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Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 9:12:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking at VMI today he said that we should have a negotiated peace in the Middle East between Isreal and Palestine.

This from the person that told a "secret" audience that the situation there was basically never going to get fixed and we should have give up on it.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 9:45:35 AM   
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Speaking at VMI today he said that we should have a negotiated peace in the Middle East between Isreal and Palestine.

This from the person that told a "secret" audience that the situation there was basically never going to get fixed and we should have give up on it.





Not to excuse Mitt, but have you ever said something privately which you'd never say publicly?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 9:52:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, we all have. When I've done that..you know what? It is what I truly believed. Just as I am sure you've said your "truths" in private as well. Which does he believe more? Private or Public pronouncements........you be the judge

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 10:21:43 AM   
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Yes, we all have. When I've done that..you know what? It is what I truly believed. Just as I am sure you've said your "truths" in private as well. Which does he believe more? Private or Public pronouncements........you be the judge



I'd say, in this instance, both. Admitting to a truth yet continuing to pursue the best outcome are not diametrically opposed. In short, if Mitt decidedly went with what he understands to be the truth (private) he'd say walk away and let em fight it out. Not necessarily a bad thing on the micro, but it's not micro.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 10:43:15 AM   
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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 10:51:41 AM   
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Yes, we all have. When I've done that..you know what? It is what I truly believed. Just as I am sure you've said your "truths" in private as well. Which does he believe more? Private or Public pronouncements........you be the judge



I'd say, in this instance, both. Admitting to a truth yet continuing to pursue the best outcome are not diametrically opposed. In short, if Mitt decidedly went with what he understands to be the truth (private) he'd say walk away and let em fight it out. Not necessarily a bad thing on the micro, but it's not micro.


Thanks for that. As honest an answer as I could expect. So he really doesn't believe most of the things he talks about. He is just doing it to get votes? Would you then agree his soul was on the tape of private comments? Things he holds dear?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 11:10:17 AM   
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'd say, in this instance, both. Admitting to a truth yet continuing to pursue the best outcome are not diametrically opposed. In short, if Mitt decidedly went with what he understands to be the truth (private) he'd say walk away and let em fight it out. Not necessarily a bad thing on the micro, but it's not micro.



But for willard it is all he knows, from the primaries ....FEHRNSTROM: Well, I think you hit a reset button for the fall campaign. Everything changes. It’s almost like an Etch-A-Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and restart all of over again.

from the debate last week....[T]he Republican, the conservative candidate in the primary, is always going to lean right and come back to the center for the general, the opposite for the Democrat,” Gingrey explained. “That’s all you are seeing here. It is very typical. We strong conservatives understand that. There are a lot of undecideds in this country…we want those votes too. So, this is campaign strategy.”

So tell whatever lies you have to to get the fools vote, is the basic GOP train of thought

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 11:44:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Yes, we all have. When I've done that..you know what? It is what I truly believed. Just as I am sure you've said your "truths" in private as well. Which does he believe more? Private or Public pronouncements........you be the judge



I'd say, in this instance, both. Admitting to a truth yet continuing to pursue the best outcome are not diametrically opposed. In short, if Mitt decidedly went with what he understands to be the truth (private) he'd say walk away and let em fight it out. Not necessarily a bad thing on the micro, but it's not micro.


Thanks for that. As honest an answer as I could expect. So he really doesn't believe most of the things he talks about. He is just doing it to get votes? Would you then agree his soul was on the tape of private comments? Things he holds dear?


In Romney's case I think you're looking to deep, past the what is. I think he's actually pretty shallow.

The problem I have with his private tape is that he was speaking to political donors. Not a few friends having a private conversation over coffee. The root of both his private tape and public utterances is political. Thus it's impossible to know what he really believes. His lips were moving.








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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 12:13:53 PM   
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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 12:33:16 PM   
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I've never really understood all this fuss over someone changing their mind as time passes. Obama did it on gay marriage. That was for the better, and I'm annoyed when someone acts like he's committing some great injustice simply because his opinion on a subject was alterred due to his experiences.

Personally, I think we all grow and our opinions can be shaped and re-shaped with the passage of time and experience; it's the blatant lies that men might express to deceive that leaves me to harbor contempt. So it seems we must determine if Romney is improving perspective or flat out lying.

Beyond that when I hear the term flip-flop I tend to turn a deaf ear since it is generally followed by political bloviating, see Sean Hannity.


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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 1:06:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama explained why and how he came to support marriage equality.

Romney was once pro-choice. He's now pro-life. Except he helped his son and daughter-in-law put an "abortion clause" in their contract with the surrogate who is giving birth to their child. She can chose to abort if her health or life is endangered due to the pregnancy/the Romney's can chose to force her to abort if prenatal testing shows the baby would be in any way disabled or deformed. Did I just say Willard is pro-life?? I guess when it comes to every other woman in the country, he is.

The one sure thing about Willard Romney is this: All of his flip flops are for no reason than political gain.

Unlike Obama's marriage equality announcement (which wasn't really a flip flop because he never said he was vehemently against marriage equality). That announcement cost Obama considerable political capitol.


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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 1:20:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		willard basically changes depending on who he is talking to, just look over the GOP primaries earlier, and even they said it about him, why is it any different today

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 1:21:56 PM   
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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 3:49:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good Lord. Politicians will say what the fuck ever they think will get them elected. Period. End of story. That knows no party. That knows no gender. That knows no race. And, a flip flop can only be a flip flop if the original position was "vehemently" held? WTF?!?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 3:56:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mitt simply fails on his Foreign Policies. He says Obama was wrong on the Arab Spring, yet also says he would ensure the Syrian rebels get the arms they need for victory, without a mumour on the "waht if they are anti American. It whould be interesting to hear what republicans on here think of Mitts very hollow Rhetoric.

He says he will build 15 new ships a year, yet wont say how he will fund this, year in year out. He says much, yet explains little. As the saying goes in the UK "Fur coat and no knickers"

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On Syria, he does say that he would ensure the Syrian opposition gets "the arms they need to defeat Assad's tanks, helicopters and fighter jets".


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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 3:58:52 PM   
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Good Lord. Politicians will say what the fuck ever they think will get them elected. Period. End of story. That knows no party. That knows no gender. That knows no race. And, a flip flop can only be a flip flop if the original position was "vehemently" held? WTF?!?


This isnt any old flip flop though. Its one that could drag America into another conflict. I wonder what those at Romneys recent fund raiser in Israel think now.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/8/2012 5:53:30 PM   
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Speaking at VMI today he said that we should have a negotiated peace in the Middle East between Isreal and Palestine.

This from the person that told a "secret" audience that the situation there was basically never going to get fixed and we should have give up on it.




Look at the history DYB...Carter was negotiating....Nixon was negotiating....every President since both started this process have been negotiating...and in that entire time the Palestinians have come in and said "give us this and we'll be just peachy".

Since the 1970's, more leaders of the Middle East have spent more time at Camp David than any other 20 combined countries leadership.

In the late 80's....Israel gave them "this".

Guess who's (STILL) throwing missiles over at Israel (and has been since the transfer of land as well as before)? Guess which countries are sending suicide bombers into commercial areas with vests laden'd with hundreds if not thousands of nails to kill Jews?

Romney was dead on...the Palestinians do NOT want peace...they want control of Israel....not just the Gaza strip....the whole fucking shebang.

And he's dead on again (as has/have been every President since Nixon).

There should be a negotiated peace.

And when it happens....it'll last about 2 - 5 years max.

And then the Palestinians, Hezbollah and others will bomb them again.

History is your friend.

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/9/2012 5:02:24 AM   
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I've never really understood all this fuss over someone changing their mind as time passes. Obama did it on gay marriage. That was for the better, and I'm annoyed when someone acts like he's committing some great injustice simply because his opinion on a subject was alterred due to his experiences.

Personally, I think we all grow and our opinions can be shaped and re-shaped with the passage of time and experience; it's the blatant lies that men might express to deceive that leaves me to harbor contempt. So it seems we must determine if Romney is improving perspective or flat out lying.

Beyond that when I hear the term flip-flop I tend to turn a deaf ear since it is generally followed by political bloviating, see Sean Hannity.



Within less than 6 months? I could agree but it seems sorta like a coincidence and I don't believe in them

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/9/2012 5:04:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Speaking at VMI today he said that we should have a negotiated peace in the Middle East between Isreal and Palestine.

This from the person that told a "secret" audience that the situation there was basically never going to get fixed and we should have give up on it.




Look at the history DYB...Carter was negotiating....Nixon was negotiating....every President since both started this process have been negotiating...and in that entire time the Palestinians have come in and said "give us this and we'll be just peachy".

Since the 1970's, more leaders of the Middle East have spent more time at Camp David than any other 20 combined countries leadership.

In the late 80's....Israel gave them "this".

Guess who's (STILL) throwing missiles over at Israel (and has been since the transfer of land as well as before)? Guess which countries are sending suicide bombers into commercial areas with vests laden'd with hundreds if not thousands of nails to kill Jews?

Romney was dead on...the Palestinians do NOT want peace...they want control of Israel....not just the Gaza strip....the whole fucking shebang.

And he's dead on again (as has/have been every President since Nixon).

There should be a negotiated peace.

And when it happens....it'll last about 2 - 5 years max.

And then the Palestinians, Hezbollah and others will bomb them again.

History is your friend.


Your opinion is great. The point is why is he saying one thing to a group of donors in a private fundraiser and something completely different in public. Which is his true held view?

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RE: Another Romney Flip-Flop - 10/9/2012 9:11:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Speaking at VMI today he said that we should have a negotiated peace in the Middle East between Isreal and Palestine.

This from the person that told a "secret" audience that the situation there was basically never going to get fixed and we should have give up on it.




Look at the history DYB...Carter was negotiating....Nixon was negotiating....every President since both started this process have been negotiating...and in that entire time the Palestinians have come in and said "give us this and we'll be just peachy".

Since the 1970's, more leaders of the Middle East have spent more time at Camp David than any other 20 combined countries leadership.

In the late 80's....Israel gave them "this".

Guess who's (STILL) throwing missiles over at Israel (and has been since the transfer of land as well as before)? Guess which countries are sending suicide bombers into commercial areas with vests laden'd with hundreds if not thousands of nails to kill Jews?

Romney was dead on...the Palestinians do NOT want peace...they want control of Israel....not just the Gaza strip....the whole fucking shebang.

And he's dead on again (as has/have been every President since Nixon).

There should be a negotiated peace.

And when it happens....it'll last about 2 - 5 years max.

And then the Palestinians, Hezbollah and others will bomb them again.

History is your friend.


Your opinion is great. The point is why is he saying one thing to a group of donors in a private fundraiser and something completely different in public. Which is his true held view?


The same reason Obama whispered into (Russia's) Mdyedveds ear about how "after the election, I can be a bit more flexible..."

There are some things you say in private and some you say in public.

It's politics.

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