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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:09:15 AM   
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*agrees with Hibbie and LaT*

a solid relationship should not harbour fear of honesty.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:11:56 AM   
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For the hundredth time, she's not naive and you can't force someone to be into a fetish. There's nothing wrong with being "vanilla". You should have told her before you got married. I will never ever understand this. I was married young too. That didn't stop me from telling my husband absolutely everything about me.

And it sounds like you've already made up your mind that the marriage will end soon anyway.

Tell her. If she says no then you have a few options....ask her for an open marriage, divorce or live happily without it and love your wife. Your choice.

This question here gets asked about 10 times a day. Can we PLEASE make a sticky??

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:15:26 AM   
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Well.....he might. But not as a, get back at me sorta way.

There was a time when a female 'friend' of mine was visiting. Very strikingly beautiful woman. It was before the shrubs along the road were as thick as they are now. A friend of his just happened to be riding by on his bike when she was out in the yard near the road. Apparently she made quite the visual impression on him in her bikini top and short shorts. He just happened to see G.D. that evening and asked who the super hot babe was. Generic Dude told him. Apparently it did end the discussion rather quickly.

G.D. doesn't really 'get' the head space of S&M. Or even the concept of M/s fully. But he does trust me. Which means there is A LOT we don't talk about. Not because it's any big secret or that I am purposely keeping shit from him. But because he doesn't care. Unless it affects him, our happy home, family, or makes me unhappy (and even then, he trusts me to be a responsible adult).......it's not even a give a damn for him.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:17:09 AM   
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please, may I have a clone of him?

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:17:43 AM   
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Yeah, but this DOES affect his life, her life and their family.


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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:21:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

please, may I have a clone of him?



You really wouldn't want one. As much as I am a mega pain in the ass, so is he. We are just really good at putting up with one another.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:23:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

please, may I have a clone of him?



You really wouldn't want one. As much as I am a mega pain in the ass, so is he. We are just really good at putting up with one another.



That is the secret to life, avoiding the mayhem.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:29:17 AM   
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quote:

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Yeah, but this DOES affect his life, her life and their family.




I actually don't see it as a big deal. So the guy gets off on feet.

IF he is a responsible adult....he could theoretically have a blissfully happy marriage and home life, all while keeping his kink his own little secret. Especially if he honestly believes his wife wouldn't know how to cope with it. It happens alllllllllllll the time.

Hell, I know a couple that has been married considerably longer than I. The woman was his piece on the side......until the two women had a sit down. I am about 99% certain that the guy did not give up his wandering ways once he married his mistress. The wife would have you believe that she'd cut his nuts off if he fucked around and that she is 100% sure he hasn't and wouldn't. Based on what I've seen over the years, theirs is not an emotionally and mentally intimate relationship at all. BUT......it is the marriage they both seem to want. Lots of mental slight of hand, lots of denial, lots of pretending. But they have what they created.

Please note: I am not suggesting he should sneak around with anyone else. Just that, if the marriage is working for him on all other levels but this......and he is willing to keep his own counsel about his fantasies.......it really wouldn't be that unusual.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:32:18 AM   
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~fast reply~

I gotta go with the thread on this one. If I didn't trust the woman who sleeps next to me in bed every night to the extent you mistrust your wife then I'd be divorced. Smear campaigns? Seriously? And while I'm at it... how about you and integrity. It IS, after all, your fetish and therefore a part of you. I can totally understand not wanting to spread out your sex life to god and the world but honestly that's a risk that every single person faces the moment they get sexually involved with someone else. It's not like this stuff doesn't happen in the vanilla world. Out of curiosity, how much stock would you place in the appraisal of the sexual performance of a divorced woman regarding her ex-husband? To me such things are worth exactly zero.

Assuming you can get up the cajones and trust levels required to actually discuss this then it sounds like you and she need to talk. You will either find some compromise or you will not. Surely this isn't the first "compromise" area you two have gotten into. Any successful marriage needs to be able to navigate this sort of thing.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 10:58:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

please, may I have a clone of him?



You really wouldn't want one. As much as I am a mega pain in the ass, so is he. We are just really good at putting up with one another.



HAH! I can give references to how much of a PITA I can be as a live in...LOL He sounds like someone I could totally co-habitate with! (for that matter, so do you...)

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 11:27:29 AM   
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There's something kind of odd here. OP, is part of your humiliation kink having nice little thoughts of being humiliated to others? A few little thoughts of the fun of blackmail, maybe? Because, frankly, that's the only way I can imagine someone not trusting their spouse to that degree. Is there a divorce looming or some other reason that the person that YOU FELL IN LOVE WITH has lost their mind? Many people do during divorce, but that's different than the person you live with and love.

I'm really not trying to be harsh on you, but I really don't know why people do this. It seems to Me if a person is kinky, they need to know themselves well enough to know whether they can deal without having kink in their life when they marry a vanilla person. Now, because you misjudged the difference between need and want, you want to change your wife into somebody she isn't. It's classic bait and switch.

Then, on top of that, because she's not changing herself adequately to the degree to play this role that you want her to pretend to be, it's still not good enough. You want your fantasy, rather than the personality she has.

Put yourself in her shoes for a moment. Pretend you are the one who is being required to change. She doesn't want somebody who likes all of these kinks. She wants to be married to a vanilla guy who gives her the kind of sex that SHE wants in the bedroom and wants you to pretend that's who you are. Since it's now her who is selfish enough to want to change you, how do you think you feel when your attempts aren't good enough? No wonder she's second guessing herself and asking you during the kink scenes.

If you want her to get better at it, you have to be heavy on the positive reinforcement. When she's asking if what she is doing is ok, you tell her how overwhelmed you are with what a great job she is doing. (Let's not forget, she's doing it for YOU in the first place.) You tell her the same when you are NOT in your bedroom. On Wednesday, you tell her how hot last Saturday was and you THANK HER for doing it when it's not her thing and tell her how good she is at it. You build her confidence about it and the more you do that, the more she's going to be able to HAVE confidence.

In the meantime, you be grateful that you have a wife who is at least willing to give this stuff a shot. She's doing it to the best of her ability....... For you. That part should matter.




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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/3/2012 4:56:06 PM   
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I'm going to offer this thought up to the thread...... now, I'm not an expert on humiliation junkies but I've known enough that it seems to me that being afraid of his partner knowing and using it against him is part of everything that gets him going. That delicate balance of pretending she doesn't realise what she's doing (she does) and the delicate fear of "what if" and "omg I'm so screwed"--- in two words, "blackmail fetish". And it just isn't the same if he is no longer able to be afraid of her outting him.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 12:17:45 AM   
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Eh.

Tell her-- don't ask. Explain what it is you want, in simple, straightforward, conversational tones. Do not do it in bed. Do it before bed: set the scene. You're going to have to start as basic as, "Yes, honey, this really IS a thing..." You have to let her wrap her head around the idea. Let her laugh. Let her be pissed off that you hid something from her. Let her deal with her insecurities (she will have more than you). Help her, be patient, be kind.

She will tell you if she can do it, or if she can't. You can ask her to allow you to pay someone else to do it for you, if she doesn't want to do it herself. Be prepared to have her freak out a bit.

It's only fair. The risk exists: but the potential win is far superior.

This is a fetish, right? It is not fleeting, and it will not just go away....it will become insidious if you don't find an outlet. So-- your wife gets first right of refusal. Then you must accomodate from there.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 2:46:38 AM   
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Not sure I entirely agree with 'it's only fair'.

Yes he should tell his wife. Yes the idea of him paying to do this should be explored before ending the relationship. But I don't think his wife has an obligation to allow this. At the end of the day, he married her without letting her know he had this big important need he can't do without. 'Only fair' would be letting her know before hand so she was making an informed choice. He didn't do that. By all means explore these things - and it's not such a weird request that I think most women wouldn't indulge to some extent - but I don't think the burden is on wifey here.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 8:48:54 AM   
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Athena, sometimes kinks and fetishes are revealed after a committment is made....that is, maybe even the kinky person didn't realize he had a fetish until after the wedding. We grow, and get to know ourselves. Hard to blame either party, if neither knew beforehand that this would become a defnining element of their sexuality.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 9:13:46 AM   
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From the OP:

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and whilst I've always been into "foot fetish humiliation" well it's not somthing I've been able to tell my wife about


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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 9:25:25 AM   
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This discovery after the fact resonates strongly with me as a burgeoning Dominant. I never knew this side of myself prior.

I dated no one more than 3 months at a time, sometimes overlapping, and then BAM! I found the woman I would marry and after 2 years of courtship and 19 years of marriage, I find myself at the crossroads. I married young and then discovered 5 years into our marriage (and my career) that I could no longer hunch my shoulders and fit in everybody else's little box. My wife & I spent a decade working on discovering MY limits until such time we found she could go no further for me and could not reconcile herself with involving another partner. We have no kids to consider and we are mid-40s now.

I love her more than anyone else in life (family included) and work very hard at our marriage but I cannot deny my nature nor did I know when we married. It's not fair to ask her to renegotiate our marriage and she's unable to grasp that I, too, am an injured party by having to pretend to be someone I am not to fit her image of who I am and what marriage should be. I've wanted her to share this journey with me, openly and lovingly, but we've gone the "don't-ask; don't tell" route and that makes me feel the liar every single time.

On the surface, it seems like we got it 95% figured out, but this 5% is disproportionally compelling. People seem to think there is a choice and they are right. You can choose to ignore your needs and manifest all kinds of unhealthy and dysfunctional behaviors in response or you can embrace yourself and trust those who love you will embrace you for who you are.

It's obvious and the hardest thing in the world to do.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 9:39:13 AM   
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Well that does sound like a tough situation, and I do appreciate there are some hard decisions to be made. But it's not the OP's situation - he said that he has always been into this, so ultimately he chose not to tell her.

It sounds like your wife tried for you. The OP hasn't given his wife that chance yet.

I know that when something is missing it grows in a person's mind to become a big thing. And ultimately it comes down to 'what's the most important'. Everyone has to answer that question for themselves. I know for me, I would go without kink if it meant keeping my husband. I would also be willing to do all kinds of crap I'm NOT into for him. Others decide differently and that's up to them. It must be incredibly sad for you and your wife that you spent a whole decade working on it and couldn't find a compromise.

But the OP isn't there yet. His dilemma is that he doesn't want to tell her - this may not even be an issue.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 9:46:04 AM   
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@Athena

Absolutely understood. OP needs to open up. If you can't trust your partner what the hell are you doing in a relationship, much less a more demanding and intimate relationship that kink/BDSM affords.

Just commenting that Descrite's comments hit my situation on the head. If it were just about kink, I could let it go. When it's about aborted self-discovery, it's a game-changer.

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RE: Telling a partner about humiliation - 10/4/2012 10:15:26 AM   
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quote:

. I've been married for a while now, and whilst I've always been into "foot fetish humiliation" well it's not somthing I've been able to tell my wife about.


Honesty is always the best policy.

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