid their fares like everyone else.
The city and state made cuts without their input.
End of story.
You lost this argument.

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Kids are without access to the internet who cannot afford it at home.

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Over time, internet users have become more likely to note big improvements in their ability to shop and the way they pursue their hobbies and interests. A majority of internet users also consistently report that the internet helps them to do their job and improves the way the get information about health care.

While the share of internet users who report positive impacts has grown, the sheer size of the internet population also continues to increase. Surveys fielded in 2006 show that internet penetration among adults in the U.S. has hit an all-time high. While the percentage of Americans who say they use the internet has continued to fluctuate slightly, our latest survey, fielded February 15 – April 6, 2006 shows that fully 73% of respondents (about 147 million adults) are internet users, up from 66% (about 133 million adults) in our January 2005 survey. And the share of Americans who have broadband connections at home has now reached 42% (about 84 million), up from 29% (about 59 million) in January 2005.

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I did not lose the argument. Blame the bus service then. If the riders were paying the fares that were charged, why did the bus service cut back? That happens in Toledo, too. Toledo runs a "regional" bus service and everyone in the area is taxed for it, regardless of ridership. And, wouldn't you know it, the overwhelming majority of stops are in downtown Toledo. And, whenever one of the communities starts asking questions if they are getting their money's worth out of the service, they are generally lambasted in the papers. Even when one of the communities starts looking for their own service, they get knocked for opting out of the regional service.

Who are you blaming for the bus service's inability to merit those 100 communities?

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Lucas County essentially has a branch in every 'burb, and several in the city. It would be a rare thing for someone to not be within a few minute's drive to one.

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I did not lose the argument. Blame the bus service then. If the riders were paying the fares that were charged, why did the bus service cut back? That happens in Toledo, too. Toledo runs a "regional" bus service and everyone in the area is taxed for it, regardless of ridership. And, wouldn't you know it, the overwhelming majority of stops are in downtown Toledo. And, whenever one of the communities starts asking questions if they are getting their money's worth out of the service, they are generally lambasted in the papers. Even when one of the communities starts looking for their own service, they get knocked for opting out of the regional service.
Who are you blaming for the bus service's inability to merit those 100 communities?

WTF does blaming the bus service, which ours is a private company, not a publicly owned one, have to do with kids being able to get to the library?
You do this with every discussion.
You twist and turn it on its ear, nit picking and demanding answers to some of the most asinine questions until the original argument is lost.

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Lucas County essentially has a branch in every 'burb, and several in the city. It would be a rare thing for someone to not be within a few minute's drive to one.

Your assumption. One I proved wrong. Case closed.

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It would be a rare thing for someone to not be within a few minute's drive to one.