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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/6/2012 10:50:34 PM   
Calandra


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Should that one vote make a difference, that control that I had in telling him how to cast it has, by extension, provided Me with power over people who didn't agree to give Me any.



This was my original sticking point. I never specified telling a sub/slave to do anything. I used the word influence. I asked how MUCH control... since control happens by degrees.

I understand that you do not feel it is ethical for you to demand that he vote any specific way.

I do believe that if I sit down with my slave husband and discuss with him the various issues and how the candidates stand on them, and we then decide which candidate will likely do more good than harm, we are completely within our rights, morally, ethically and constitutionally.

Lets take one issue for an example: I believe that gays should be allowed to marry. In my opinion, it is not right to prevent two people who love each other and want to form a loving family unit from doing so. My cubby says it differently. He says that gays should have the same opportunity to make each other miserable as straight people do (he has a sharp wit for sure - LOL). Now we are not gay, but we believe that a social injustice is being done. Because we hold this belief, we consider a candidates stand on this issue and we could never vote for a politician who was against gay marriage. We don't just take a self-motivated stand on all issues like some in the thread have. We try to help make the world a better place in as many ways as we can.

I would never tell cubs who to vote for arbitrarily - ever. I would however sit with him, watch debates and stump speeches, research previous actions on the part of each candidate, attend rallies (which, by the way are designed to INFLUENCE votes) and debate issues and strategy with him.

I do know that the trust between he and I is such that, if I was meeting him at the local ballot station and I heard something repugnant about a candidate he and I had decided to vote for, I COULD quickly say, vote for X, I'll explain on the way home and he would do as I asked. If the situation were reversed I would vote the way HE asked as well. There would be a serious talk on the way home about why the change was made, however.

Maybe that clears things up a bit? I think my original issues were that;
1.) I never asked specifically about ordering a person to vote in a certain way.
2.) I took issues with the "shallow" comment because it failed to leave room for other circumstances that were not centered on a Dom taking a power trip.


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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/6/2012 11:02:44 PM   
Alecta


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Calandra, it seems to me that when you are in a dynamic where "you may control what they eat, what they wear, who they spend their time with and how they spend their money", that is a TPE-- As opposed to a 24/7 slave dynamic. But, different strokes and I'm not here to argue that. MY take on it is simply that I feel most people should take the time and pains to understand each other before jumping into any relationship, therefore the political stance of the Master should not come as a shock to the slave/sub or vice-versa and I would expect most reasonable people to pick partners from among those who hold similar views and values and would likely vote in the same direction anyway; whereas if the slave/sub acknowledges that the Master has its trust in all things, it follows that it will take the Master's lead in politics as well anyway.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/6/2012 11:37:46 PM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		I see how you got the impression I was asking within a TPE setting. Dang internet!!! I was proposing different areas where people sometimes exert or accept control. I can see that it appeared that I was including them all in a single relationship possibly.

I was saying that in D/s, those are some areas where a D might exert various levels of influence upon an s.

Since tone and emphasis are not possible in a typed format, I can see where the misunderstanding came in.

It is fascinating how some people respond to the discussion, isn't it?

I remember once asking if Dom/mes felt comfortable assigning their subs to do charitable works, volunteer works, etc. Wow, that one got derailed fast!

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 12:10:15 AM   
Alecta


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quote:

I remember once asking if Dom/mes felt comfortable assigning their subs to do charitable works, volunteer works, etc.


It is slightly unfortunate that this line reminded me of the wank threads posted by several "slaves" of late which turned out fairly amusing if you like prodding dead horses with pointy festive sticks. I am unsure if they survived the mods though.


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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 3:44:21 AM   
Calandra


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Nope, no wanking here. This thread was at least three or more years ago, and anytime I post a thread it is with the intent to begin an actual discussion of the merits of various ideas.



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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 3:46:49 AM   
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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 11:15:27 AM   
Alecta


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Status: offline 		I mean actual other threads that started with some wannabe slave or sub going "would a Mistress ever do xxx with their slave?"

we're not allowed to name names for the purposes of ridicule, apparently, so meh.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 5:07:44 PM   
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For myself, I think giving yourself an extra vote, just because of your snazzy relationship dynamic, is kinda selfish, and I don't know that I could respect that in my own life.


I get my candidates extra votes every year. I volunteer

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 6:21:56 PM   
Moonlightmaddnes


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Status: offline 		No worries for me, we have the same views when it comes to voting. Last time I kept peeking around the curtain and asking who he voted for to see if we got the same, LOL we did.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 6:30:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		In other words you cancel each other, same effect as not voting!!!!

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 6:37:56 PM   
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In other words you cancel each other, same effect as not voting!!!!



Mmmmm, so...? That effect would happen with any two people voting for different candidates, which is why we have our votes tallied - to see what the final count is. Are you suggesting that couples must vote alike in order to make their votes count? What if their neighbor couple go vote 2 votes for the opposite candidate? That would be a "cancellation" in the same manner, right? So should everyone stay home because their votes are cancelled by another?

I'm not really sure what your comment was for, unless it was a joke. Maybe it was and I'm just so tired it didnt' register as you being funny. Sorry if that's the case...

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 7:37:36 PM   
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He doesn't tell me how to vote. We do talk about issues, and feel differently about a good handful of them. He doesn't try to sway my opinion, although I try to sway his lol.

I sometimes joke to him that I'm canceling his vote out, and he grumbles at me.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 7:46:58 PM   
Calandra


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Second time on the thread that you misunderstood what was obvious to others. Are you quite sure that you are doing ok?



I am doing fine, thank you for asking. As I said in a recent post, the internet does not convey tone of voice, etc. so misunderstanding about what is being communicated is common. That is the reason I ask follow up questions. I also openly and sincerely explain when someone misunderstands ME.



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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 9:44:48 PM   
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I have never been in nor would ever be in a relationship with a man that wasn't a liberal, most likely atheist, hopefully progressive, and never ever ever a Republican so it's really a non issue. Besides, I am much more political then he is and it is me that reminds him of all the elections, rallies, meetings, etc. So it's sort of a non issue.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/7/2012 9:49:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Calandra

Dom/mes, you have the ability to control (to a large extent) your sub/slaves lives. You may control what they eat, what they wear, who they spend their time with and how they spend their money. This said, how much control do you exert over their political activities? Do you expect them to vote as you do? Do you engage in discussions on the issues?

sub/slaves, do you WANT your Dominant to have influence over these areas of your life? Why do you answer the way you do?

How does your answer change if you are ambivalent to the candidates? If you are opposed to one or more of the candidates?



1. I disaggree that dom/mes have "the ability to control (to a large extent) your sub/slaves lives." BDSM relationships are all across the spectrum. Many are just about what goes on in the bedroom; not in other elements of the life.
2. As a dom, I would not want to control someone else's vote.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/8/2012 10:49:56 PM   
ursamajour


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Status: offline 		I seek out someone whose social and political views closely align with my own, at least on important issues. It's no different than any other relationship. If I exert any control politically, it would just be to make sure she exercises her civic duty and gets to the polls.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/9/2012 8:45:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 15speed

In other words you cancel each other, same effect as not voting!!!!



OMG! God forbid we should vote for what we think is important....we should be more concerned about making sure someone doesn't cancel our votes out.


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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/9/2012 11:38:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		this is interesting because i am a sub and i have strong political views...this is why it is necessary for me to feel out a prospective Dom...i dont pry and come out and demand they tell me b4...but i can think i spot someone who has the same views as me by just discussing certain topics and seeing how they respond...this sub makes sure a Dom is a good fit b4...that way its never a issue that he is concerned i will vote differently than him.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/9/2012 11:51:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alecta

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Well, I'm neither a woman, nor particularly buxom (thankfully), but I'll bite. Or, as the case might be, hug.

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